Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Recording, movie industries lobby for permission to deceive

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:16 PM
Original message
Recording, movie industries lobby for permission to deceive
Source: The Los Angeles Times

Recording, movie industries lobby for permission to deceive
Hollywood wants to be exempt from a bill that would ban the use of 'pretexting' to get data.
By Dawn C. Chmielewski and Marc Lifsher, Times Staff Writers
April 7, 2007

SACRAMENTO — The music and movie industries are lobbying state legislators for permission to deceive when pursuing suspected pirates.

The California Senate is considering a bill that would strengthen state privacy laws by banning the use of false statements and other misleading practices to get personal information. The tactic, known as pretexting, created a firestorm of criticism when detectives hired by Hewlett-Packard Co. used it last year to obtain phone records of board members, journalists and critics.

But the Recording Industry Assn. of America and the Motion Picture Assn. of America say they sometimes need to use subterfuge as they pursue bootleggers in flea markets and on the Internet.

The RIAA proposed changes to the piracy bill that raised alarms among consumer advocates. The trade group asked that any owner of a copyright, patent, trademark or trade secret be able to use "pretexting or other investigative techniques to obtain personal information about a customer or employee" when seeking to enforce intellectual property rights.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-pretext7apr07,1,1936238.story?coll=la-headlines-business&ctrack=1&cset=true



I'm sorry, but fuck them! It's bad enough that Bush pulls this shit under the guise of terra, but giving Patriot Act-like powers to MAFIAA is asking for trouble.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:05 PM
Response to Original message
1. well we`ll see how the california politicos vote on this
piece of trash...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:11 PM
Response to Original message
2. yeah those counterfeiters are people too nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. Funny how you equate college students sharing music non-commercially
To people in places like China dealing counterfeit CD-R copies for commercial profit. The RIAA and MPAA are using the same logic to skirt past privacy laws as BushCo is.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Occulus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 11:45 AM
Response to Reply #5
11. It started when they killed the single
I remember, in the 80s, being able to buy a single cassette. That is, it held one song (perhaps with a value-added, not usually broadcast, 'long version' of the song or something).

KID1: Cool! You got popular_song_x!
KID2: Yeah, it has the long version, too.
KID1: I got a blank tape.. can I copy the long one? I already recorded the short one off the radio.
KID2: Sure. Here you go!

Note the bolded text. We would record the broadcast song and listen to that if we didn't have the actual album on casette, and we would buy the single to get a long version of the song.

Now, was it technically wrong to do this? Perhaps, but the industry surely knew it was being done and I don't recall them taking any particularly specific measures- even through its PR machine- to bring it to a halt. There weren't commercials saying to stop it, there weren't newspaper ads decrying the practice... it was as if they just didn't care. We grew up with that expectation, and got that behavior from them. They cooperated with people, kept producing content, and everyone was satisfied almost by unspoken agreement.

Enter the CD. The industry stopped selling cassettes in any real quantity and started putting their music on CD- but they never bothered to make CD singles. This is a crucial point, because CDs have only gotten cheaper and cheaper to make, but their retail prices haven't much changed. At the same time, people who wanted singles discovered it was just as easy to rip the entire CD as it was to rip a single track. If the CD single had always been there, I don't think people would have as quickly turned to downloading individual tracks as a way to fill the void, so to speak. Remember- this was a product we were used to, and had gotten used to buying, had in fact been outright encouraged to buy, which was suddenly and inexplicably not there. It was a terrible business decision, and I'd hate to guess how much money it has cost them.

I saw this happening, right along with the decline in the quality of music on the CD in favor of a whole lot of "filler" music just to 'fill' the CD, got completely disgusted with their entire pathetic mess of a business/industry, and abandoned them ten years ago. I only download music whose source recordings are unknown (such as classical recordings) and other, NON-RIAA music. As far as I'm concerned, the RIAA can go pound sand. I'm done with them and their flash-in-the-pan 'artists'. Feh.

The MPAA is a different story. We know they were glaringly wrong about a similar issue once- when they fought against a 'record' feature for VCRs. Had they won that case, none of the digital recording capability we have today would exist, from video-capturing digital cameras and phones to tv-in ports on video cards to DVRs. Thank whomever ruled against them for the foresight they expressed in their decision; despite being ruled against, once the MPAA embraced the concept of renting video tapes, their revenue in that respect exploded, and people started snapping up VCRs like mad. The phenomenon fed upon itself, and today represents a major portion of the final amount of cash a movie makes- to the point that, sometimes, you hear, "maybe it'll do better on DVD than it did at the box office and they can make up some of the loss". Sometimes, that's even true.

If the MPAA were to embrace Bittorrent in the same way they did the VCR, they could pull off the same trick once again. What they don't understand is that they need a good method for doing so (the new version of Azureus, called Vuze, provides a good example; I'm told it looks and feels a lot like Itunes). They also need to realize that the price needs to be lower than that of a DVD. Were they to set up and populate their own servers, a Bittorrent client could aggregate them for the user; all studios' films could appear in one place, with the ability to pay for them right then and there.

I plan on using Azureus/Vuze for precisely this purpose, as established networks such as the BBC, Showtime, A&E, and others are already starting to make some of their content available in this exact way. Obviously, the broadcasters already 'get' the fact that I'm not talking about some future application of future programming and future sharing methods- I'm talking about something that is already here, today, being done at this moment, all around the world. Bittorrent is establishing itself as a valid and viable means of content distribution, and the content production industries are utter fools to not sit up and take note of that fact.

People today might download a DVD, but if you want to watch it within any reasonable timespan, it makes more sense to go out and buy it. Further, most DVDs available for sale contain bonus features and other value-added content, making a stripped-down download version not worth the effort; the same is true for downloading the 'Disc 2 Bonus content'. While this might discourage sharing of DVDs online, services such as netflix make it easy for users to rip copies in their own homes. It has ever been thus with rental services, however, and I think the industry is coming to terms with the fact that it will ever be thus, HDCP notwithstanding.

The harder they try to tighten their grip on control of an inherently uncontrollable medium (it is in the nature of the bit to be copied), the more creative people will be in evading them, either through spoofing, cracking, or hard encryption of data transfers. It wouldn't surprise me to find that some clever hacker figures out how the MAFIAA is spying on users, and finds a way to spoof that information so it looks like it's, for example, a politician's name, address, etc.

Filesharing, and all its attendant uses, is here to stay. protocols cannot be uninvented; the genie is well and truly out of the bottle. There is nothing whatever that the idustry can do about it short of having an eye on the datastream of every Internet user in the country. They need to embrace it, find a way to harness, rather than fight it, or it will be a moving factor in the industry's ultimate demise.

The irony in that prospect? User content would fill the void. It's already happening; there's a ridiculous amount of very good, high-quality 'amateur' content out there (some of which looks pretty professional to me). Bittorrent et al are the future, and the Mafiaa ignores that at their peril.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 04:08 AM
Response to Reply #2
12. Exactly. The RIAA should be able to break into homes, if need be and search,
wiretap, torture, whatever it takes because this is America, and capitol come before the constitution.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. it's usually the whitehouse, not the capitol, which comes before the constitution
and, of course, capital, which comes before everything.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 10:28 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. Yes, I was up much to late, but now it's early and I must ask;
Have you never heard of Captitol Records? B-)


So as of now, that's my story and I'm sticking to it....
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:16 PM
Response to Original message
3. Because Of Course, You Know, The Entertainment Industry Is Crucial to Sustaining Life
...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:50 PM
Response to Original message
4. Moguls who made a fortune ripping of the real artists squeal like
pigs when they are accorded similar treatment.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 02:19 AM
Response to Reply #4
6. yes
A classic case of projection gone amok.



Cher
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 06:40 AM
Response to Reply #4
7. A-Fucking-men
These cocksuckers have been robbing every artist who has made their companies possible from the inception of the industry and now they feel they should have the right to lie and spy to catch people doing the same thing to them? Fuck these bastards. When you are charging 15-20 bucks for a CD that we all know only costs you only a few cents to make, people get salty. Record companies are on the way out anyway, they are going to get their ultimate comeuppance, everything is digital now, CDs will be a thing of the past soon enough. The whole music scene is going to change and it will be for the better.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #7
8. I agree
These are the last, desperate throes of a dying industry that is watching its decades-old ill-gotten gravy train grind to a halt. It seems like it's every week now we're hearing about a new ploy of the industry, and it's always more outrageous and obnoxious than the last.

Fuck 'em. I remember being kind of wistful when LPs were replaced by CDs. Now, I sense, as you do, that CDs will be going away soon too. Good riddance.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. You got that right!
Breaks my heart to see Rock & Roll pioneers living in poverty, cheated out of what is rightfully theirs. AND how wonderful Christian Reagan let his movie industry pals cut off royalty payments to film pioneers so people like Stan Laurel and Bud Abbot die in poverty. DISGUSTING!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
crikkett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 10:58 AM
Response to Original message
10. kick!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 09:38 AM
Response to Original message
13. Kiss.My.ASS.
Edited on Mon Apr-09-07 09:39 AM by Coventina
The fucking RIAA can STICK IT! I have bought so much music in so many different formats: for example: I have the LP of "Never Mind the Bollocks, Here's The Sex Pistols." I don't even want to admit when I bought it.

Then, when I got a cassette deck in my car, I bought it on cassette.

Then, when turntables went the way of the dinosaur, I bought it on CD.

Now, the RIAA wants me to pay for it as an MP3 to put on my iPod.

Kiss my fucking ass. I've paid for it THREE FUCKING TIMES ALREADY!!!

on edit: gratuitous swearing in honor of Johnny.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 06:51 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC