Conservatives launch TV attack ad on Dean (in Iowa)

[stickdog]

Everybody knows Repukes march in lockstep, despite this little piece of Moonie Times disinfo.

Therefore, only one conclusion is possible: Dean is Rove's worst nightmare.

http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040105-103754-1355r.htm

A conservative advocacy group will begin running a TV ad in Iowa against Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean, in a move questioned by some of President Bush's supporters.

The Club for Growth Political Action Committee said the 30-second spot against the former Vermont governor will begin running in Des Moines today — two weeks before the Iowa Democratic caucuses.

In the ad, a farmer says he thinks that "Howard Dean should take his tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading ..." before the farmer's wife then finishes the sentence: "... Hollywood-loving, left-wing freak show back to Vermont, where it belongs."


http://www.clubforgrowth.org/staff.php

Board of Directors

Richard Gilder
Thomas L. Rhodes
Stephen Moore

Membership Director

Lynn Bradshaw

Executive Director

David Keating

Economic Policy Council

Wayne Angell
Pete du Pont
Mallory Factor
George Gilder
Charles Kadlec
Robert Kasten
Lawrence Kudlow
Arthur Laffer
Paul Craig Roberts
Brian Wesbury

Founders Committee

Frank Baxter
Jean Belanger
Brent Bozell
Terry Considine
Harlan Crow
K. Earl Durden
David Hartman
Patricia Herbold
Charles Hilton
William J. Hume
Lawrence Kudlow
Leo Linbeck
Virginia Manheimer
Lisa Nelson
D.C. Searle
Rex Sinquefield
Jackson T. Stephens, Jr.
Alex Van Rensselaer
Richard Weiss
Louis Woodhill

[Gingersnap]

1. Remind me why they are upset that we compare Bush to Hitler?

If they are going to be this nasty--an ad hominem attack--then I think we can put out ads that make valid comparisons between Bush and other fascists in history.

I hope that ad doesn't work...

[Danieljay]

2. I say go for it....

This can only help in my opinion. People will see right through this one.

[paulthompson]

3. Keep in mind...

This doesn't necessarily mean they don't want Dean to win. What it shows to me is that they don't want any Demo to cakewalk through the primaries. A long, bloody primary season where the eventual winner has to spend lots of money and energy is a great boon to Bush any way you slice it.

The logical Machiavellian move is knock down whomever is number one.

Personally I hope that whatever Demo wins the primaries does it fast, so the task of defeating Bush can begin in earnest.

[jeter]

4. nonsense, they don't want Dean

If you want a candidate to run well, do you launch an attack ad?

Did the republicans launch attack ads on Nader in 2000?

Think about it.

[paulthompson]

10. I'm not saying they don't want Dean

They probably are scared of Dean.

But think about this logically. Of course they didn't launch attack ads on Nader in 2000 - the logical move is to split the opposition. So instead of attacking Nader, they actually gave his campaign money in New Mexico and other places.

Divide and conquer is the ancient strategy. It doesn't matter who the top candidate is, if they're frightened of him or chopping at the bit to get at him. Either way, it serves their interests to divide and conquer, which means to prolong the Demo primaries as long as possible.

Luckily, the attack ad is laughibly bad. This is nothing but preaching to the converted.

[stickdog]

8. Paul, tightfisted Repukes don't spend their ill gotten lucre unless

they've got a real dog in the fight.

Remember, you can't judge a Repuke on what he says. But you can usually judge a Repuke on what he does, and you can always judge a Repuke on what he does if it includes taking out his wallet.

Dean is Rove's worst nightmare. Bush's house of cards needs a TLC Dem opponent to have any chance at all. There is no possible way the Boy King can withstand Dean's full frontal assault, and both Rove and his bankrollers know it.

[radfringe]

5. sounds to me like

Bush*'s numbers are in big trouble for them to come out with ads this early

[Dogmudgeon]

6. Gobsmacked!

In the ad, a farmer says he thinks that "Howard Dean should take his tax-hiking, government-expanding, latte-drinking, sushi-eating, Volvo-driving, New York Times-reading ..." before the farmer's wife then finishes the sentence: "... Hollywood-loving, left-wing freak show back to Vermont, where it belongs."

They can't be serious ... can they?

Anybody I've ever met from rural, righteous, Republican America would scornfully laugh at this as the piece of low minstrelsy it is.

It's got to be some kind of mind-altering prion transmitted by Cuban cigars. That's about the only thing I can think of that would account for its base stupidity and cynicism.

--bkl
Prions. And cold weather. And more prions.

[Sideways]

33. BKL It Isn't Prions Or Cigars It Is Just Fucking Fuckwittage

These fuckwittages have no talent or creativity so they try really really hard to be cute the latte and sushi shit just proves my point.

Unfortunately for them they are as cute as a fucking train wreck.

But they still keep trying.:crazy:

[MidwestTransplant]

7. Here's my take

I think they are trying to energize Dean supporters. Think about....these ads aren't going to disuade any Democratic voter and that's who votes in the caucuses.

[stickdog]

9. Once again, you are giving Repukes far too much credit.

They don't do reverse psychology; they merely constantly lie by nature.

There ain't a single B movie-worthy screenwriter among the entire lot of them.

We are talking about the folks who wrote the script for the 2000 election, 9/11 and the Iraq Quagmire.

Reverse plot twists aren't their thing -- especially not when they're spending their ill-gotten lucre.

Finally, if they are trying to energize anybody's supporters it's Clarks.

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/staff.php

Founders Committee

Frank Baxter
Jean Belanger
Brent Bozell
Terry Considine
Harlan Crow
K. Earl Durden
David Hartman
Patricia Herbold
Charles Hilton
William J. Hume
Lawrence Kudlow
Leo Linbeck
Virginia Manheimer
Lisa Nelson
D.C. Searle
Rex Sinquefield
Jackson T. Stephens, Jr.
Alex Van Rensselaer
Richard Weiss
Louis Woodhill

[w13rd0]

12. I don't think it matters how bold you make it...

...they aren't going to catch on unless you spell it out for them, but heck, then you'd probably get locked...

[paulthompson]

13. Jackson Stephens?

I don't know much about him, but here's a page that links him to 9/11 possibly (through sheer geography), BCCI, Mena, Promis, and much more.

http://www.madcowprod.com/index8.html

What's the hard evidence of his wrongdoing though?

[w13rd0]

14. Not necessarily evidence of wrongdoing...

...but just google his name + names of all the candidates for president...

someone might have worked for him recently...

ON EDIT - DISCLAIMER: most of the information drawing conclusions about the connections comes from right-wing hit pieces, so take it with a grain of salt.

[lcordero]

11. He has to find a way to equate them with the worst qualities of

corporate power. He needs to make them look anti-people and anti-worker.

He needs to find a way to equate Club for Growth with Enron.

A lot of people say that smashmouth politics doesn't work but in reality it does. People are very susceptible to symbolism because it's been ingrained to them since the beginning of time.

On edit: make Club for Growth look as "wall street" and "insider" as possible.

[truthisfreedom]

15. in hollywood we have a saying...

any press is good press. 8^) this is an ad FOR howard dean, not against him. thank you conservative idiotas.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

16. "Government expanding"?

"Howard Dean should take his tax-hiking, government-expanding. . . "

Government expanding? Oh yeah, I forgot Bush is all about smaller, less intrusive, government - and about people being able to keep more of their money. I forgot this is bizarRove world.

[Voltaire99]

17. Latte-drinking sushi-eating Hollywood-loving left-wing freak show!

Yo, sister-wife there has got me summed up in just four hyphenated adjectives!

Not that her Jaysus-praisin' patriarchy-serving hate-filled lily-white barnyard ass knows anything. ;-)

[The Zanti Regent]

18. Hollywood Leftist Freak Show?

Wow, Mel Gibson, Bruce Willis and Chucky Heston gonna get pissed off at that!

[MostlyBlackCat2]

31. LOL!

Wiping my latte off the monitor. Thanks for the humor Voltaire!! I needed that! Maybe I'll go for sushi for lunch today.

[sendero]

19. Lots of intelligent ideas..

... in this thread. Trying to discern motivation for these kinds of actions is difficult.

I subscribe to using simplistic analysis, because these are Republicans after all. I think it is as simple as - they are pretty sure, as I am, that Dean has the nomination. Why not start the attack now?

[farmbo]

20. Well they can take their defecit- spendin', Humvee-drivin', cake- eatin'..

...Armani-wearin',Moonie Times-readin',Branson lovin' freak show back to the MIDDLE AGES, where they belong and where they're taking this country if Bush gets a second term.

[truthisfreedom]

24. dog-droppin',codpiece-wearin',drunk-drivin',coke-snortin',pretzel-chokin',

drunk-daughtered, boyfriend-killin', insider-tradin', goat-book-readin', nation-buildin', LYING CHEATING MURDEROUS...

[dusty64]

21. Yeah, I'm not

buying the lie that rethugs want Dean as the nominee. Looks like they're as scared as the Democratic "leadership" ought to be.

[Cassandra]

22. I didn't know they ate sushi

in Vermont.
This is a great ad for all the brain-dead morons in this country.

[stickdog]

23. When was the last time that opposition Dems or Pubs ran attack ads

against a candidate in the OTHER party's primary?

[bemildred]

25. Ex-Governor Davis(D), in California, did that to

Richard Reardon(R) in the last election cycle.

[stickdog]

29. Yep. Was it because he wanted to run against him or against Simon?

Hint: He beat Simon badly despite being about as popular as a needle in the eye.

[bemildred]

30. He wanted Simon.

Reardon had a chance against him.
Simon was fresh meat.
The case is actually very similar, if the Repubs are after
Dean because they prefer one of the others.

[Guaranteed]

26. This isn't hate speech? nt

[worldgonekrazy]

27. Jackson Stephens has links to Clark

Check it out.

He used to be a member of the Stephens Group (Managing Director for Merchant Banking...whatever that is) as a matter of fact and stepped down just before deciding to run for President.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20030929-123112-7749r.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98527,00.html

...and many more

[progressivebydesign]

34. That creeps me out..

You know, I have nothing against Clark. He's not my guy... but I did consider him. Once I read up on him, he just wasn't who I chose to support. I'd support him if he got the Democratic nod. I have no interest in a military man running our country. We are already being run as a military state. I don't want to vote for someone who can make a bed better than I (oh, those military corners!).

But.. there is this little nagging feeling in the pit of my stomach. I keep thinking, wierd as it sounds, that maybe Clark hasn't really sworn off his republican allegiances. What if he was put in place simply to run against Bush, to make sure that Bush won? Yeah.. tin-foil hat, I know. But... sometimes, when I see some of the attacks lobbed by Clark supporters here, they sound pretty damn Lee Atwater/Karl Rove-like. And the thought of mobilizing and infiltrating groups like this to destroy the front-runner against Bush kind of freaks me out. I see no other candidates people acting like this in places like DU. It's almost orchesrated.

Then, I read the info about Jackson Stephens and Clark. I hear of the atrocious activities of this group, and I wonder. Now.. why.. if Clark was REALLY closing in on Dean, why aren't any of these groups going after him???? It's just a freaky feeling I get. I have no doubt that many nice, toughtful democrats support Clark. But.. I still have doubts that all of his supporters are just that.

[Room101]

28. government-expanding?

The hypocrisy is so high my neck hurts from looking at it.

[gasperc]

32. they want to stop their supposed favorite?

what happened to Dean=McGovern?

what buttheads!!!

[bobbyboucher]

35. Dumb as hell advert.

Who do they think they are talking to, Missibamans?