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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:48 AM
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Clinton touts universal health care plan
Edited on Mon Mar-26-07 09:01 AM by rodeodance
Source: AP

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Clinton touts universal health care plan

By MIKE GLOVER, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 18 minutes ago

DES MOINES, Iowa - Democratic presidential hopeful
Hillary Rodham Clinton vowed Monday to create a universal health care system if elected, saying she "learned a lot" during the failed health care effort of her husband's presidency.

"We're going to have universal health care when I'm president — there's no doubt about that. We're going to get it done," the New York senator and front-runner for the 2008 nomination said.

Clinton focused on health care issues during an appearance on ABC's "Good Morning America" broadcast from the state where precinct caucuses will launch the presidential nominating season.

Asked how she could improve on her failed effort to reform health care during her husband's presidency, Clinton said pressure for change has built in the last decade and that would make tackling the issue easier.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070326/ap_on_el_pr/clinton_health_care;_ylt=AneY3FaLGin9oZuItuQ2pfWs0NUE
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:50 AM
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1. Same Shit, Different Day
When a workable (not expedient) plan falls from her lips, maybe I'll support Clinton.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 11:04 AM
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17. Well said. Hillary can't decide if she's more in favor of private health insurance
company's bottom lines or everyone recieving quality care.

When she gets that part figured out and tells us, then maybe I'd consider her presidential bid assuming she chooses people over profit.

I can't say I'm holding my breath on this. Been there, done that.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:54 AM
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2. The devil's in the details Hillary.
Instead of protecting your donors profits, do something for the citizens of this country. Government run, taxpayer financed, privately administered, SINGLE-Payer.

DLC- Do Love Corporations.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:56 AM
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5. She needs coaching-not slamming all the time. She is open right now--
send her your thoughts on the issue.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:01 AM
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6. She's getting a lot of coaching.
Maybe that's the problem. They need to fire the coach, and hire a new one. And I'm not just picking on her. My Dem Senator is just as bad. Bill Nelson.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:06 AM
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8. Oh I could pick all over her if I wanted too...
...And the only canard I've posited is her "Electability."

But if she's for Universal Healthcare and PROMISES it tops her agenda, then until something changes, she's the front runner in MY horse race.
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renaissanceguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:06 AM
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14. I still want the details.
Will she just push a Romney type of plan? Or will it be more of a Medicare extension to everyone?


http://www.cafepress.com/liberalissues
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:36 AM
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15. as the article says---she is asking our input now. so contact her and
tell your thoughts.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:32 AM
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13. yes, I agree---too many Congresscritters get too much or the wrong kind
of coaching.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:55 AM
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3. Time for ALL Democratic Party candidates to sign on to THIS one.
Everyone has their Deal maker or Deal breaker that will cause them to support or not support a candidate: This one is my Deal Maker.

When I hear "UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE" fall from the lips of another Democratic Party Candidate, THEN I will listen to the rest of their message.

I just became a Hillary Clinton supporter.
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DUgosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:14 AM
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9. I'm a boomer, and I'm on the Hillary wagon too
She's not being coached she knows what she's talking about when it comes to health care. Call me selfish but it's tops on my list.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 08:55 AM
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4. Did any repukes come out this weekend on the news shows claiming
...the country can't afford the proposed universal health care plan? If so, these rethuglicans should be asked if the country can afford a trillion dollars a year for wars, private army funding and mass murder around the world.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:04 AM
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7. I LOVE refuting that red herring.
Buy the PREMIUM outside of group coverage I just bought due to my being fired and losing my insurance, make it for your average family of 4, and you come up with about $300 Billion.

Now take out the roughly 30% off the top that the insurance companies take, and you get about $200 Billion.

Now the war funding thingy was about $124 Billion, right? AND, on top of the 30% you got insurance companies getting FILTHY RICH selling this stuff (1500 carriers in the US last I heard, and the biggest are CIGNA and AETNA with healthcare topping their portfolios, and both of them worth more than General Motors), so take them out of the picture.

Starts sounding REAL DOABLE without even any "BIG PLAN," doesn't it?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:15 AM
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10. I like her approach: She is seeking our input---Tell her--what you think
would be a good plan for America now--write her a letter-or email her.



.....The reason she hasn't "set out a plan and said here's exactly what I will do," Clinton said, is that she wants to hear from voters what kind of plan they would favor.

"I want the ideas that people have," said Clinton. She said any health care plan must deal with the reality that there's a unique climate in the country.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:29 AM
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12. You can contact her here:
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 10:53 AM
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16. This is the comment I sent:
To Mrs. Clinton,

This comment is related to your call for voters to tell you what we want for health care when you appeared on ABC's "Good Morning America" show this morning. I can't claim to speak for other voters, only myself, I voted for your husband back in 1996, when I first turned 18, and have voted Democratic ever since.

Well, let me start by saying that its good that you are asking the voters themselves for help on this issue, for it affects all of us, especially lower wage working families and the middle class. The first thing I think you need to do is, once you decide on a plan, be clear in what it involves for voters.

I believe, personally, that a single payer plan is the way to go, a "Medicare for all" plan, one that shift our health care system from a for-profit enterprise to a non-profit public service. The problem with plans like Edwards is that trying to keep the insurance companies around, and linking health care to employment ends up leading to duplicating the bureaucracy needed to deliver the financing needed, and increases the burden on already overburdened companies.

A single payer system is simpler, and because of this, cheaper to operate. If you wish to control costs, the easiest way to do this is to cut the administration down, for private insurance companies, about 30% of the money put in premiums is eaten up by administrative costs, compare this to Medicare, which, for all its faults, still is able to maintain an administrative cost of only about 3%. This could lead to a savings of millions, even billions of dollars a year in health care delivery.

In addition, the government should be able to negotiate drug prices at fair market value, openly, and emphasize the use of generics when possible. We need to focus on preventative medicine, encouraging citizens to go to the doctor for a simple checkup, because it shouldn't cost them 100 dollars for a single visit, a cost many families can ill afford, so they don't bother.

If we encourage this, then it will also reduce costs because, when people only see the doctor when something is wrong with them, then it ends up costing more money than catching diseases and conditions at the earliest possible diagnosis. This also leads to a bonus of better survivability for many individuals, and less time out of work, leading to better productivity.

Such a plan wouldn't need to limit choices in doctors, for, as long as the government would pay the costs, doctors will treat the patients. Allow for fair compensation related to the doctor's ability and specialization, if any, and there shouldn't be any problems in doctor choice.

In addition, you spread the risk pool to every single working American, which further reduces individual costs for those Americans and their families. You could market it as eliminating an expensive monthly premium, replacing it with a Medical tax that is less than a third of the cost of the premium, which puts more money in the pockets of working families so that they can contribute even more into the economy.

This is just my two cents.

With regards,

Donald McBee


Don't know if she'll read it, but what the hell. :)
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 09:19 AM
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11. Once wall street and corporate america are REMOVED from our.......
health care system, many things are possible for EVERYONE.
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hughee99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-26-07 03:20 PM
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18. While I have no doubt she learned a great deal
about the POLITICS of universal health care from her failed efforts more than a decade ago, I have serious doubts about whether she learned anything about substantive about the "ins and outs" of running universal health care from that effort.

Also, does anyone else find the title misleading? She's not actually touting a universal health care plan. In fact, she doesn't actually give any information about a health care plan other than that she is soliciting ideas from the public (which I think is a good thing). The title, to me, suggests she already has a plan and that she's putting it out there but that's clearly not the case. What she does seem to be doing is touting the CONCEPT of universal health care, without actually providing any specifics at all.

Maybe it's just the way I'm reading it...
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