12 U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq attacks

[Olive]

Source: Associated Press

BAGHDAD - A roadside explosion outside the Iraqi capital on Sunday killed six American soldiers and a civilian journalist, the military said, among 12 U.S. troop deaths reported on a day when two car bombs killed at least 44 Iraqis at a Baghdad market and a police headquarters.

A car bomb in the capital, where U.S.-led forces are in the midst of a crackdown on sectarian violence, killed at least 30 Iraqis. At the police headquarters in Samarra, a volatile city in the Sunni heartland 60 miles north of Baghdad, a car bomb and shooting attack killed 12 police — including the police chief.

American soldiers racing to the headquarters to help also came under attack by small arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades that left two soldiers wounded, the military said.



Read more: http://p243.news.mud.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_070503185490;_ylt=A0SOwmTjJT5GE10ArRhX6GMA

[MadMaddie]

1. So is it just me or are we seeing an even greater escalation....

of violence?

[Erika]

3. We are seeing a dramatic increase in deaths

Ours and Iraqis. At www.icasualties.org

[bdamomma]

62. and unfortunately there will be more unless we find a way to

stop this, what do we need a repeat of Vietnam of 58,000??????

[Adsos Letter]

9. I suspect it is as some were saying when the surge started

as we apply increasing pressure within Baghdad, the insurgency attacks areas outside of that zone. It seems like pretty much classic insurgency warfare: strike your opponent in any area he is not focused on. This Russians experienced a bit of this in Chechnya (along with the "stand-up" battles the Chechen forces committed themselves to during the first Chechen war). During the second war there things occurred much more in line with what is happening now in Iraq.

And look at what the Russians had to do to "win" in Chechnya--they pretty much flattened the country, especially the capitol, Grozny, and they still have ambushes, bombings, etc. taking place; albeit, at a much lower level than before. And they did manage to kill many of the top leaders who actually did wield operational control, Basayev, etc.

[Warren Stupidity]

28. In addition there are some other factors.

1) new troops have been rushed to Iraq without proper training, so they are likely to make stupid mistakes.

2) the Petreaus plan is to move our forces out of the big bases and into many small outposts all over Baghdad - (actually all over Iraq but we don't have the strength for that) and that has resulted in more targets to shoot at.

3) current troops are being kept in Iraq for extended tours (i.e. until further notice) and that causes burnout which results in stupid mistakes.

I don't think we could do to Baghdad what the Russians did to Grozny or what we did to Fallujah, at least I hope we cannot do that.

[Name removed]

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[lefador]

37. I highly doubt it...

The Turks would not allow an independent Kurdish state, period. Having a large shia proxy state for Iran is also not something that the Saudis want to do. In any case, most of the blame for that region goes to them Brits who had the incredible wisdom of making up a country of people who hated each other guts. Divide and conquer I guess...

At least for the foreseable future, an independent Kurdistan is a no-no as far as the Turks are concerned. Having a big Shia controlled state under Iran's thumb would negate all the investment the US has made in order to control the Oil flow, which is what this war was all about.

[Adsos Letter]

48. I suspect you are right

I don't think an independent Kurdistan would sit well with the Iranians either, and I am SURE it wouldn't sit well with the Turks, as you pointed out...their military has been pushing their government for action against the PKK inside Iraq for some time now.

I knew the link was questionable; I probably should have made that plainer. Just trying to figure out what Condi is trying to accomplish, specifically, with her latest round of "diplomacy", so called...

[krkaufman]

55. The fact that the described actions wouldn't work is irrelevant to whether ...

... the report is accurate. How much of what Bushco has attempted in Iraq would pass that test? They're making tactical decisions only nowadays, one fix after another as a release valve for building domestic political pressure... whatever it takes to stretch the war out to January 2009, passing the buck to the next President.

[Straight Shooter]

33. Damn straight we're seeing an escalation because bush won't accept a timetable to withdraw.

I have said all along that if we don't set a time to get out, it increases the sense of hopelessness among Iraqis that we will ever get out. Hopelessness leads to desperation, and desperate men commit desperate acts.

I'm just so angry right now I'll quit before I say something I'm not supposed to say in public.

[Screwfly]

52. I think we're seeing

the whole country of Iraq getting ready to flip for one insurgent faction or another. Only a fool in that country would wait until the de facto deadline in September to make up his mind on whether or not they should side with the insurgency or not.

[IndianaGreen]

58. Our surge is more than matched by their surge

One criticism of Petraeus hare-brained plan is that he wasn't using as many troops as he himself had said were needed in his guerrilla warfare manual. Gen. Shinseki's number of 400,000 troops needed at a minimum still stands as true today as it was on the day he told that to Congress.

The surge was doomed to failure before it began. Petraeus is responsible for those men that were killed today, just as he is responsible for everyone killed in his idiotic surge.

[acmavm]

2. Well one thing you can say about the surge, they provide a lot more

American targets for the 'insurgency' to kill, wound, and/or maim.

AND THAT IS ALL IT DOES.

[TwilightGardener]

4. 2 also killed in Afghanistan--a bad day all around.

[Itchinjim]

5. May God Damn George W. Bush.

God.
Damn.
Him.

[Dangerman]

46. God damn Bush...

To the deepest, darkest pits of hell!

[tabasco]

6. The Bush mafia will say this is a sign of progress.

Bush may even do another "looking for WMD in the Oval office" skit to show how much he cares.

RIP, Troops.

[Botany]

7. 12 U.S. Soldiers

:patriot: :patriot:

:patriot: :patriot:

:patriot: :patriot:

:patriot: :patriot:

:patriot: :patriot:

:patriot: :patriot:


:cry:


It was just 6 less than 2 hours ago.

[asjr]

8. And the beat goes on!

[Worst Username Ever]

10. 6 days into May, 25 dead.

And that is just the Americans. Unbelievable.

http://icasualties.org/oif/BY_DOD.aspx

[Gus Gusterson]

13. It really is a gut wrenching disgrace that this guy....

has put salvaging his legacy over the lives of American Soldiers...That is what each day in Iraq has come to represent...

[ClintonTyree]

59. Spot on...

it's all about little Georgie's legacy, isn't it? He started the damned war and there's no way he's going to leave Iraq without complete "victory" (whatever the hell that means). Otherwise he would look "weak". :eyes: But he's more than willing to be seen as petulant, ignorant and uncooperative. I guess in the Bush family those are traits to be admired? :shrug: Just as long as you don't look "weak". :banghead:

Welcome to DU by the way! :hi:

[bdamomma]

63. welcome to DU Gus Gusterson

more blood on our hands everyday that this disgusting Bush cabal stays in power.

[Faygo Kid]

72. Yup, we can use another Swede

By yumpin' yiminy, ya sure, you bet.

I'm tired of dese here United States, I tink I go home to Minnesooota.

[krkaufman]

56. And only those reported.

[Divine Discontent]

11. ya know..

firstly, this is incredibly sad for the fams, I pray for them. and 2ndly, there are times I wish the administration would have nightmares of being covered in blood waking them from their sleep every night for this... they are fully at FAULT for the 3500 or so GI deaths, and the 500,000 or so Iraqi deaths... FULLY. Yes, there would've been sectarian violence if we weren't there at all and yes, Saddam would've tortured people, but to this extent? hardly. The people in Iraq would've been called on to stop him if they wished to. Much like our relatives fought against King George.

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff

[MadMaddie]

12. You noted 3500 deaths...we are approaching 4000 with no end in

site...

This is a tragedy for America....and a tragedy for the real unknown death toll of Iraqi civilians....

[Divine Discontent]

77. that's so depressing maddie... :( I cannot bear to even LOOK at bush anymore

I used to be able to listen to him answer questions, and the state of the union, and yell at his ignorance, now, I cannot even look at him with making my BP go up way too much and becoming unChristian by thinking how much I want to hate him... it's so tragic what he's done to this country... he needs IMPEACHED and if the Dems don't do it, and a 3rd party that's liberal comes up big, I'm in it...

www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- check it out, top '08 stuff

[donkeyotay]

70. I've tried to think of a rational reason for the surge

And I can only think of two. One, is that the oil contracts have to be ratified, and the second is that Smirk gets to posture on cutting and running, so-on and so-forth and be the Commander Guy. As long as the focus is kept on his stupid surge working no one bothers to point out what a colossal failure this president and his stupid war are.

And people die every day for this.

[ORDagnabbit]

14. each day put a congresscritters random family member on the front lines

wonder how fast our pull out from iraq would be?

[babylonsister]

15. They're just commas... RIP, soldiers. nt

[conspirator]

16. Like any other guerrila this one will never end, unless Bush intends to do an ethnic cleasing nt

[Democrats_win]

17. Nothing has been accomplished but the cost is high. Send the stop-loss order.

[Imagevision]

18. Afghanistan soldier kills 2 U.S. troops on Sunday

KABUL, Afghanistan - An Afghan soldier shot and killed two U.S. soldiers and wounded two more plus the 12 that were killed in Iraq today.

[Faygo Kid]

19. Of course, FReepers blame. . .us. Oh, and let's attack Iran, too.

I am sick and tired of this ever-shrinking coterie of Bush worshipers feeding more of our troops into this sausage grinder for the greater glory of George W. Bush. He's a war criminal, and so is the rest of his lying cabal. RIP to the troops and sympathies to the families, none of which are Bush Pioneers or Rangers, I'll bet.

And sympathies to the families of the Iraqi victims, as well. There will never be forgiveness or closure for taking us into this illegal, immoral, dishonest war. Bush and his lying neocon pals changed the world, all right - and have made it an infinitely more dangerous place.

FReeper logic - more of the same, not really worth a visit, but because they are mentioned, you can visit it if you like. They would make reliable camp guards, but they don't have the numbers anymore to sufficiently back a coup and imprison the now over 70 percent who have had it with the worst president in U.S. history: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1829259/posts. Responses to their post about more deaths in Iraq will fall well short of the thousand or so responses to every post about evolution. Idiots.

[krkaufman]

57. Yeah, the bloodthirsty Republicans from that debate the other night were frightful.

They're all ready to start a third front, as the first and second spin further out of control. And all without being asked (by Matthews) how they would support such an action, given that the military is already broken.

[ClintonTyree]

60. Yet it's we Democrats that are to blame.....

for these soldiers deaths. :wtf: What kind of fucked-up logic is that? THEIR pResident sent those people there to be shot at and killed. Democrats are trying to STOP it but that somehow makes it OUR fault? Their solution is to send in MORE troops for cannon fodder but when they get killed it's OUR fault? Again, :wtf:

There wouldn't be a single functioning brain if you combined them all over there, I swear. You can't argue with a sick mind and that's all they have in FReeperville. Sick, ignorant sheep that swallow everything the Coward in Chief tells them. :grr:

[The_Casual_Observer]

20. We're making "Good Progress"!

"Let Freedom Reign!"

[Botany]

22. But we are making progress

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biX0qI1P7B4

We have opened the gates of hell. Our nation's shame is massive ....

First step .... Impeach these unelected crooks.

[cliss]

21. The government is playing Russian Roulette

with the American public.

They know that every time something like this happens, the chorus grows louder to get us out. Especially multiple deaths really make it dramatic, and urgent.

They are gambling on the Americans' tolerance level, at this point. It's a high-stakes gamble where they will keep pushing their agenda, and pray that we will accept it.

Eerily like Viet Nam.

The escalations are the same as that war,also.
We packed our bags and left that place, as well.

[madrchsod]

23. what the fuck

25 in 6 days..over 60 iraqi`s killed today. the congress plays games while our troops die for lies. these people on both sides of the aisle have blood on their hands..i hope they are proud of their vote

[WillyT]

24. Great News, Eh NeoFucks ???

:argh:

[ckramer]

25. The war had already lost when the invasion begun

It's pointless to remain in Iraq. Only more body bags coming back.

[DemSoccerMom]

26. Unfortunately, I fear Bush and his cronies

will cite this violence in Iraq as further "proof" of the unrest there. Doubtless they (read: he) will point to the violence and point like a school child and say, "Oh look, look. I'm right, I'm right. Look how bad Iraq is. Look how bad they need us. If we weren't there, more people would have died. Look. Look at me. LOOK!" (Can't you just visualize little Bushie jumping up and down like a 4-year-old as he says this?)

Regardless of his twisted message, my hearts go out to the soldiers and civilians killed, as well as their respective families. :patriot:

[karlrschneider]

27. Jesus. Have lost that many in one day before except for chopper crashes?

:grr:

[alcibiades_mystery]

29. Yes. Several times

...

[karlrschneider]

31. I couldn't find a breakdown by "per day" but I noticed April 6 04 there were 12

same April date as today. :grr:

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/US_chart.aspx

[Crunchy Frog]

40. Try this link.

http://www.icasualties.org/oif/Days.aspx

[karlrschneider]

44. Thanks, I completely missed that one.

It's been a while since I contributed over there, need to shoot them a few bucks. That must be a darn near fulltime job.

[mvd]

30. RIP to the 12

12 more reasons to start getting out of Iraq!

[StarryNite]

34. Stop the madness

:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[enough already]

35. We need to compromise with the Chimp and keep funding this war

Fucking idiots we elected in Congress....

[karlrschneider]

36. There's a war?

Where?

[xchrom]

38. you don't report the good news!!! -- they were all able to buy rugs cheap at the charming

baghdad outdoor market!!!

[xchrom]

39. you don't report the good news!!! -- they were all able to buy rugs cheap at the charming

baghdad outdoor market!!!

[ngant17]

41. the surge is escalation, pure and simple

and the escalation is becoming more and more like Vietnam again.

[rodeodance]

42. oh my GAWD!!

[rodeodance]

43. The deaths raised to at least 3,373 members of the U.S. military who have died

Roadside bombings proved deadly for U.S. forces on Sunday. One in Diyala province killed six Task Force Lightning soldiers and a journalist accompanying them. Three soldiers were killed in separate roadside bombings — two others on Sunday and one on Friday, the military said.

Two Marines were killed Saturday in combat in Anbar province, a Sunni insurgent stronghold west of Baghdad, the military said, and a soldier died Sunday in a non-combat related incident.

The deaths raised to at least 3,373 members of the U.S. military who have died since the
Iraq war started in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count.

Britain on Sunday said one of its soldiers died of injuries from a Thursday roadside bomb in the southern city of Basra.

[rodeodance]

45. AP: U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,373

U.S. military deaths in Iraq at 3,373

By The Associated Press 1 hour, 18 minutes ago

As of Sunday, May 6, 2007, at least 3,373 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the
Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes seven military civilians. At least 2,738 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.
ADVERTISEMENT

The AP count is 15 higher than the Defense Department's tally, last updated Friday at 10 a.m. EDT.

The British military has reported 148 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 20; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, six;
El Salvador, five; Slovakia, four; Latvia, three; Estonia, Netherlands, Thailand, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, Romania, one death each.

___

The latest deaths reported by the military:AP

.......http://p243.news.mud.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_us_deaths;_ylt=AsNf217ACR.Wcard.bppeiELewgF

[Lone_Star_Dem]

47. Holy crap!

Is this what we have to look forward to for the rest of their surge?

I realize that most here don't have ones they love being used as cannon fodder, but for those of us who do this hits a nerve like a bad dentist with a probe. Actually, it's even worse than that.

[Lint Head]

49. I just heard the promo for NBC news for tomorrow night.

The announcer said, 'When you go to the grocery store what should you choose paper or plastic? The story tomorrow on NBC news.'
As it relates to global warming I can see it but in the scope of things the 12 dead US soldiers should be the story. :dem:

[Doctor_J]

50. Shit. Didn't we just do this last weekend?

Impeach now

[mancandy]

51. Freedom is on the March

:sarcasm:

[Xenotime]

53. We just sent 4000 over there.. that will fix things...

We need to stop occupying thier countyr

[UrbScotty]

54. War is not pro-life.

:-(

[Massachusetts]

61. FUBAR! Where is the MSM coverage?

May OUR TROOPS RIP.

Impeach or discard gw bu$hit and dickless cheney, they don't function correctly and there isn't any warranty.

[IndianaGreen]

66. MSNBC is discussing Paris Hilton's jail sentence and her appeal

The media that sold us the Iraq War has little stomach to cover the disaster they helped create.

[Roland99]

64. That just doubled the toll for the week.

:(

It's a good thing we went in to liberate the Iraqis ... oil.

[bdamomma]

65. and this murderous man is having a state dinner with the Queen.

he is shameless beyond words.

[happygoluckytoyou]

67. BUSH AND CONDI HAVE A FEW WORDS FOR YOU COWARDS

in a related story, the bush administration has determined that unless it is proven that the bullet involved is expressly associated with evidense that the shooter was born in iraq and has a valid iraq id and passport, THAT THE DEATH WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST HIS SURGE

car bombs will not count unless it is proven that a FORD PINTO was not involved

condi rice added that "violence" and "violins" sound similar, so we cannot be certain WHAT exactly has been reported, in a quote from ms rice at the shoe store "an increase in violins could easily be referring to the reorganization of the Baghdad national orchastra, and a return to the classics for the people of this great civilization--- more CAR BOMBS, aren't we all made of CARBON? perhaps the scientists of Iraq have discovered something? It is the gay, cut-and-run pinko democrats who are rushing-to-judgment, just like they did with OJ"

[ihelpu2see]

68. and not one mention on the largest AM station in CT I guess our brave

soldiers dying is not news. Especially when 90+% of your programming (wtic 1080 ) is neoCon based and Bush's approval is at a all time low 28%....

[Semi_subversive]

69. These posts scare the shit out of me

My semi-adopted son, Brandon, called from Kuwait to wish me a happy birthday on the 13th. He said he'd be there another two weeks and then head to Al Taji, about 25 miles from Baghdad. He's in one of the POS Strykers. I don't know what I'll do if anything happens to him. He was supposed to get out in December of this year, but the bastards extended him a year. I hope and pray he makes it back to enjoy life with his new bride and their 9 week old son. At least he got to be there for the birth and bonding.

[Faygo Kid]

73. Bless you and Brandon, and keep a good thought. He'll return.

We are here to do all we can to end this insane war and bring all the Brandons home safe and sound to raise their families and enjoy the long lives of peace they deserve.

[annabanana]

74. Dear Semi. .

(In case you don't notice to check your mail, go here: )

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x841990

[NJCher]

71. at work all day

But had the radio on, had the TV on here and there. And not once did I see this. I had to come to DU to find out 12 soldiers died.

I just cannot believe our Congress failed to shut off the war funding and end this debacle. I guess being called "unpatriotic" and fear of the republican slime machine is more important than lives.



Cher

[saigon68]

75. "Bring em on" shouted the AWOL CHIMPANZEE

[EFerrari]

76. NANCY, did you see this?

[newspeak]

78. I'm concerned that this inept administration

piece by piece is breaking our infrastructure--looking at the devastation in Kansas-the Katrina destruction and *'s on going war hard on-how much can our infrastructure take? To me, the National Guard's priority is to protect and bolster our infrastructure-where are the soldiers, where are the vehicles and equipment? * was in the NG apparently to stay home, away from the fighting in Vietnam--does he have some kind of vendetta against the NG-why were they some of the first ones to go to Iraq? The Treasury is being stripped one piece at a time--I'm not willing to become a "Banana Republic" so that those who believe in their fairytale of a "New World Order" (basically corporate rule) attempts to takeover by breaking us!!!!!

My daughter and her SO are in the military, and as she says, "to protect and defend the Constitution." What happens when it no longer exists--just another "Banana Republic."

Every time I see or hear of more soldiers dead, see their faces (mostly young faces), it just makes me want to weep-when I see the devastation in Iraq-those who have died, especially the children, I die inside. I've spoke with two people so far that basically just shrugged their shoulders about the death and destruction, and blithely stated that "that's war." If it's such an inconsequential thing to them, then maybe they wouldn't mind going over and participate in the grand adventure. Have they no shame, have they no conscience? Studs Terkel once stated that he had faith in the American people--when I see and hear such sociopathic apathy, sometimes I wonder.:cry: