Abu Ghraib abuse just tip of the iceberg: author

[Barrett808]

Source: AFP

Abu Ghraib abuse just tip of the iceberg: author
by Fanny Carrier

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Those people truely to blame for the degrading treatment of Iraqi prisoners in Baghdad's infamous Abu Ghraib jail remain in the shadows, while such abuses continue unchecked and unseen.

That's the view of American author Tara McKelvey, who sought to uncover the truth behind the 2004 scandal in her book "Monstering: Inside Americas Policy of Secret Interrogations and Torture in the Terror War."

Asked who was really responsible ahead of the trial of the only US military officer charged with tormenting Iraqis at the jail, McKelvey replied: "That's the million dollar question. That's what everyone wants to know."

...

"And I think the sad truth is that these things are still taking place but the difference between now and April-May 2004 is that people aren't taking pictures."

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070819/ts_alt_afp/usiraqmilitarytrial

[Mnemosyne]

1. .

[Solly Mack]

2. ...

k/r

[lovuian]

3. I agree its still taking place

but Abu will forever me a mark on America and Iraq war
just as the prisons for Jews were for Hitler

[saigon68]

4. This is the enduring image of Iraq-Nam

[alfredo]

6. My take on the image

[OwnedByFerrets]

5. Absolute power seems to make people evil.....nt

[reprobate]

11. Machiavelli said it first: Power curropts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

In fact it's quite possible that he was writing about this administration.

[Barrett808]

12. I believe that was Lord Acton: "Great men are almost always bad men"

NUMBER: 1443
AUTHOR: John Emerich Edward Dalberg, Lord Acton (1834–1902)
QUOTATION: Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men, even when they exercise influence and not authority: still more when you superadd the tendency or the certainty of corruption by authority.
ATTRIBUTION: LORD ACTON, letter to Mandell Creighton, April 5, 1887.—Acton, Essays on Freedom and Power, ed. Gertrude Himmelfarb, pp. 335–36 (1972).
SUBJECTS: Power

http://www.bartleby.com/73/1443.html

[reprobate]

13. Thanks for the citation, Barrett. When I posted it I had a feeling the great M was not the author.

[dipsydoodle]

7. If you can watch John Pilger's The War Against Democracy

it will demonstrate graphically that Abu Graib was merely an extension of events in South America from c. 1946 onwards.

This link provides some basic information : http://mediafilter.org/guest/Pages/September.21.1996.23.26.32

And this link lists out affected countries : http://www.serendipity.li/cia/death_squads.htm#El

[0007]

14. Most sheeple know more about Dodo birds than they know of John Pilger

Thanks for the links edwardlindy

[bobthedrummer]

16. More background links

"Recent Politics of Cruelty in Action. Conclusion" excerpted from Kate Millett's 1994 book "The Politics of Cruelty" via ThirdWorldTraveler.com
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Torture/RecentPoliticsCruelty_TPOC.html

"War Psychiatry and Iraq Atrocities: How Killing Becomes a Reflex" by Penny Coleman 8-22-2007 via AlterNet.org
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/60297/

"Wisconsin and some black operations" (posted from an active informative parent thread-discussion of UW-Madison researchers like Harry Harlow, Abraham Maslow, Frank Olson, Louis Jolyon West associated with black ops)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=186x21683#21699

[bobthedrummer]

17. .

[sofa king]

8. They're all responsible. We're all responsible.

They all know what's going on, who's doing it and how. It's exactly like asking who was behind the Phoenix Project. We were behind it. America did it.

We think that pointing our fingers or putting our hands over our ears and singing "la la la" means that we're somehow not responsible for creating the environment which permits such monstrous behavior. We're all responsible for letting the Bush Administration do what it wanted to do. We're all responsible for pretending that secrecy is necessary to conduct the affairs of state.

Above a certain rank, the entire U.S. Army and a hunk of the Navy and Marines knew what was going on, and they're all responsible for not speaking out, and for refusing to obey illegal orders. Below that rank there were thousands of people who talked with the soldiers who circulated in and out of the prisons, who heard rumors, who saw things they shouldn't have seen, and they're also responsible. And all of us read the papers.

And you want to talk about tip of the iceberg? Oh, look, there's another nine bodies that just popped up out of nowhere in Baghdad. You've read a story like that every week for the past four and a half years.

Have you once read a "truckload of dead bodies intercepted in Baghdad story?" Deep down, we all know why that is. It's the rest of the iceberg.

The rest of the iceberg is mass murder, and we're all responsible for that, too.

[Auntie Bush]

10. Speak for yourself! I'm not responsible for a damn thing!

I voted, wrote, said, everything against this administration. That's about all I can do at my age. I have no intentions of going out on the street with a gun and protesting. That's all there is left to do. If someone comes into my home I'll use it.

I get the gist of your post but, don't be so inclusive of everyone.
Certainly ALL those who voted for bush are guilty as hell.

[Kurovski]

9. Kick. (nt)

[bobthedrummer]

15. Not to mention the mercenaries, The Taguba Report documented the systemic

US military policies of the war criminal and profiteer Donald Rumsfeld's DoD.

From FindLaw.com (in it's entirety)
"The Taguba Report"
http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/tagubarpt.html

Then there are the mercenarie$ aka Private Military Companies/PMC'$ that are a growing domestic force here in HOMELAND(tm).

[bobthedrummer]

18. Snuff, torture, ritual abuse, child pornography networks and other denied realities kick