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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:40 PM
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Russia threatening new cold war
Source: The Guardian

Luke Harding in Moscow
Wednesday April 11, 2007

Russia is preparing its own military response to the US's controversial plans to build a new missile defence system in eastern Europe, according to Kremlin officials, in a move likely to increase fears of a cold war-style arms race. The Kremlin is considering active counter-measures in response to Washington's decision to base interceptor missiles and radar installations in Poland and the Czech Republic, a move Russia says will change "the world's strategic stability".

. . .

The Bush administration says the bases are designed to shoot down rogue missiles fired by Iran or North Korea. Its proposed system would be helpless against Russia's vast nuclear arsenal, it says. But this claim has been greeted with widespread incredulity, not just in Russia but also among some of the US's nervous Nato allies. They include Germany, where the Social Democrat leader, Kurt Beck, warned last month that the US and Russia were on the brink of another arms race "on European soil".

. . .

The threat of a new arms race comes at a time when relations between Russia and the US are at their worst for a decade. In February Mr Putin accused the Bush administration during a speech in Munich of seeking a "world of one master, one sovereign". On Friday Russia's duma, or lower house or parliament, warned that the US's plans could ignite a second cold war. "Such decisions, which are useless in terms of preventing potential or imaginary threats from countries of the middle and far-east, are already bringing about a new split in Europe and unleashing another arms race," the declaration - passed unanimously by Russian MPs - said.

Analysts said there was a common feeling in Russia that the US had reneged on an agreement after the collapse of the Soviet Union to abandon cold war politics. "Cold war thinking has prevailed, especially on the western side," Yevgeny Myasnikov, a senior research scientist at Moscow's Centre for Arms Control, told the Guardian. "Russia has been deeply disappointed by what has happened after 1991. Nato started to expand, and the US started to think it had won the cold war. We had hoped for a partnership. But it didn't happen."



Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2054142,00.html



Moscow signals place in new world order

Julian Borger, diplomatic editor
Wednesday April 11, 2007
The Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2054119,00.html

The news that an arms race may be underway once more between Washington and Moscow has brought back some unpleasant memories, but it is also a pointer to a more complicated future. The Kremlin's threat to counter US missile defence installations in eastern Europe is a sign that Russia will no longer acquiesce in a Pax Americana.

What seemed in the west like a post cold-war honeymoon in the nineties is remembered more as a rape by Moscow's new leaders. In their eyes Russia was taken advantage of at a moment of economic weakness by Washington, London and a band of unscrupulous Russian oligarchs. A new Russian foreign policy, published by the government in recent days makes it clear that Moscow believes the era of American hegemony is now over. "The myth about the unipolar world fell apart once and for all in Iraq," the review says. "A strong, more self-confident Russia has become an integral part of positive changes in the world."

. . .

Soaring oil and gas prices have transformed the environment. Russia is no longer a debtor nation. A new self-assuredness was on show when the Russians hosted the G8 meeting at St Petersburg in 2006. "Suddenly, they had all the right suits, watches and the right cars," said a western official who was there.

Moscow's relationship with Europe is now defined by its role as the continent's oil and gas supplier. Its tactics have been those of a giant corporation seeking to maximise its market power. Rather than deal with the EU as a whole, Russia has negotiated individual deals with different European countries - agreeing with Germany the construction of the Nord Stream pipeline under the Baltic, and the extension of another gas pipeline to Hungary. Moscow has thus undermined the EU's communal efforts to reduce its dependence on Russia by bringing Caspian gas through Turkey.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:46 PM
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1. united states is threatening new cold war
Edited on Tue Apr-10-07 08:47 PM by madrchsod
bush just raised and the russian`s ain`t folding
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:48 PM
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2. Ought to be interesting.
Who can outspend who, this time around?
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:02 PM
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7. This time we can BOTH go bankrupt trying to out-weaponize each other
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:26 PM
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8. Yeah, if only Raygun were here to lead us again.
:rofl:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:30 PM
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9. We've got to have a project for the military industrial complex AFTER.........
the bushco 'wars' have ended; wouldn't want those bastions of american industry to NOT be flush with cash.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:30 AM
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16. Except this time, they have a Nationalized Oil and Gas Industry...
...which could supply almost an unlimited supply of cash for Russia. This is not good news.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:50 PM
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3. they have Scalar weaponds... we are toast
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:51 PM
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4. Sounds like "Bushie Loves Putie" got cancelled
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:35 PM
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10. For old time's sake...
A still photo from "Bushie Loves Putie". (Although I could swear the title was "Bushie Loves His Pootie Poot".)

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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:59 PM
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12. I believe you are correct
bushie's heart goes pootie poot
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:54 PM
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5. Ahhh, the money to be made.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 08:57 PM
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6. Hysteria Over Iran and a New Cold War with Russia: Peak Oil, Petrocurrencies
and the Emerging Multi-Polar World

by William Clark
December 22, 2006

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20070106&articleId=4357

This analysis proffers that six difficult challenges await the next US administration: (1)
developing a national energy strategy; (2) negotiating global monetary reform, (3) broadly reorganizing
US fiscal policies, (4) repairing damaged foreign relationships with the UN, the EU, the
Middle East, Russia, and Latin America by realigning foreign polices with American principles and
human rights, (5) reigning in the unwarranted power of the military-industrial-petroleum-banking
consortium through comprehensive campaign finance reform, and 6) massive reallocation of public
funds from military spending towards energy reconfiguration utilizing renewable energy sources in an
attempt to mitigate both Peak Oil and Global Warming. Sadly, the next President will have to
undertake these colossal challenges from a weakened position both economically and diplomatically.

I do not envy the arduous journey that awaits the 44th President of the United States.
The beginning of the 21st century will be an epochal moment in history; either a disastrous
period of resource-related military and economic warfare or an unprecedented and noble effort at
international cooperation. Either way, maintaining the status quo will not be possible much longer
due to both physics and macroeconomics, nor is it desirable if we wish to preserve our humanity.

Our political, social, and economic choices in the next few years will decide which path we take. Will
America succumb to an endless “war on terror,” increased militarism, and economic ruin in a
desperate attempt to remain the sole superpower, or will it rejoin the community of nations as an
equal to collectively work on future challenges? Will future historians write that America was just
another reckless, selfish empire that collapsed due to imperial overstretch? Or will they sing praises
of a long-lived, enlightened democratic republic that finally resisted the temptations and follies of
empire — and compromised for peace, justice, and the rule of law as it entered the 21st century?




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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 09:57 PM
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11. Isn't a "missile defense system"
basically a series of missiles that will destroy an enemy's missiles before they can do any damage?

If so, why don't we simply share the technology with everybody...and put an end to all the paranoia?
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TheMadMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 11:47 PM
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14. Because no military mind will voluntarily give up an advantage.
The US wants to retain its own ability to shoot whilst denying that capability to the "ENEMY".

I too think it's a technology which should be taken over by the UN and deployed worldwide under open international development.

Solution to military industrial complex problem is to cease all development on systems more than 12 months away from production. Halve the military budget. Concentrate on brining units back up to readiness. No Black Projects.

Divide the rest amongst Global Climate Change mitigation, green power, green fuels, industrialization of space and pure science. With a big chunk clearing debt at the start reducing as projects are funded.

Boeing, MD and whoever else get the blunt message adapt or die. This is where the money is now.
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frankieT Donating Member (375 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 02:19 AM
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15. The paranoia is justified
The missile defense system's purpose is to gain a strategic advantage on Russia, protection from iranian or korean missiles is a lame excuse and everybody knows it. The strategic cold war against Russia never stopped. Even the middle east wars can be viewed as a global strategy to encircle Russia (and China).
A few months ago an american nuclear expert said that MAD era is over 'cause US is almost capable of taking down all russian strategic launchers before any effective retaliation...
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Crayson Donating Member (463 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 07:12 AM
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18. It may work against a few missiles...

It still needs much work until it would help against a volley of incoming missiles from russia.

Besides, I thought those would come in over the polar caps, not fly over Europe and the atlantic.
Therefor this shield is a political stunt.

MAYBE it could shield against a single rogue missile fired by some crazy guy who lived too long below ground in his missile silo.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:55 AM
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20. In this case, a "missile defense system" is a very expensive joke.
There are several reasons why they are not going to share the technology:

1) Not every aggressor will agree to publish the trajectory in advance.

2) Few attackers can afford the radar decoys on their missiles.

3) The DoD might be liable for legal action by the dependents of the
foreign engineers who laugh themselves to death at the designs.

:evilgrin:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 03:40 PM
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24. Ok...Makes sense. But why is our system interpreted
as an act of aggression?

Is this just political BS?
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:19 PM
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21. Because if we "...share the technology..." our "enemies will find out it doesn't work.
But that's assumes that they don't already know that already.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-10-07 10:25 PM
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13. Should read "Cold War shoved down Russians' throats".
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 03:27 AM
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oops, dupe
Edited on Wed Apr-11-07 03:28 AM by truthisfreedom
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 03:27 AM
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17. Oh wait, I figured this one out. It's simple!
What with global warming and such, we need something to protect us from the sun. What better than enormous amounts of radioactive dust generated by devastating nuclear war? Nuclear Winter cancels Global Warming!
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:28 PM
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22. You should see this Flash animation about how it's all going to go down.
I have this on my MySpace page: <http://www.poqbum.com/FlashAnimations/endofworld.htm>

NOTE: Not work safe for most (turn down the volume)
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 09:30 AM
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19. Another Bush misstep in the offing. If I were not convinced that his
reliance on talks with God was totally phony, I'd think he was personally issuing in his own Armageddon...in his own inimitable, ignoble, insane, intransigent,intractable illicit, ill-advised imbecility. One of my favorite things to do with Stump is to find descriptive adjectives starting with a particular letter and line them up. Silly? Of course, but he is so "interminably insidious" that one has to take one's aim where one finds it.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-11-07 12:40 PM
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23. little boys with big toys!!
when will they grow up!!!
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