For Mrs. Clinton, Listening Subsides and Talk Is Louder [NYT]

[truthisfreedom]

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/23/nyregion/23HILL.html?ex=1072760400&en=6123f6c3cf6b2118&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
For Mrs. Clinton, Listening Subsides and Talk Is Louder


By RAYMOND HERNANDEZ

Published: December 23, 2003

Hillary from Westchester was on the line, and she was upset.

"Literally, I have been accused of everything from murder on down," the first-time caller complained. "And it's hurtful and personally distressing when it first happens. But when it continues . . ."

Hillary was Hillary Rodham Clinton, the junior United States senator from New York, who surprised Brian Lehrer by unexpectedly phoning his call-in show on WNYC radio in New York this month to respond to a sensational charge that a listener had made about her and her husband.

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Relentlessly and ubiquitously, Mrs. Clinton is out there, pounding away at Republicans, responding to her critics, staking out distinct positions on everything from Afghanistan and Iraq (she is a hawk) to terror money and unemployment insurance benefits (she wants more). By design or not, in the last few months she has been showing a feisty side that her critics long suspected was there but that her advisers say she has been reluctant to display.

"She's just much more comfortable," said Harold M. Ickes, a longtime friend and adviser who acknowledged that Mrs. Clinton was "gun-shy" at first, largely because of her turbulent days in the White House. "She's much more sure afoot," he said.

In the last several weeks, it has been all Mrs. Clinton almost all the time. She has made a string of high-profile appearances — visiting troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, giving back-to-back interviews on the Sunday morning political programs and delivering speeches to prominent foreign policy experts in Manhattan.
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[Ernesto]

1. Go girl Go

[alfredo]

2. give them hell Hillary.

[PartyPooper]

3. "Mrs. Clinton" called in?

Why wasn't the headline: "Senator Clinton"...?

In any case, good for Hillary! I hope she pummeled the other caller's stupid ass.

:toast:

I don't listen to call-in radio, so I have no idea what WNYC is all about. Are they "librul" or right wing?

[mourningdove92]

5. You beat me to it Partypooper,

this is the second article from the NYT, where the headline will read "Mrs Clinton", instead of Senator Clinton......that really bugs me. A not so subtle way to try to "lower" her, by neglecting to use her LEGAL title (unlike the buffoon who currently parades around with President in front of his name)
:grr:

[bain_sidhe]

6. And in the whole article, not ONCE

was she referred to as "Senator Clinton" the writer used "Mrs. Clinton" for the entire article. Yeah, "not so subtle" like an atom bomb is "not so subtle."

[PinkTiger]

9. The problem is Time's stylebook, not bias.

The NYT uses "courtesy" titles, unlike the AP, which does not. Meaning, that in an AP story, she would be "Clinton" after the first reference. The NYT uses "Mr. Bush" and "Mr. Clinton" when referring to the current pResident and the former President; so style dictates that it use "Mrs. Clinton" after the first reference, which uses "Senator."
It is not a slur. It is the style. Go back and read the article. After she is identified as the junior Senator from New York, she is referred to as "Mrs. Clinton."
This is a problem caused by the NYT's use of courtesy titles. People who don't understand the stylebook make assumptions.

[bain_sidhe]

15. It's still bias

In that they use "Mrs." rather than "Ms."

But, true, it's not the bias I was assuming it was, so I still stan... er, sit corrected. Thanks for setting me straight!

[WildThang]

4. I really want to read her book

She has had to suffer much more than many public figures. Hopefully she will just keep getting stronger.

Has anyone here read her book?

[PaDUer]

7. They're attacking Hillary because...

she's a threat to them and they scared shitless that she's going to beat the hell out of them all the way back to the White House as President Hillary Cliton.

[Cooley Hurd]

8. Ha ha! This is supposed to be a negative piece on her...

...to bolster the freeper notion that the Clintons "crave the spotlight." Yet, after reading it, I admire her even more!

Nice try, Ray...

[Voltaire99]

10. I'm sick of Hillary's pro-war stance

Which has cost her any support she ever had from me.

If she thinks this display of unprincipled bloodthirstiness will win over those who villify her, she's wrong. They'll always hate her.

And if she truly believes that this war is proper, then sadly, she's become part of the problem.

[oasis]

11. Hillary will be senate majority leader before the decade is over.

[DennisReveni]

14. I don't think so.

She hasn't really done anything for NY. Yes, her name is on a lot of bills. But that is more for personal gain than to aid her constituents.
She will have a very hard campaign in 2006 if Rudy runs. As I undrestand it Rudy is out polling her now.
If her and Bill had not been such DINO's they could have left a real legacy. Now due to her pandering to the right all her dreams of the presidency may crumble.
Leaving her nothing but a footnote in History as the first first lady elected to office.

[Manix]

12. I'd like to see her kick Junior's ass!!!!

nt

[DennisReveni]

13. Hillary is a DINO

http://www.dsausa.org/lowwage/Documents/TANF.html
"Unfortunately, a cadre of "moderate Democrats" affiliated with the Democratic Leadership Council, including Senators Hillary Clinton and Joe Lieberman, has joined the President. They have embraced the higher work requirements and seem unwilling to seriously address the problem of poverty. Some of these Democrats have gone so far right on welfare that a number of Republican Senators, including Olympia Snowe and Orrin Hatch, have actually found themselves significantly to the left of the DLC Democrats."
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0605-07.htm
"But no one is going to confuse Hillary Clinton, who has cozied up to the conservative, corporation-funded Democratic Leadership Council, with a progressive reformer. She remains the conventional inside-the-Beltway pol who angrily shouted, "Russ, live in the real world," after U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, D-Wis., tried to explain why Democrats should embrace campaign finance reforms he had proposed.
Hillary Clinton's determination to remain in the cautious, unquestioning center was very much on display last fall, when the Bush administration came to Congress seeking a blank check to wage an unnecessary and unjustified war with Iraq. While other senators expressed concern over the failure of the Bush administration to make a credible case that Iraq posed a serious threat, Clinton bought the White House line.
"I will take the president at his word that he will try hard to pass a U.N. resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible," she declared.
Twenty-three more skeptical senators chose not to take the president at his word. Among them were Bob Graham, D-Fla., who then chaired the Senate Intelligence Committee, and Carl Levin, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the Senate Armed Services Committee. While Clinton was praising the president's pronouncements, the skeptics voted "no.""
http://in.news.yahoo.com/031109/139/2992v.html
Washington, Nov 9 (ANI): Susan Sarandon has launched a vitriolic attack on Senator Hillary Clinton, insisting she feels nothing but contempt for the Ivy League lawyer.
According to a report in website Rate The Music, Sarandon has slammed Clinton's political performance and claimed that she "blew" her chance of success.
"Hate her! The only thing she's going to be remembered for is standing by her man, and that is really sad. She had a shot, and she really blew it. She turned out to be just another politician, which was really disappointing. I also think she lost a lot of support. I know a lot of people who write very large cheques who have told her, 'That's it for us, don't come back.'," she said.

She voted for the war, and was part of that disgusting silent vote for the 87.5 billion dollars. After her recent trip to Afghanistan she proudly proclaimed US success there. Unfortunately the news from that country is the exact opposite.
Hillary is part of the problem, not part of the solution.

[roguevalley]

16. Hillary has to survive re-election. Some dink said on the news that

Rudy Guliani might run against her.

[joncofey1]

17. SHe's Dreamy

I Love her ankles. I want to read her book but unfortunately
my Village needed an Idiot and dayz dun picked me.

[are_we_united_yet]

18. Even though she supported the war

I'm still in her corner.