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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 10:59 AM
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GOP's Problems Much Bigger Than Bush
Source: CBS News

Young voters, Hispanics and independents are drifting away from the Republican party, and not even the end of Bush's bumpy tenure will likely help bring them back, the Wall Street Journal reports.

Recent voter surveys, including private polling done by a leading Republican strategist, suggest "Republicans face structural problems that stem from generational, demographic and societal changes and aren't easily overcome without changing fundamental party positions," according to the Journal.

The main reasons for drift include the "Iraq war, conservatives' emphasis on social issues such as gay marriage, abortion and stem-cell research, and a party-led backlash against illegal immigrants that has left many Hispanics and Asian Americans citizens feeling unwelcome," the Journal reports.

Longtime Republican pollster Tony Fabrizio conducted a major survey of his party's voters this year, and compared it to a similar one in 1997. He found his party had gotten much older and more conservative in the last decade.

In the current survey, 17 percent of Republicans are 18 to 34 years old, down from 25 percent in 1997. Republicans 55 and older constitute 41 percent of the party - up from 28 percent a decade ago. By 53 percent to 42 percent, Republicans say the party "has spent too much time focusing on moral issues" rather than economic ones.



Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/05/the_skinny/main3234360.shtml



Faux News has the same problem. Their viewers skew old and are going to die off. Same with listeners of Limpballs and the other RW blowhards.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:09 AM
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1. So much for Rove's "permanent Republican majority"....
With any luck the Bush presidency will result in the opposite.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:54 AM
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6. "permanent Republican majority" = "Thousand-year Reich"
Equally realistic, as it turns out.
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:27 AM
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2. Good Read. K&R (nt)
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:41 AM
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3. I have a hard time accepting
That the generation that protested Vietnam, marched for civil rights, and struggled against social conventions is now the backbone of the Republican party.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:37 PM
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16. I do too, Davhill....but I think the secretly programmed, electronic voting
machines, and a repervlikin penchant for cheating every way to Sunday, have something to do with why they've been able to sell that idea to the American public for so long, through the corporate media.

The truth is, Americans have been a lot more liberal for a lot longer than these idiots care for anyone to know.

:kick:
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 02:18 PM
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49. Americans have been a lot more liberal for a lot longer than these idiots care for anyone to know
And if you count those who have been turned off by the Democratic party's rightward slide, you get an even stronger block of liberals.

They voted in 06, and maybe they will be back in 08, but the DLC is really lessening the chances of that happening. And though they put their fingers in their ears and go 'La La La' when we say it, corporations do not vote.

In 2010, we need to start voting out all the easy money Dems, and get some real help for the working class.

Nancy, Harry, Emmanuel, Steny, this means you.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:55 PM
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17. Radicals do turn conservative
The case of the American novelist John Dos Passos is illustrative. And anyway, the entire generation of 1968 wasn't out doing those things, it was probably a large minority.
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gentlegiant Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:41 PM
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29. Yes, Radicals do turn conservative.
Dennis Miller.

say no more.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:10 PM
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33. Ugh
I'm not actualy persuaded Miller was ever a "radical", much less a progressive. He just liked to be funny and that meant making fun of people. He may have *always* been a complete jerk for all we know.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:31 PM
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34. you forgot David Horowitz who used to pal around with.....
The Black Panthers back in the day, and has now done a total turnabout.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:28 PM
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40. And conservatives turn liberal. See me. Thought I was a conservative Republican
as a young woman.

Now, I'm definitely a liberal Democrat.

Finally I outgrew my conditioning, and now I think differently.

Also,under Reagan, I realized that all the conservative GOP policies would hurt me and people like me and would only help the white, middle-aged men who already controlled everything.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:42 PM
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45. Wonder if that is gender linked?
Was it Gloria Steinem that said men tend to get more conservative with age, and women more liberal?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:25 PM
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55. Rock On, Sharon Ann!
I hope you RECRUIT!!!

:yourock:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:07 PM
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19. To be fair, that generation is also the backbone of the
Democratic party. The boomers were never as monolithic as the media and rose-colored memory would have us believe. The guy who won my school's mock election in 68 was running as George Wallace. The Jesus Freaks ran a coffeehouse right off my college campus. I was in a distinct minority voting for McGovern in 72.

What has always bothered me was that so many people of my generation could be so WRONG.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:30 PM
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22. Most of our generation
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 01:31 PM by ProudDad
did not march, did not struggle and did not participate.

Isn't it amazing what a strong, committed minority can DO???

The repuke right wing and conservative forces in this country still tremble in fear that the 60s ever happen again...that an aware minority could cause that much change for the good in society scares the shit out of them...

But, no, it's not surprising that some older folks afraid of death adhere to the party of death...
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:08 PM
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32. I was thinking the exact same thing Davhill.
I protested Vietnam. I was arrested for marching for Civil Rights. I am part of that generation and I do not know have any peers who vote Republican.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 03:31 PM
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35. That's the older baby boomers and younger members of the Korean War Generation.
It's the younger Boomers and older members of Generation X that that lean to the right.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 02:51 PM
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50. Correct
It's the "hip-to-be-square" and the "greed-is-good types" that lean right. When we shifted from a "we" society to a "me" society, those factions became more prominent.
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satya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:45 AM
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4. Oh the irony -- GOP elephant on the endangered species list. nt
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:48 AM
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5. who are those 17%'ers -- momma's boys and fascist kooks??
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:24 PM
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13. I have a guess as to those 17%
3 major groups that I have met so far:

People benefiting from the conditions the GOP creates

People who support a military based america- "Bringin' freedom round the globe!"

Ardent religious people, or people who support "legislated morality"

Honestly, we would be far better off if these idiots would get exiled to some small desert island where we won't hear them whining about "Those damn liberals!"
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:32 PM
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24. The real trouble is
that this group is "in control" of our society: "People benefiting from the conditions the GOP creates"

The corporate capitalist masters...
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:08 PM
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37. I agree with your breakdown of the groups - my experience is the same.
Some of them overlap. A lot of the folks who believe in legislating "morality" (their version of it, anyway) also support a military-based U.S. Both ideas appeal to authoritarian types.

The people benefiting from the conditions are our big problem. They control the media, the corporations, most of the money, and, apparently, the voting machines.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:21 PM
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39. They are a big problem
But honestly, the people who are benefiting are little weasels.

The other 2 categories provide the muscle of this movement, and as such, I think they should be focused on.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 02:55 PM
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51. And those other two groups
seem to believe that they, too, are benefiting form the GOP. But the reality is that they, like everyone else, are struggling just to stay middle-class, while the corporatists are laughing all the way to the bank.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:18 PM
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54. I know
it's so laughworthy that those two groups think they are "winning" when Bushco is winning. It's even funnier when they think they are winning when their church gains more power.

Bush doesn't care about his supporters- they are the back on whom he steps to reach greater heights, and the people he sacrifices after they give him power.

All of these people, looking forward to the new dark ages.
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tex-wyo-dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:08 PM
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7. "Republicans 55 and older constitute 41 percent of the party - up from 28 percent a decade ago."
I can believe this....it seems that most of the cars that I see on the streets that still have old, faded "W" or Chimp/Darth bumper sticker have drivers that are 60+...kind of like Bill-O's viewership.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:05 PM
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36. "Chimp/Darth bumperstickers...." LOL!
That made my afternoon.
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BrklynLib at work Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:11 PM
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8. It is about damn time those folks woke up and smelled the coffee.
Just how long could they go out and vote against their own best interests??!!

I believe part of their downfall was the incredible arrogance of the Repukes who thought they could do anything they damned pleased and no one would be able to do anything about it.
I hope the sleeping giant does not doze off again....and that more and more people wake up and realize how abused they were by the Repukes.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:34 PM
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25. Just how long could they go out and vote against their own best interests??!!
Well, most have been doing it for over 220 years so far...in the U.S. of A.

It appears the majority here on DU are prepared to do it again ... just to "win" the White House...
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va4wilderness Donating Member (201 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:17 PM
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9. Well this is no surprise.
They're digging their way to six feet under....(i.e. irrelevance).... to all but the Rush Limbaugh crowd. Ha. Ha.
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:19 PM
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10. The real question, and one I would very much like to see answered, is...
Of the younger voters who are leaving the Republican Party, how many are switching to the Democratic Party, and how many have thrown up their hands in disgust at both parties?

Some related questions: Has any similar poll of Democratic voters been conducted, and are the results comparable? What, if anything, is the Democratic Party doing to woo these voters to their side?
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:02 PM
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18. i think the young kids are fed up with the last 8 yrs ..

and are waiting for the democrats to prove they are better. i do know onr thing out of some 15 young adults my daughter knows she is the only one with health care...that is a dam big issue and edwards universal approach is the best offered.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:45 PM
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30. Those musicians...chumming around with Al Gore for the climate protection concerts...
...gotta be a good thing...:thumbsup:
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:20 PM
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11. The Young are not "ours" by default. nt
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Hugin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:22 PM
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12. What? "drifting away from the Republican party"
I didn't think the groups cited were ever in the Republican Party!

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Mrspeeker Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:26 PM
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14. Well doesnt really matter what voters do anymore!
They have proven that the last two elections!
Stupid voting machines
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 12:31 PM
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15. The republican party is mired in bigotry and sociopathy
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 12:32 PM by niceypoo
Basically, they cling to a 19th and early 20th century mindset and mix it with a warped brand of selfishness.

The republican party is run by sociopaths and their base is largely made up of sociopaths or followers of same

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/~mcafee/Bin/sb.html">Profile of the Sociopath

I can only imagine that this is not a very appealing package to a lot of people with a stake in the future
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:11 PM
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20. Don't bother
We admire successful sociopaths. Until we deal with that problem, there's no point in pointing them out.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:36 PM
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26. This might be true, but..............
This all might be true, but, Republican operatives seem to have found a way around this demographic disparity. They have simply skewed the election results. Barring their inability to carry this off in the future we will see more and more corporate influence in the Democratic Party in the coming years. Eventually the Republican Party might, once again, become the party of "the good guys", as in the distant past, i.e. American Civil War era.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:37 PM
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27. In a society bought and paid for by Sociopathy
it's not surprising:

THE PATHOLOGY OF COMMERCE: CASE HISTORIES

To assess the "personality" of the corporate "person," a checklist is employed, using diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and the standard diagnostic tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. The operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": it is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath."

http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm


That's exactly how the corporate capitalist masters want things to be...
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 02:05 PM
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31. Sociopath, thy name is george w. bush*!
Profile of the Sociopath

Glibness and Superficial Charm

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

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Other Related Qualities:

Contemptuous of those who seek to understand them
Does not perceive that anything is wrong with them
Authoritarian
Secretive
Paranoid
Only rarely in difficulty with the law, but seeks out situations where their tyrannical behavior will be tolerated, condoned, or admired
Conventional appearance
Goal of enslavement of their victim(s)
Exercises despotic control over every aspect of the victim's life
Has an emotional need to justify their crimes and therefore needs their victim's affirmation (respect, gratitude and love)
Ultimate goal is the creation of a willing victim
Incapable of real human attachment to another
Unable to feel remorse or guilt
Extreme narcissism and grandiose
May state readily that their goal is to rule the world

(The above traits are based on the psychopathy checklists of H. Cleckley and R. Hare.)


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NOTE: In the 1830's this disorder was called "moral insanity." By 1900 it was changed to "psychopathic personality." More recently it has been termed "antisocial personality disorder" in the DSM-III and DSM-IV. Some critics have complained that, in the attempt to rely only on 'objective' criteria, the DSM has broadened the concept to include too many individuals. The APD category includes people who commit illegal, immoral or self-serving acts for a variety of reasons and are not necessarily psychopaths.


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DSM-IV Definition

Antisocial personality disorder is characterized by a lack of regard for the moral or legal standards in the local culture. There is a marked inability to get along with others or abide by societal rules. Individuals with this disorder are sometimes called psychopaths or sociopaths.

Diagnostic Criteria (DSM-IV)

1. Since the age of fifteen there has been a disregard for and violation of the right's of others, those right's considered normal by the local culture, as indicated by at least three of the following:
A. Repeated acts that could lead to arrest.
B. Conning for pleasure or profit, repeated lying, or the use of aliases.
C. Failure to plan ahead or being impulsive.
D. Repeated assaults on others.
E. Reckless when it comes to their or others safety.
F. Poor work behavior or failure to honor financial obligations.
G. Rationalizing the pain they inflict on others.

2. At least eighteen years in age.

3. Evidence of a Conduct Disorder, with its onset before the age of fifteen.

4. Symptoms not due to another mental disorder.


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Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview (Written by Derek Wood, RN, BSN, PhD Candidate)

Antisocial Personality Disorder results in what is commonly known as a Sociopath. The criteria for this disorder require an ongoing disregard for the rights of others, since the age of 15 years. Some examples of this disregard are reckless disregard for the safety of themselves or others, failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors, deceitfulness such as repeated lying or deceit for personal profit or pleasure, and lack of remorse for actions that hurt other people in any way. Additionally, they must have evidenced a Conduct Disorder before the age of 15 years, and must be at least 18 years old to receive this diagnosis.

People with this disorder appear to be charming at times, and make relationships, but to them, these are relationships in name only. They are ended whenever necessary or when it suits them, and the relationships are without depth or meaning, including marriages. They seem to have an innate ability to find the weakness in people, and are ready to use these weaknesses to their own ends through deceit, manipulation, or intimidation, and gain pleasure from doing so.

They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification. There currently is no form of psychotherapy that works with those with antisocial personality disorder, as those with this disorder have no desire to change themselves, which is a prerequisite. No medication is available either. The only treatment is the prevention of the disorder in the early stages, when a child first begins to show the symptoms of conduct disorder.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 04:20 PM
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38. I think the key here isn't just mere sociopaths and bigots by themselves.
Edited on Wed Sep-05-07 04:24 PM by calimary
It's STINGEY, CHEAPSKATE, SELFISH sociopaths and cheapskates, who either can't or just deliberately WON'T see past their own self-involved little noses.

What always tips the balance, at least I've found, is the "I don't wanna pay taxes!!!" whining, that more often than not trumps everything else. The meme that the reagan people really pounded home the most effectively was that myth of the "welfare queen." Okay, maybe during the 80's, somebody somewhere saw one of these drive up to the unemployment office in a nice, shiny Cadillac. Maybe there's actually one or two hundred or thousand in the system across the country. Why wouldn't there be? After all, look how many of the bad guys game the system themselves, and cheat and cut corners and bend the rules to finagle more than their fair share? What is ALWAYS neglected is any effort to bring balance and perspective to that meme. The actual number of welfare cheats are VASTLY outnumbered by people by the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS by now, who have fallen through the cracks through no fault of their own, and whose needs (either in health care or disability or housing or lousy dead-end job - or lack even thereof) are completely legitimate, and who are dependent on others for help. Nobody EVER points that out. It's always framed in terms of somebody who's a lazy moocher sucking off the system that you worked your whole life and thousands of honest days' work only to have your money taken from you and given to these lazy, good-for-nothing fucks. And it's a myth. A COMPLETE myth. But it was SO easy to sell.

And it was easy to sell because there was this HUGE reservoir of resentment and anger that some extremely shrewd CONservative social observers picked up on and decided to exploit for political gain. I think, especially during the 80's, that resentment was growing to a loud crescendo because it was on the heels of a LOT of social upheaval and leveling of the playing field - which left a lot of people out. It started in the late '70's and '80's because that was a timeframe just on the other side of the huge changes wrought specifically during the '60's and '70's that benefited mainly minorities and women. I remember clearly in my own life, for example, that it was the mid-70's when the FCC made it fearfully clear to TV and radio stations from coast to coast that they better start hiring more women. I once attended a news convention at which Jane Pauley spoke. At the time she was the toast of the "Today" show and had survived much already, and was widely considered as a role model for women and a secondary pioneer (after Barbara Walters, that is - whom she'd replaced). Pauley mentioned that, too, how that FCC decree back in the early-mid '70's made HER career rise possible. I rode in on that same FCC wave. The first SEVERAL jobs I got out of college were because they were specifically looking for a woman - either to do weekend news or to do fill-ins for the men, or they had a man on in the morning and thought a woman would be good for the afternoon. Every job I got when I was first at it was a "first woman in the newsroom" or "first woman on the air" job.

Not to brag about myself necessarily here but to point out that - those jobs I got, and other women coming into the business got, were jobs that previously had been all-male bastions. A bunch of us made local and national headlines because we were such a new and rare phenomenon - the girl in the news room or the female anchor or coanchor. Men ALL OVER THE DIAL were having to move over to make room for a woman, or in many cases to be replaced by a woman. I saw some of the resentment personally. And fairly quickly on THOSE heels came the hiring pressure to move others on the air over - to admit a black broadcaster also. What that translated to, and what that meant, to the previously dominant employee pool was that those jobs now being given to women and to African Americans (and to a lesser extent, at least here in So Cal, to Hispanics), HAD PREVIOUSLY BEEN THE EXCLUSIVE PERVIEW OF MEN. It was always the guys, across the board, who were hired and who filled all the air staff positions. That began to change with the FCC dictates. And there were many men put out of work because management felt it needed to give that job to a woman so they could check that box off at license renewal time and show how broad-minded and community-responsive they were. And the guys had to take it in the shorts so women and minorities had a chance, for a change. And the guys HATED IT. They invariably took it personally and felt aggrieved in the extreme. A HUGE and PROFOUND sense of being personally ripped off, of that unfairness hitting directly home at YOUR house for the sake of some lazy, undeserving, Johnnie-come-lately schmuck to come in out of the blue and cut in ahead of you to the front of the line. Many of them resented those of us who were perceived as "taking THEIR jobs" and some of 'em didn't suffer in silence, either.

Compound that with the added insult-to-injury that it's the damned, blasted GOVERNMENT DICTATING TO YOU (business) THAT YOU WERE FORCED TO COMPLY WITH THIS WHETHER YOU LIKED IT OR NOT.

There was a LOT of resentment. Many men didn't like being forced to share. I guess when you're "raised as an only child," you don't like having to move over all of a sudden and make room for an outsider, much less allow them a seat at the big table next to you when their proper place was always over at the kiddie table. In some cases in broadcasting, at least, that kiddie table still existed. Many of us women and blacks were relegated to the public affairs department while the big marquee jobs with the best exposure and biggest paychecks still went to the men. But in those cases, it meant there actually, finally, WAS a kiddie table where there wasn't even a table before.

I owe my career start to the FCC, and I'm sure several of the jobs I was given would otherwise have just gone to another guy. And I'm not alone BY ANY MEANS. It happened all across the country, in ALL industries and workplaces.

And what that led to was a COLOSSALLY huge reservoir of resentment and anger by those who felt put-upon and ripped-off so the woman or the African American/Hispanic could get a break.

And ronald reagan and his friends, advisors, and cohorts tapped into that. They knew there was gold in them thar ills. And pond scum like rush limbaugh and his many, many clones, gave it a voice.

Typical of 20th Century-mentality republi-CONS: they only get anywhere when they appeal to our baser natures. Back then it was resentment and anger. NOW, it's FEAR on top of that same kind of resentment and anger.

It's only because of horrific events like Hurricane Katrina (and even, to a lesser extent, the bridge collapse in Minneapolis) that even SOME of us are jolted awake from our misconceptions and our embrace of that irrational, knee-jerk anger and resentment and blame-it-on-the-lazy-welfare-queens and smelled the actual coffee - that showed the value, indeed, the NECESSITY for government intervention to level the playing field and help those who cannot help themselves.

But the myopia, the willful refusal to see past your own nose and NOT want to share or help or put yourself out a little or move over so someone else has a place at the table, all those piss-ant feelings down in the bowels of our baser natures - are where the latter-day GOP has nestled in and made itself EXTREMELY comfortable. And fat. And sassy. They've appealed to our lowest selves. And it's worked. At least for a few of them. The rest of 'em, who are only given promises about that proverbial pie that's somehow, someday, magically going to be made "higher," are simply being strung along with empty promises - of a magical, fabulous, Publishers' Clearinghouse champagne payday - that NEVER comes. "Vote for us and you'll get yours, too!" And boy, are they. Straight in the shorts. And still they believe. And still they get played. Someday more of THEM will start waking up, too. Hopefully.

Aw shit - sorry this is so long.
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:30 PM
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21. Concerning Fox audience: not only do they skew old, they skew uneducated and poor.
All of Keith Olberman's viewers together probably earn twice as much and are twice as educated as Fox's viewers combined.

The Fox demographic is simply not a sought after demographic by advertisers.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 03:08 PM
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52. I would include
the "willfully ignorant" in that demographic as well. I've seen otherwise intellegent, educated people who are technophobic and basically lazy, who simply want Daddy to be their government and are willing to give up all of their critical thinking skills (and their rights!) in order to feel "safe".
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srobert Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:31 PM
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23. Regarding Young Voters
I'm in my 40's, but I was imagining that if I were about 21, the only Presidents within living memory would be Bush's or Clinton. Think about how the 90's were, and about how things are now. It would be surprising to me, if anything more than 20% of voters of that age group intended to vote Republican.
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ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 01:38 PM
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28. Very good point (n/t)
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 06:36 PM
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41. There's a simple reason....
why these stats don't comfort me all that much.

The 41% of the Repubs who are over 55 ALL vote.

The "young voters" simply don't... vote, that is.

That... plus electronic voting....

I still ain't happy.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 05:30 PM
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56. Well if nothing else there will be a big "die off" of Rethugs -- just like with the dinosaurs
*crosses fingers*
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bronxiteforever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 07:19 PM
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42. The GOP is at war with people age 18-34
The GOP spent the economic security of the 18 to 34 year olds on wars and tax cuts for the rich, the GOP laughs at any global warming issues because they ,at their age, won't be around for the pain it will cause-it is all about a generation getting it now and screwing their children. The whole social security debate by the GOP is specifically meant to take a defined benefit from the younger generation.

Why would a young person be part of the GOP? What hope does it offer to them? Self interest will drive the young from the GOP-assuming the Dems can offer hope.




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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:20 PM
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43. Is it true Faux has ratings in the tank- I pray so. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-05-07 11:32 PM
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44. It's really shocking to think about the very low caliber of people who are required to serve . . .
neo-con Nazis like Bush --

Gonzales, for one --

Cheney --

and all the other fascists involved --

Meanwhile, it also takes a bunch of really dumb Americans to have bought this Bush crap --

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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 01:42 AM
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46. the gop should disintegrate
it would be good for America and freedom.

the gop party has no right to exist anymore. there are traitors and fools in it.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 07:48 AM
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47. The only demographic that counts is "Voting Machine Owners"
as long as they still lean GOP, the repukes will stay in power.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 11:46 AM
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48. The Pub Masters turn out to be much like Leona Hemsley who just died....greedy obstinate pervies
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-06-07 04:45 PM
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53. Hahahaha....I knew it would come to past.
All of the groups that they targeted to get the votes back in 2000 and 2004 have finally woken up...I'm sorry but I really can't feel sorry for the sheeply sleepy people. Come on people when will people wake up and realize that you just can't let the other people make all of the decisions that affect your life. Foreigners have been telling American's for years that we need to wake up. Working Mon-Fri. 9-5 and living for the weekends is "NO MORE". As I always tell my foreigners who have come to America in search of the "American Dream". There is no "American Dream"...you all are now the new 21st century American Slave's.
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