House Fails To Override Bush Veto Of SCHIP Bill

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

Source: CSPAN, Bloomberg News

Looks like they're about 16 Votes short of the 289 needed.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a9oNTF9mhrTg&refer=home

[aquart]

1. WTF is the matter with those people?

[olddad56]

41. what is wrong with them is that too many are republicans..

The dems didn't have enough votes, so they will take the blame for not getting the job done.

[rockybelt]

127. Blame for not getting the job done

The Dems do bear responsibility for this vote--at least the "leaders" bear responsibility. These "leaders" need to be replaced by people who have backbones and will stand up to 24% and convince the repulsives to vote with the American citizens, not with a potential despot.

[olddad56]

133. how do the demo leaders change a Republicans mind..

That is absurd. You know that they don't have the votes for a 2/3 majority. And you also know the right winged media will play this up as a failure on the part of the demo leaders. It seems that you are already convinced.

[meow2u3]

131. Too many Repubican child abusers

who derive some perverse pleasure seeing the children of the poor and near-poor suffer to the point of death or permanent disability, along with seeing their parents suffer financially at the hands of those who bankroll their campaigns.

Republicans, especially Southern conservatives, have no heart or soul and are only alive because God wants to make an example of them to us as to how not to behave in office.

[Gonnuts]

139. WTF is wrong?

Have any of you seen SICKO?

It's the money, honey! Half the commercials on whatever news program you watch are pharmaceutical companies telling us how sick we are and what drugs we should be telling our doctors to give us.

The system of greed and corruption that is referred to as our government where millionaires that are our so-called representatives tell us that we have to be "self reliant" at the same time they do everything in their power to repress us, all the while receiving the socialized medical care - that we fund - they deny even our children.

Let me clue you in on something. We don't have a government. We have a group of front-men for the multi-mega-international corporations and bankers that call the shots. To think that your vote counts, or who is elected in this current system will change things for the better for us is an illusion. For if we had a truly fair and honest election process we'd have National Health Care for everyone tomorrow just like all the other civilized industrialized countries. We wouldn't be fighting wars. We'd have schools that actually educate. We'd have more jobs, less crime. We'd have bridges that don't collapse, streets that are safe to walk and drive down.

But we don't.

You want change? Stop the money flow. Call for General Strike. If all the members of DU, MoveOn, ThinkProgress, Thomas Paine, and the hundreds of other progressive sights, that would number in the millions just stayed home from work and bought nothing for one day I promise you we'd get our government back tomorrow.

[aquart]

146. Oh, good grief.

What is the total population of this nation? Your "millions" is a thimbleful. And a one-day, one-week strike means nada.

Go wait for the Great Pumpkin.

[davekriss]

147. Welcome to DU, Gonnuts

Good post. But I don't think a 1 day strike would turn this nation around. I think it will take generations to get our nation back again.

[TwilightGardener]

2. oops, delete

[quiet.american]

3. I, for one, am shocked -- sadly, not. n.t

[Occulus]

4. Dammit!

Son of a bitch DAMMIT!!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[TwilightGardener]

5. Yep. There it goes. Oh well. Mr. 24% wins again.

[JFN1]

6. Its all about appearances

There is nothing of substance left in our government...

[tridim]

16. Well yes, if you ignore the 270 House members that did the right thing. nt

[skipos]

7. Very few dems voted against, correct?

Which is a reason that I think the more Dems in congress, the better. Even conservative Dems, if not able to be replaced in a primary, would be better than any Republican they are running against.

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

13. Only 1 Defection I Believe

I didn't see the Final #, but not more than 2-3 at most defected.

[Justitia]

24. TWO "Dems", We need to know who they are. -eom

[tridim]

42. 2 Dems out of the whole is insignificant..

Are we going to use those 2 Dems to bash the entire Democratic party? I sure as fuck hope not.

[Justitia]

Democrats actively working against the party platform & it's goals - absolutely. Fuck them both.

And nowhere did I bash the Dem party as a whole, I am the most partisan Democrat you'll ever run across - I BELIEVE in the ideals of our party, which is why these two poseurs in our midst make me SICK.

[iconoclastic cat]

8. Which Dems voted against it? nt

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

11. Only 1 Dem, don't know who (nt)

[redqueen]

17. God, please don't let it be Kucinich...

I bet it was.

*sigh*

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

20. Why the f would he do that?!?!? (nt)

[redqueen]

22. Cause the bill wasn't perfect...

left out children of legal immigrants.

[BR_Parkway]

70. Same reason he voted against EDNA perhaps?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

25. It was Marshall (D-GA-8) and Taylor (D-MS-4)

[redqueen]

30. Thank you!

I just called Kucinich's office and the guy refused to tell me how he voted.

:wtf:


SO glad he came to his senses on the override... I thought he would... that he'd only voted that way before because he knew the bill was going to pass anyway.

[Highway61]

48. There's a f *cking surprise!

From GA and MS ....why don't they put an R next to their name and get it over with

[RubyDuby in GA]

59. Fucking Jim Marshall

We have been hammering the shit out of him (my parents live in his district) and I live about a mile to two from the district dividing lines.

There has been a huge - I'm talking HUGH!!!!1111 - effort to get him to change his vote.

He is a dick.

[scarface2004]

117. yeah fuck jim marshal!!

piece of shit!!

[Telly Savalas]

150. Who's running against him in the primary?

[flaminbats]

156. Jack Ellis and Robert Nowak..

the link below has more info on Marshall's primary opponents.

http://www.politics1.com/ga.htm

Jack Ellis is the Mayor of Macon, and Robert Nowak is another Democrat who is fed up with this. Marshall wasn't elected to be a carbon copy of the President, but to stand up to this Republican monarchy. voting to override Bush's veto doesn't hurt Marshall politically, so why didn't he do it? maybe he doesn't know anyone who has been bankrupted while fighting Cancer or left broke just trying to buy Insulin so their diabetic child still can eat. He opposes any funding for stem cell research, and supports throwing all these embryos in another landfill.

Jim Marshall had allot of potential, and might of made a great candidate for the U.S. Senate. now he's only made things worse for himself and for those who once supported him!

[Selatius]

153. Fuck Gene Taylor.

My home is on the Mississippi coast, in his district.

[cosmicdot]

143. roll call vote link

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll982.xml

the Democrats not voting

E.B. Johnson - lost her mother, on leave on absence
Carson - out due to a leg infection/rehabilitation

both would have voted Aye

[rodeodance]

9. 273-156 dammm.........and Repugs are Clapping

[TwilightGardener]

10. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure they're over-fucking-joyed.

[Justitia]

21. Their applause is DISGUSTING. -eom

[tridim]

26. Run with it Jon and Keith. nt

[reprobate]

65. NO, most repugs ar not clapping. They know that this will be a huge election issue.

Democrats (at least those who can claim vertebrate status) will use this to beat the bushites over the head with the accusation that they will let children die rather than oppose Bush.

It could be a big factor in the election.

[leftynyc]

72. This will be a big campaign issue

Imagine the ads....pukes spend 600 billion on a war/occupation to free Iraqi's but wont vote to pay for insuring American children. The ads write themselves.

[CBHagman]

114. They're APPLAUDING?

:puke:

Shows what they are...

[Canuckistanian]

137. They're clapping the defeat of their own bill?

How many of those clapping originally voted YES on the bill?

This is bizarro world.

[rodeodance]

12. Official thread # 1 House vote on over-riding Bush veto-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2077664&mesg_id=2077664

[Bluerthanblue]

14. pretty frickin sad-

my son hears about SCHIP on the news, and asks me if he can still go to the Dr.

He's 14-

and this is the only insurance he has.

:(

[The_Casual_Observer]

15. gop is going to have to wear that hair shirt into the next election.

good fucking luck.

[tom_paine]

62. They don't need people to win elections. So it won't matter.

I dso not just mean that in trems of the GOP's rather massive vote suppression operation, much of it using the power of law enforcement like a KKK/Bushie Sheriff covering up a lynching, and teherfore as legal as any of Hitler's much more violent predations.

[The_Casual_Observer]

67. How do you explain things like macacca then?

Allen had it "locked up"

[tom_paine]

94. Oh, it's not that kind of absolutist control. That's Old School Totalitarianism.

The New BushPutinism, as practiced both here and in Russia, does NOT involve that kind of detailed, micromanagable control. If you are looking for overt examples like that, you will have a loooong wait. They have learned their lessons from past Tyrannies. No 99-1% votes here, just the effects as IF it was, the way Bushler with 24% approval, rules as IF he'd had 99% approval.

By the way, how IS that Democratic Victory in 2006 going for us, anyway? We've stopped the war and put an end to warrantless wiretapping, right?

And how about that Gonzales Trial? I mean, what could that moron have been thinking, multiple perjuries, testimony contradicted by the DIRECTOR OF THE FBI himself?!? I mean, how could someone be so brazen to even THINK they could get away with criminality so blatant and evidence so ironclad?

Anyway, I am going to get back to the trial on C-SPAN. :hi:

[Jacobin]

161. Exactly right

Its a theater to make it appear that we are a democratic republic.

[librechik]

18. They changed one mind. (it was 17 noes when passed earlier)

I think they should just shut down the congress and do nothing until 09.

[onenote]

36. nine more Democrats voted for it this time

some of them didn't vote the first time, some voted no. On the repub side, it looks like there actually was one fewer yes vote and 3 more no votes.

[erpowers]

40. My Thinking

That is what I was thinking when it was first announced that the override had failed. I contend they should at least refuse to pass any legislation wanted by Bush.

[goclark]

61. CSPAN "Democrats fail to stop Bush..."

That will continue to be the headline

[Justitia]

19. Repukes Hate Sick Kids, Love War, Death & Destruction

I'm sorry, I know some people won't like this, but I hope these assholes endure a terrible sickness that bankrupts them and denies them care,
JUST LIKE THEY JUST DID TO 10 MILLION CHILDREN.

[Robbien]

23. The reports of the GOP party troubles are greatly exaggerated

The GOP sticks together and gets results they wanted.

Is anyone in the Democratic party even taking notes on how it is done?

[skipos]

27. Hate to interrupt the Dem hatefest, but

Dems stuck together much more than Repubs did on this one.

[Robbien]

31. The operative words being

on this one.

But GOPers didn't have to be entirely in sync on this one. They allowed those who are not in safe districts to cast a vote for the publics best interests. But you can bet they made sure to keep the total vote count in mind when allowing a dissenting vote.

[redqueen]

33. I would think you are right...

those votes were calculated carefully...

[alcibiades_mystery]

105. You forgot the second part: "got the results they wanted"

Sticking together doesn't mean shit if you can't get the results.

Fucking moral victory nonsense.

[BootinUp]

116. Your spoiling many fantasies though. n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

29. Let's have this conversation again in November 2008.

This is how the GOP is going to move into a filibuster-proof minority and out of the White House. This is NOT something we should replicate.

[Robbien]

32. 11% are happy with Congress

how many of the remaining 89% do you think are even going to bother voting. Apathy and discontentment are getting stronger by the day.

[tridim]

46. Apathy and discontentment (of Republicans) is getting stronger by the day

You're doing exactly what the MSM does.. Blurring the issue.

I'm in the 89% who don't approve of Congress as a whole, but I do approve of the 270+ Congressmembers who voted against Bush today. A huge majority BTW.

[Robbien]

69. GOPers do NOT make up 89% of the total population

And Dems gave us NSA warrantless spying for six months and we see now are wetting their pants eager to extend that spying without foreseeable end.

Dems gave us Telecom immunity for that spying, or will any second now.

Dems just gave us SCHIP demise.

YOU may be happy with your Democratic representation, but there has not been one thing that the Democratic Majority has given to the American people except for making that 3% uber rich section very very happy.

[leftynyc]

74. Please don't forget minimum wage hike

It may not mean much to you, but it does to many others. Not that I'm happy with congress, the telecom immunity deal has me swearing like a sailor.

[Robbien]

78. With no one in the government watching to make sure people comply

with regs, how many people do you really think got that increase?

So far at the center at which I volunteer, people are grumbling about when it will ever take effect. No one has seen it.

[leftynyc]

93. Are these people working for cash?

I don't understand how employers can get away with that with the feds/IRS. Why haven't they contacted their local officials/congresspeople/city council, etc...

[Robbien]

95. Yeah right

The local officials/congresspeople/city council will get right on that. You really think many people working for minimum wage have any belief in politicians?

I expect GOPers only allowed (yes allowed) Dems to put the minimum wage increase in the bill because they knew Bush's signing statement would read "Don't worry guys no one has to pay any attention to that nonsense.".

[leftynyc]

159. So you recommend they do nothing?

Just accept it? I ask again, is there some reason they CAN'T speak up (rather than wont). It's hard to get something without fighting for it. It's their right. There are plenty of people in government that truly want to help.

[Dinger]

58. THAT IS IT EXACTLY (nt)

[endarkenment]

28. The house and senate should rerturn an identical bill to Bush's desk.

But no, instead they will cave and give junior-24 whatever he wants.

[Blaze Diem]

34. Well Bush and the GOP Hate these kids too..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3033275BAGHDAD
-----------------------

(IRIN) - Barira Mihran, a 36-year-old mother of three, scavenges every day in other people's dustbins in Baghdad for leftovers on which to feed her children.....

[tom_paine]

35. LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

That's all one can do.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

80% of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika are for this, to be against it is to be a cartoon Scrooge.

But they can do that if they wish. They can do almost any damned thing they want, like Hitler in '37. Give it a few more years and those last few things the next Bush Imperium will be able to do.

And why? Because they know and we know that the support or consent of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika is simplky NOT required in this Empire.

We have no more say than a Chinese Communist Subject in what our monsters do.

Face it. Point of no return was passed long ago, just like with the Arctic melting.

We just deceived ourselves into think it wouldn't come this quick only because we WANTED it so bad.

Reality is intruding in both cases.

[Blaze Diem]

44. My sentiments exactly . Mr tom paine..I have

declared that idea several times, and I am looking at where I might go to live my life away from this failed country before the doors to an exit are closed to me .

[erpowers]

49. You Are Wrong

You are Wrong. The people of this country still have the power. Anyone who is unhappy with this vote should make sure to vote in next years election. The people of this country always have the ablity to rein in our government. All people have to do is vote.

[Blaze Diem]

53. I recall voting in 2000, & in 2004..and I wil of course vote in 2008

regardless what kind of hack-the-vote- program KKKarl Rove has had designed this time around.
I will still vote.

[davekriss]

148. Why didn't you vote in 2002 and 2006?

(I politely ask.)

[Megahurtz]

121. It Is A Fucking Joke, Isn't It?

A joke that never ends. :(
I've given up on this Bullshit, I have no faith in any of these Politicians anymore.

[Vinca]

37. Everyone who voted against this needs to be shown the door.

When the vast majority of the citizens want something and are given the shaft by their so-called representatives, it's time to clean house.

[liberal N proud]

38. REPUBLICANS HATE CHILDREN

Repeat that over and over, don't let it slip past that the republicons killed health care for children in this nation and hate them

[spotbird]

92. Pro life Republican is an oxymoron. nt

[area51]

157. Yes, republinazis hate children.

Their party slogan should be the baby-killers party.

[Scurrilous]

39. House fails to reverse child health veto

<snip>

"House Democrats failed Thursday to override President Bush's veto of their pre-election year effort to expand a popular government health insurance program to cover 10 million children.

The bill had bipartisan support but the 273-156 roll call was 13 votes short of the two-thirds majority supporters needed to enact the bill into law despite Bush's objections. The bill had passed the Senate with a bigger than two-thirds majority.

The State Children's Health Insurance Program now subsidizes health care insurance coverage for about 6 million children at a cost of about $5 billion a year. The vetoed bill would have added 4 million more children, most of them from low-income families, to the program at an added cost of $7 billion annually.

To pay for the increase, the bill would have raised the federal tax on cigarettes from 39 cents to $1.00 a pack.

"This is not about an issue. It's about a value," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., said just before the vote. "For the cost of less than 40 days in Iraq, we can provide SCHIP coverage for 10 million children for one year."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_go_co/children_s_health

[cabral11]

43. why dems always capitulate?

when are they going to stand up and fight for anything? what a f... disgusting bunch this congress is

[yardwork]

45. The Democrats voted to override, with the exception of only TWO.

Every single other Democrat in Congress - except those two - voted to override. So how is this capitulation? The Democrats didn't fail - the REPUBLICANS FAILED.

[cabral11]

104. For once stand up and fight to the bitter end!

My point is they will not dig in! They are incapable of fighting to the end! They get bullied all the time by the rep machine and every time the going get tough they roll down and crawl back...

[harun]

113. Headline should be "Republicans succeed in denying health care

to underprivileged children".

Won't be holding my breath for that headline coming out of the MSM anytime soon.

[tom_paine]

71. The Democrats are NOT to blame for this one. The cartoonishly villainous Bushies ARE!

And you all ARE cartoonishly villainish, can't you see that? Like a Stormtrooper Nazi or Star Wars.

I never in my life though I would ever live to see such things, to see things reduced to good and evil (well, as close as posisble to a fully dichotomous state - look it up, TROLL) and like most DUers, are incredibly saddened and angered by it. That's no way to live, though I am sure you love it, troll.

Nice try, troll, but you are BUSTED! Go play your bullshit games somewhere else.

[cabral11]

106. Prove me wrong!

but the point is the Dems don't have the balls to fight to the end! after losing everything, the only reason why the got elected was to end the war! The keep funding it!
Prove me wrong, show me a democratic party who really believe the children deserve a fight to the bitter end no matter what the cost is...

[alcibiades_mystery]

107. Your words are meaningless

What would "fighting to the bitter end" mean in this case? WTF are you even talking about. They held a vote to override, and voted for it at almost 100%. What further 'fighting" do you suggest?

First, you should have a clue. Then, you can challenge people to "prove you wrong.'

[cabral11]

109. what do you think will happen next?

are they going to do the same thing they did on Irak?

[alcibiades_mystery]

111. First support your own contention

Explain yourself or get off the pot. You made a claim, no use backtracking or changing the subject. Stand up for it or retract it.

[cabral11]

122. No balls!

The Dems have no fuckin Balls!

[Yukari Yakumo]

138. Let's see...

Joined... last week.
Total posts... 5.
All other info... n/a.

...

Enjoy your short stay.

[alcibiades_mystery]

152. Can't prove your point

So you flail away like a child.

Congratulations on embarrassing yourself so badly.

[tom_paine]

154. Typical troll bullshit. n/t

:puke:

[Dark]

168. Consider yourself proven wrong.

Following the House’s failure Thursday to override President Bush’s veto of legislation expanding a children’s health insurance program, Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) vowed to send a similar bill to Bush in two weeks.

Pelosi said at a press conference after the vote that any future legislation reauthorizing the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) would cover 10 million children — the program currently covers 6.6 million. She declined to discuss whether Democrats would make other changes to the bill.

House and Senate Democratic leaders huddled shortly after the vote to confer on how to alter the bill to secure more Republican votes. Democratic aides said they would offer cosmetic changes, making it clearer that the bill does not allow illegal immigrants to be covered and capping the income eligibility level.

Democratic leaders did not mention the $35 billion five-year cost of the program, indicating that they might be willing to settle for less if the program covers 10 million children.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-vows-another-schip-vote-after-gop-sustains-bushs-veto-2007-10-19.html

[leftynyc]

76. Get it straight

The dems did the right thing. The pukes voted to support the chimp at the expense of America's children.

[davekriss]

149. 0.8% of Democrats voted against this bill

Less than 1%. Why would you thus say "why dems always capitulate?" All this proves, since 70% to 80% of Americans polled wanted this expansion of SCHIP, that we have to throw some more Republicans out of our House. The Republicans once again have proven how vile and cold and anti-democratic they are. Throw THOSE bums out!!

[superconnected]

47. How can they support the iraq war but not schip?

And the repukes say dems hate america...

[EV_Ares]

110. How many children have been killed there by Bush's war? eom.

[harun]

129. It is interesting they had to raise the cigarette tax to support the extra

9 billion dollars (or something like that) but we can spend a trillion dollars on Iraq and not raise taxes.

How can we find a trillion dollars to rebuild another country yet can't find a few bux to help poor kids in our own?

[rodeodance]

50. Bush was IN-waiting as 10 min AFTER the vote he delivered a message to the House. House

accepted it. but i did not listen if it was read.

[anachro1]

51. I could have told you this...

But of course!

You don't really think THIS Democratic party would actually DO anything to stop these war criminals?

Democrats seem to have developed a case of "Battered Wife Syndrome."

[Justitia]

57. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Only 2 Dems, the PUKES KILLED THIS. -eom

[Name removed]

63. Deleted message

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[rodeodance]

60. what did you want the House Dems to do?

[leftynyc]

77. Are you drunk or something?

What part of the dems doing the right thing do you not understand? Are you sure you're in the right place?

[rodeodance]

52. REC

[Blaze Diem]

54. Bet they all have great health care.

Bet they all have great health care.

Taxpayers cannot afford healthcare for their children but must pay for healthcare for the Fed Govt????, who just refused to cover the kids of the people who give THEM and THEIR families coverage...???????????!!!!!!!!

Show me the fairness in this picture..Why anarchy has not officially been declared.

[leftynyc]

79. And that, my DU friend, should be

the very first ad on TV about this.

[Blaze Diem]

97. Isn't this completely insane?

I wish it was a TV Ad..maybe Moveon .org could use this to explain the assinine-ization of this stupid Republican policy..

I want to hear the pubbies have a shit-fit over this statement like they did over the Betrayus/Petrayus Ad.
Maybe they can give me some explanation to the absurdity of this all.

I really want to f**king hear them explain this.

I am so sick of all this.

[leftynyc]

124. Actually that's part of Hillary's campaign

Getting average Americans the same health care choices Congress has. I think it's a brilliant argument.

[Blaze Diem]

136. Didn't Kerry offer that up as a campaign promise 2004 too?

It sounds like a great and fair offer. Hillary has talked about universal type health care since Bill was first in Office..when Gingrich shut her up/ claiming it wasn't the place of a first lady to offer policy. Pissed her off then and I believe she's still holding a grudge for Newts demeaning way with Her..LOL Hillary doesn't forget those kind of slights.

Anyway, I would like to hear the pubbies argue against this point, especialy after today.

I would wxpect they're all gonna be laying low when it comes to confronting their constituents at home.
They should be publicly shamed for their decision today.

[leftynyc]

160. I don't remember about Kerry

but I was so pissed after he lost, my mind kinda blocked out the campaign. Given that so many in Congress are financially well off anyway, they can sputter about how they are more deserving than children. The "pro-life" politicians can sputter their explanations - this needs to be hammered home hard.

I agree about Hillary - the woman hasn't forgotten anything. And she will fight back. I haven't really settled on a primary candidate but I think it bodes well that I would have no problem casting a proud vote for any of the dem frontrunners. They are head and shoulders above anyone on the right.

[Blaze Diem]

165. they are more deserving than children. Beautiful, explains it well

The uber-priviledged are more deserving than a child. So they think.

[bluedog]

55. I see 156 houses and offices that should

be protested by the protest groups that claim the Democrats do nothing in the House....camp outside their houses and offices.....

[rodeodance]

56. AP:

Bush veto of child health bill sustained

By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer 5 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - House Democrats were unable Thursday to override President Bush's veto of their pre-election year effort to expand a popular government health insurance program to cover 10 million children.


The bill had bipartisan support but the 273-156 roll call was 13 votes short of the two-thirds that majority supporters needed to enact the bill into law over Bush's objections. The bill had passed the Senate with a veto-proof margin.

The State Children's Health Insurance Program now subsidizes health care insurance coverage for about 6 million children at a cost of about $5 billion a year. The vetoed bill would have added 4 million more children, most of them from low-income families, to the program at an added cost of $7 billion annually.........

The president said his veto gives him a chance to weigh in on the future of the program.

"Sometimes the legislative branch wants to go on without the president, pass pieces of legislation and the president can then use the veto to make sure he's a part of the process," Bush said Wednesday.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_go_co/children_s_health;_ylt=Ar9FZYoLdJgIGIQg0F9VPX6s0NUE

[rodeodance]

64. NTY: House Fails to Override Child Health Bill Veto----13 votes short

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/washington/19healthcnd.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin
House Fails to Override Child Health Bill Veto



By DAVID STOUT and ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 18, 2007

WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 — Supporters of a bill to provide health insurance for 10 million children failed this afternoon, as expected, to muster enough support in the House to override President Bush’s veto.

The vote to override the veto was 273 to 156, or 13 votes short of the necessary two-thirds majority of those present and voting; the bill was originally approved by a 265 to 159 vote on Sept. 25.

The main suspense before today’s vote was over how many Republicans would side against President Bush. Forty-four House Republicans voted for the bill today, compared to 45 on Sept. 25.
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“Each Republican who voted to uphold President Bush’s heartless veto should be embarrassed that he chose to stand in the way of improving the lives of millions of America’s poorest children,” Mr. Reid said. “While we appreciate those who voted to override his veto, there unfortunately remain too many who are all too willing to rubber-stamp President Bush’s shameful policies and succumb to his misinformation campaign.”

[rodeodance]

66. “This legislation will haunt him again and again and again,” Mrs. Pelosi said of the president.

“This legislation will haunt him again and again and again,” Mrs. Pelosi said of the president. “It’s not going away, because the children are not going away.”

[rodeodance]

68. i stick a needle into each of the 13

[tom_paine]

73. It could only hurt him if he were answerable in any way to the people.

He is not. Not in any way that matters.

I think Nancy knows this, too. All 535 of them know it. Bush is Caesar, and if doesn;t get his way, people are going to be hurt (sometimes only career-wise, sometimes I'll bet they actually get hurt).

[sakabatou]

75. Why do republicans hate our children?

[kansasblue]

80. Bush veto of child health bill sustained

Source: Associated Press Writer



By KEVIN FREKING, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - House Democrats were unable Thursday to override President Bush's veto of their pre-election year effort to expand a popular government health insurance program to cover 10 million children.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_go_co/children_s_health

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This sucks!

[NanceGreggs]

81. Another nail in the GOP coffin ...

... deftly hammered into place by their own president.

Welcome to the underside of the bus, GOP.

[Chipper Chat]

86. Yessum. The GOP Bus has seen better days:

[jensmygov]

87. Vote

Anybody have a link to who voted yea or nay? T.I.A.

[dlb]

99. Roll Call on SCHIP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071018/ap_on_go_co/house_rollcall_children_s_health_1

[Mojorabbit]

112. Thanks

I just called Rick Kellers office and gave them an earful. They tried the excuse that it expanded the program to those not in poverty. Ha!

[BearSquirrel2]

167. Don't expect ...

Don't expect GOP debate hosts to ask about their support for this. That would put the Babies, Flags and Puppies party in a difficult spot. Plus, you would expect liberal semi-darling Ron Paul to be the MOST against it!!!

[rocktivity]

82. It sucks for the GOP

Which I hope the Dems will vigorously remind everyone of next November.

:headbang:
rocknation

[Hydra]

83. "Give me more money for war!"

Says Little Boots "If we don't steal their oil, someone else will! Screw the children!"

[KansDem]

84. THAT DOES IT!!! My new bumper sticker...

The Bush Legacy:
No $$$ to help American children
Plenty of $$$ to kill Iraqi children



I don't care who "keys" my car...

[AX10]

85. The GOP is hanging themselves.

Works for me.

[Telly Savalas]

151. This isn't a football game. The kids need the health coverage.

a fuck of a lot more than the Democrats need a 2 point bounce in the polls 13 months before an election.

[rich1107]

88. "...Governments are instituted among Men

, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,..."

[Benhurst]

89. All the countries in the civilized world provide universalhealth care for

their citizens.

BushAmerica won't even provide it for its children.

The World's Only Superpower. Yeah. Sure.

What a pathetic dump.

[madrchsod]

90. my friend from ghana could not believe we did`t

have universal health care because they do...yes ghana has universal healthcare.

[Name removed]

91. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[sakabatou]

96. Yeah, I'm sure she would feel on the winning side

if she were poor. What an ass.

[scarface2004]

119. won?!?!?!? fuck you dana!!

you piece of shit...i hope you get a fat brain tumor tonight and your pus filled skull explodes like the guy in scanners!!!!

[Kool Kitty]

155. What a heartless c*&t.

Sorry, but that is exactly what she is. I wanted to pull her tongue out when she said this. Yeah, Dana-you won. And poor children lost. Selfish bitch. Her quote should be part of someone's campaign commercial. I could slap her smug, snide face. Must be nice, Dana, not to have to work two jobs so your family can eat. (No minimum wage shit work for you, right, sweetie?) Must be nice not to have to sit up and worry about whether you can afford medicine for your sick child, huh, Dana? No worries for you, Dana dear, latest mouthpiece for probably the most corrupt and certainly most morally bankrupt administration we have ever had. Now, run along, Dana-Condi wants you to join her for some shoe-shopping.

[HughBeaumont]

126. What I think about that asshole they couldn't print.

To these people, life is a football game meant to be won or lost. And they'll NEVER admit wrongdoing about ANYthing.

[CBHagman]

98. Just called GOP leader Boehner (202-225-6205).

The shame of the nation: That even a program for people who have trouble affording insurance can't get enough GOP backing. For shame. For shame.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101800095.html?hpid=topnews

But ultimately, the president's demand for a far more limited extension of the existing insurance program held sway with enough Republicans. Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) charged that "S-CHIP stands for Socialized, Clinton-style Hillarycare for illegals and their parents."

"Americans are tired of the rhetoric," said House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio). "They're tired of the political games, and they want us to find a way to work together."

To override Bush's veto, the House needed two thirds of those voting to support the bill. It attracted 273 votes, including 44 Republicans, and was opposed by 156, just two of them Democrats.

[scarface2004]

120. called him what... a fucking asshole!!! good

may larry craig bend him over in the mens room that piece of shit!!!!

[CBHagman]

123. Boehner doesn't deserve that special attention.

I'm sorry, but it's never been clearer what detestable, misanthropic bastards the GOP leadership and the Freepers and all those worthless scribblers at the racist and sophomoric National Review are, and America better take notice. Time to flush the GOP's sanctimony away where it belongs.

And this is the same party that tightened up the bankruptcy laws to make it more difficult to erase debt, including exorbitant medical bills.

On edit: Oh, and that fool Mitt Romney keeps gushing about how we can rely on the market to meet our health care needs. :eyes: Hasn't he noticed things such as denial of coverage and doubling of premiums?

[McCamy Taylor]

100. The GOP just put the nails in their own coffin for next year.

But the children are the ones who are going to pay, and it really, really sucks. Because all these kiss ass Republicans will get high paying jobs with the industries they have been toadying for.

[roguevalley]

101. may all of them rot in hell. children will start dying and be permanently

disabled because of these fuckers. list anywhere?

[CBHagman]

108. Here.

Republicans:

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/1/votes/982/?hpid=topnews

Democrats:


http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/1/votes/982/?hpid=topnews

[lovuian]

102. So the children lose out So sad

Our infant mortality rates went up higher

[Zandor]

103. There's no difference between Democrats and Republicans !!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[BootinUp]

115. This is a good example of why we often waste time bashing dems

Those 2 Dem votes would not have helped. We will have to wait until '09 and help more Dems get elected, and stop bashing em for no good reason!

[SlingBlade]

118. Republican Family Vaules

:puke: Rotten Fkucking Vultures:puke:



:puke: :puke: :puke:ONE AND ALL ! :puke::puke::puke:

[Xenotime]

125. This is so sad. I can't beleive childern are going to go without healtcare

Weeping doesn't even begin to describe what I am feeling

[Mad_Dem_X]

128. Unbe-friggin-lievable. n/t

[Greylyn58]

130. Damn...these people have no souls

The only children they seem to care about are the tiny unborn ones.

After they are born they a friggin on their own.

Bastards!!!!

[Flabbergasted]

132. Link:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/18/washington/19healthcnd.html?ref=us

House Fails to Override Child Health Bill Veto
By DAVID STOUT and ROBERT PEAR
Published: October 18, 2007


WASHINGTON, Oct. 18 — Supporters of a bill to provide health insurance for 10 million children failed this afternoon, as expected, to muster enough support in the House to override President Bush’s veto.

The vote to override the veto was 273 to 156, or 13 votes short of the necessary two-thirds majority of those present and voting; the bill was originally approved by a 265 to 159 vote on Sept. 25.

The main suspense before today’s vote was over how many Republicans would side against President Bush. Forty-four House Republicans voted for the bill today, compared with 45 on Sept. 25.

The White House said President Bush was pleased with today’s result. “As it is clear that this legislation lacks sufficient support to become law, now is the time for Congress to stop playing politics and to join the president in finding common ground to reauthorize this vital program,” said Dana Perino, Mr. Bush’s spokeswoman.

[Ian David]

134. Oh, thank god! Now I won't have to buy my daughter a copy of Mao's Little Red Book!

:sarcasm:

[Ian David]

135. How about we put a tax on in-vitro fertilization to pay for S-CHIP?

Less pesky stemcells that need to become snowflake babies, too.

[Seedersandleechers]

140. Maybe I'm too much of an optimist

but maybe, just maybe this action on the part of the repukes will help get us a democratic president and more democratic legislators. This will not be forever-it can be changed with the right people in place can't it?

[olddad56]

141. I'd bet that all of the republicans who voted against it were pro-life.

I have no problem with a person being either pro life or pro choice, but too many of the pro-life politicans are not pro-children. Like once they are out of the womb, them screw em.

[Yukari Yakumo]

142. The list of Repugs who didn't side with Chimpenfurher

Young (R-AK)
Renzi (R-AZ)
Bono (R-CA)
Shays (R-CT)
Castle (R-DE)
Buchanan (R-FL)
Young (R-FL)
Simpson (R-ID)
Kirk (R-IL)
LaHood (R-IL)
Latham (R-IA)
Moran (R-KS)
Gilchrest (R-MD)
Ehlers (R-MI)
Miller (R-MI)
Upton (R-MI)
Ramstad (R-MN)
Emerson (R-MO)
Rehberg (R-MT)
Porter (R-NV)
Ferguson (R-NJ)
LoBiondo (R-NJ)
Smith (R-NJ)
Wilson (R-NM)
Fossella (R-NY)
McHugh (R-NY)
Walsh (R-NY)
Hobson (R-OH)
LaTourette (R-OH)
Pryce (R-OH)
Regula (R-OH)
Tiberi (R-OH)
Turner (R-OH)
Dent (R-PA)
English (R-PA)
Gerlach (R-PA)
Murphy (R-PA)
Platts (R-PA)
Davis (R-VA)
Wolf (R-VA)
McMorris Rodgers (R-WA)
Reichert (R-WA)
Capito (R-WV)
Petri (R-WI)

[derby378]

144. Those who targeted Graeme Frost and his family must be so proud...

DINO enablers in Congress just enabled those soulless freaks to piss themselves with laughter.

Watch for more death threats to be sent to the Frost home.

[skipos]

163. "Dino enablers?"

Are you talking about the two Democrats who voted against it? It lost by @15 votes, most Repubs voted against it. Explain to me how "DINO enablers in Congress just enabled those soulless freaks to piss themselves with laughter?"

[SKKY]

145. THESE FUCKING PEOPLE ARE PISSING ME OFF!!!

GROW A FUCKING SET!!!! They're turning Bush into the most powerful lame duck president in history. Pathetic. Just pathetic.

[Algorem]

158. Could they have come up with a more boring meaningless name

than s chip?

What the fuck is an s chip?

If you say "s chip" to 73% of Americans, 100% of them start to rapidly fall into a deep slumber,including me.

[HughBeaumont]

162. Have they ever said WHY?

I mean, these are KIDS.

KIDS!!!

This isn't an issue for partisan kibitzing. They're children.

The worst and most unconscionable thing ANYone can do is deprive a child of hope.

I really . . . and I mean REALLY, want to hear their fucked reasoning behind preserving this veto.

This goes beyond enabling the Failure Fuhrer. It's now telling kids to pull themselves up by their bootstraps because wars don't get fought themselves. It's now telling kids that "being SAYFE!!!" and the fear of "little brown boogiemen blowing your small Ohio town up" is more important than their needs and rights.

It's about the unbelievably STUPID 20th century belief of the "creeping Socialist monster". "Socialism doesn't work! . . .. except for . . . things WE support . . ."

That's more important than a child's health, apparently . . . as long as we don't end up like (shudder) EUROPE .. . or (horrors) CANADA! You know, nations that CARE about the needs of their people before their corporations.

Because only in Dumberica do CEOs make over 450 times that of a worker. The closest nation to the US in that category is Venezuela (50x).

http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/executive.html

It's all about the RICH man's needs and wants.

Even at the price of our children's health, apparently.

I want a REASON, assholes.

[Binka]

166. No Shit Hugh Give Me A Reason MotherFuckers

NOW!

[AnneD]

164. When Congress and the President no longer do the will of the People...

it is time for a revolution.