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DuctapeFatwa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:27 AM
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U.S. Army clears Halliburton of overbilling-WSJ
Halliburton Co. (HAL) has been cleared of any wrongdoing in a Kuwait fuel-delivery contract that Pentagon auditors alleged overcharged the U.S. government by more than $100 million, the Wall Street Journal said on Tuesday.

The head of the U.S. Army Corp of Engineers, Lt. Gen. Robert Flowers, said Halliburton's Kellogg Brown & Root unit will not need to provide "any cost and pricing data" relating to a contract to deliver millions of gallons of gasoline from Kuwait to Iraq, the paper said, citing a previously undisclosed Dec. 19 ruling.

http://money.iwon.com/jsp/nw/nwdt_rt_top.jsp?cat=TOPBIZ&src=201&feed=reu§ion=news&news_id=reu-n06200842&date=20040106&alias=/alias/money/cm/nw
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:28 AM
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1. I wonder how much who made on that bit of news... n/t
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:03 AM
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21. where's the Dem. Senators voice? this is BS
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:04 AM
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22. Busy looking for their balls.... nt
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:22 PM
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38. BUMP this article is wrong see my last post below.
I cannot let this become "truth".
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POed_Ex_Repub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:29 AM
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2. Gee, what a surprise...
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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101 Proof Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:32 AM
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3. Go figure...
who didn't see that one coming???
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:45 AM
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24. Rumsfeld telegraphed this weeks ago
The day after the audit came out (maybe it was even the same day it came out), Rumsfeld told the press that there wasn't any overcharging.

Contradicting his own auditors without delay.

So this "news" is hardly a surprise.

--Peter
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:33 AM
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4. GOD DAMMIT!!
FUCKING BULLSHIT.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:38 AM
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5. That's a relief
Glad they won't have to produce any of that pesky "evidence", to back up these claims. What's a few hundred million taxpayers dollars between friends.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:41 AM
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6. what a load off my mind, i tell you. i've been so worried about them!
corporations have suffered so much at the hands of this iron-fisted administration.
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:48 AM
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7. Nothing to see here...keep moving, folks...c'mon keep moving
Nothing to see here...

Haven't you heard? We caught Saddam.

Look at his beard. Look at his teeth.

He gassed his own people, you know.





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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:58 AM
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12. You Forgot The Rape Rooms (n/t)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:50 AM
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8. I think I'm going to rob a bank
and have my mom write a note clearing me from prosecution.

Oops, I forgot I'm not a rich Republican and the Vice President isn't my daddy.
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JasonDeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:00 AM
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9. This is what our brave soldiers are dying for. eom.
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mw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:39 AM
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10. Again, Bushie abuse of the military: now using their good name

They know the military is trusted, so now Bushies are using their good name to clear their own dirty cronies.

Shameless.

When Bush isn't misusing the military, he's killing them in Iraq.
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 02:40 AM
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11. yeh sure..tell it to the welfare mums
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emc Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:10 AM
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13. fees for hauling fuel
As an old trucker, when I read about the rates that Halliburton was getting for hauling fuel it astounded me...

I figured that from Kuwait to Bagdag is I would guess about 750 miles possibly....From what I read the fuel itself costs one Nickle a gallon---also ,they haul 20,000 gallons per load at a rate of 2.64 per gallon------I think that this is a little high (gallonage )since tankers in the states haul on average 8000 gallons. Anyway Ill figure it both ways---20000x2.64=52,800 dollars for hauling one load----here in the states we as truckers would get a dollar a mile----750.00 for the trip---Now naturally this it is risky hauling fuel there, but 50000 per load is a little exorbitant if you ask me---even at 8000 gallons a load it comes to 21000 dollars per load...
Halliburton pays the drivers about 125,000 per year from what I read,so they are cleaning up --at the taxpayers expense. And the army had the nerve to state that the contract is OK and there is no gouging. Get real--------I only wish that I could have made money like this when I was trucking------
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:08 PM
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35. Hi emc!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:37 AM
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14. Wow, that was fast. They solved that one real quick. Ummm,
is the 911 commission still operating? Maybe they could use some lessons from these super geniuses at DOD>
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 03:51 AM
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15. I ..... am ...... speechless ........
I ... I ..... well fuck it n/t
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:33 AM
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16. Didn't Congress call for an investigation?
Auditors said, "low level officials" said no. What's a ripped off citizen to believe?

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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:36 AM
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17. the teflon robbers... when you own the media and the courts...you get away
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 06:38 AM
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18. Man, they had enough time to get the books straight, huh?
So the folks that give the contracts say that Halliburton is doing fine?
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 08:08 AM
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19. Oh boy, this
is sure a surprise.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:00 AM
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20. Well aren't these unique contracts. They can charge whatever they
want and we'll be happy to pay it. I thought Republcans were the conservative business party. Cheney needs to be in jail now.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:08 AM
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23. will not need to provide "any cost and pricing data"
Gee it's nice when you don't have to provide any more information to your auditors.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 09:59 AM
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25. I am a government auditor...
and I have to say this pisses me off no end.

Smells really fishy. There's no way in hell my boss would let our management get away with this crap about providing no "cost or pricing daya". Somebody in the media needs to find out who was responsible for putting together this audit report and lean on them to spill the beans publicly. There are professional standards at stake here and the auditors involved need to be reminded of that.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:04 AM
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27. Wait until I tell my wife
she will flip. She is an internal auditor and there is no way that this not only doesn't pass the smell test but actually sends up red flags. Instead of not providing MORE information any reasonable audit would expand the field.

ridiculous.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:09 AM
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28. Absolutely right
My boss would FLIP OUT if our management tried something like this. When they don't want to provide information that's always the point where you dig your heels in and make them give you WAY more than you originally asked for. (Our management has learned this the hard way.) :evilgrin:
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beawr Donating Member (358 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:00 AM
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26. Well Duh
What makes you think this was ever going to fly? One NEVER embarrases their Republican Boss.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:11 AM
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29. The capture of Saddam came just in time for them to get a handle on it.
Edited on Tue Jan-06-04 10:11 AM by oasis
How terribly convienient.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:26 AM
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30. Yet last week the Pentagon took over the distribution of gas
right?
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missile_bender Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 10:53 AM
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31. Do they plan to give Halliburton back the contract?
if they do, they lie. If they don't they lie. They lie.
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:13 AM
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33. Great Catch!
Rather contradictory. But hey... bush always says to his corporate funders... "It's Your Money".... and it indeed our money more quickly becomes their money for inferior service and gouged prices. Who says that private entities ALWAYS are more efficient.... in theory perhaps... in the days of open greed and corporate feeding at the taxpayers trough... not a chance.

For example - did anyone catch the item a day or two ago that did an analysis of the language on the medicare bill regarding the 'new discount cards'? It seems that while in the overall program (to go into effect in a few years) participants can NOT try to negotiate for lower prices for drugs... those offering the 'discount cards' can... BUT there is NO language that requires those savings to be passed on to consumers... at one point it had been in the legislation but it was stripped. So a company can use the sheer volume of 'discount cards' to negotiate down prices (let's say they push prices down by 20%) and can pass on say 5% (if anything) and keep the 15% profit for themselves. So everytime he touts the 'savings' people will realize - we should document it. And document actual savings when they get reported. And document the inevitable story a few years in the future when we learn the HUGE profits reaped by those (likely cronie of bushes) companies that get the contracts for the cards - and the minimal (if any) savings provided by the cards.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 11:03 AM
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32. Corporate welfare my ass, that's our tax money too
this is a CRIME!
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 01:18 PM
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34. Might as well just give up!
Sit back and wait for America to go broke and the rich to flee the country. Then we can pick up the pieces of what's left of a once great nation and start over again.

The outrages just keep coming day after day after day. I need a drink or maybe some oxycontin.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:12 PM
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36. more here re: contracts, contacts, etc.
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BuckeFushe Donating Member (797 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-06-04 07:12 PM
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37. NOT TRUE DAMN IT, that was EARILEST article on subject
Tue January 6, 2004 11:04 AM ET

http://www.reuters.com/financeNewsArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=PTLWAYKV02T44CRBAEOCFEY?type=businessNews&storyID=4080981

TWO PAGE ARTICLE

"This is not linked to the draft audit and should be looked at as a separate issue," Adkins said when asked to comment on a Wall Street Journal story that said the waiver meant Halliburton had effectively been cleared of allegations of overpricing raised by Pentagon auditors.

Adkins is spoksman for the Pentagon.

THIS IS NOT OVER, no matter how the bought and paid for press wants you to believe.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 09:57 PM
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39. Folks, the Army Core of Engineers are the same corrupt, grafting assholes
who originally rubberstamped Bush's war profiteers.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031231/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/halliburton&cid=542&ncid=716

Halliburton to Lose Iraq Oil Project
Wed Dec 31,10:06 AM ET Add White House - AP Cabinet & State to My Yahoo!

By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Just weeks after Pentagon (news - web sites) auditors said Halliburton may have overcharged taxpayers to import oil to Iraq (news - web sites), the Defense Department is removing the Army Corps of Engineers from its role in supervising the program.

The Defense Energy Support Center, which buys fuel for the military throughout the world, will supervise the shipments and choose new contractors to replace Halliburton, Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites)'s former company. "We're taking over the mission," the center's spokeswoman, Lynette Ebberts, said Tuesday.

Democratic lawmakers have criticized the prices charged the U.S. government by Halliburton's KBR subsidiary, which has been importing refined petroleum products into Iraq under a mission awarded without competitive bids. Cheney headed Halliburton before running for vice president.

Earlier this month, the Defense Department's auditing agency supported the Democrats' allegations, finding the company may have charged up to $61 million too much for delivering gasoline to Iraqi citizens.


More on Core corruption here:

http://www.taxpayer.net/corpswatch/index.htm




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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:37 PM
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40. So now the Army is porking us along with Halliburton?
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 11:43 PM
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41. Has
Anyone thought about following the money?
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