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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:16 AM
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Wolfowitz Calls Spread of Terror Weapons 'Urgent Threat'
Wolfowitz Calls Spread of Terror Weapons 'Urgent Threat'

WASHINGTON, Dec. 17, 2003 -- "The spread of weapons of mass terror is one of the most urgent threats facing the globe today," Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz told members of the Proliferation Security Initiative here today.

Wolfowitz addressed the group, in which 16 nations are represented, during PSI's conference at the National Defense University.

"The threat is global, and our response has to be global as well," he said. "We have to address this threat now, before an attack that would make the events of Sept. 11 pale in comparison."

The PSI is a response to the growing challenge posed by the proliferation of weapons of mass destruction, their delivery systems, and related materials worldwide. It originally consisted of 11 countries: Australia, Germany, France, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Spain, the United Kingdom and the United States. Five countries -- Canada, Denmark, Norway, Singapore and Turkey -- have joined since President Bush announced the initiative May 31.

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Wolfowitz said weapons of mass destruction in the hands of "bad actors" and "rogue states" are something that the international community cannot continue to live with. He said that for too long, the United States relied on diplomacy, arms control, nonproliferation treaties and export controls to stop the trade of WMDs.

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http://www.dod.mil/news/Dec2003/n12172003_200312175.html
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:18 AM
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1. Well, shit.
If it's "urgent," surely there's SOMEONE we can bomb, right?

There have to be women and children SOMEWHERE we can kill to make the world safe from weapons of mass destruction.
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:25 AM
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2. I guess that means it's time to disarm ...
... the world's largest supplier and owner of "terror weapons," the United States of America.

Hello, U.N. inspectors?
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:28 AM
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3. Maybe he will sign Stark II now?
Oh. Sorry. Had a moment of sanity there. It will never happen again.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:28 AM
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4. I'm not afraid, Mr. Wolfowitz. Never was...
"We have to address this threat now, before an attack that would make the events of Sept. 11 pale in comparison."

-----------------------

"Bring it on," Paul.

I dare you folks to try and draw water from that well again.
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BigDaddyLove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:36 AM
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5. Blah, blah, blah....................
Go away Wolfowitz.

:mad:
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are_we_united_yet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:24 PM
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38. That was absolutely poetic!
:)
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:38 AM
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6. andre perkowski calls paul wolfowitz "complete asshole"


wolf it down, wolfowitz.
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:48 AM
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7. still singing from this sheet of music???
When hasn't this been a problem? Not since before 1945....

And coming from this jackass, who had spent his adult life making the world a very unsafe place, well, what exactly does he propose? He doesn't like diplomacy or arms control or NPTs...Hmmm, I guess that the "pre-emptive war" will become our only tool of foreign policy.

Nice.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:27 AM
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8. Notice his last sentence, "
"for too long, the United States relied on diplomacy...."

What he means here, is, we've been nice for too long. It's time to take off the gloves and get tough. Every nation in the world had better SHAKE cause we're a' comin.

The only thing I can say for sure is, this man is seriously deranged.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:31 AM
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9. If you believe the Iraq/WMD BS, then we've actually HELPED terrorists
The line with most Freepers seems to be that the reason we're not finding the Iraqi WMD's is because Saddam had them shipped to Syria, Iran or gave them to terrorists like Al Queda (which is a stupid theory to begin with). Well, if you believe that, then congratulations, you've just helped the terrorists get their hands on extremely deadly weapons. On the other hand, if we hadn't invaded, Saddam would still be holding the weapons in his own arsenal and they'd be contained. After all, we contained him for almost 12 yrs with no chemical, biological or nuclear attacks from Iraqi sources, so the sanctions seemed to be working. But now it's every man for himself, looting and robbing whatever they can grab. If we really believed Saddam had WMD, it would have made much more sense to NOT invade and prevent the mad scramble for goodies. A danger you can see is far better than a danger you cannot, IMO.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:53 PM
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45. Nailed it, NickB79!
So more in the Arab community have more reason(s) to hate us. Tell me how that makes us safer?

The thing (well, one of many things) you nailed especially well was "But now it's every man for himself, looting and robbing whatever they can grab." Sounds appropriate. Certainly describes the bedrock belief of the neocons and other assorted radical right'ers who currently lead the republi-CON party. Figures, doesn't it? It's better now that we're here, when it's every man for himself, looting and robbing whatever they can grab. They're just relating to what they know best.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 01:47 AM
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10. does anyone take these people seriously anymore?
If someone wants to understand anything in the world, who would go to Wolfie, Perle, Gingrich, et al? They might as well just go away somewhere, enjoy their money, let someone clean up their mess.



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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 08:56 AM
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20. yep: the media, and most world leaders
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:41 AM
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31. no
the media might listen to them, but "most world leaders" know better. In fact you'll see that the EU is very deliberately not doing ANYTHING that might have a positve domsestic impact for *, especially where the next election is concerned. They made him back down (in a very desicive and manly way of course) over his steel tarrifs by threatening retalitory tarrifs explicitly aimed at battle ground election states like Florida.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:05 AM
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11. Is global domination the end game for Wolfowitz?
Seriously, what the hell is his objective? And more importantly, why should anyone take him seriously?
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 08:21 AM
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18. Yes. Read the PNAC documents.

Their goal is world domination thru military domination. They claim the right to attack militarily any country that THEY THINK will become a competitor to their global plans.

The neocons eminating from the american enterprise institute are the single most dangerous group of people in the world today, far beyond Osama bin Missing, or any little tinpot dictator. They have been working towards that goal for over a decade. Their danger lies in the fact that they have taken over the white house and there is no check on their power now. Under poppy's regime they were seen as just a bunch of nutjobs. Now they make global policy.

And yes, Wolfoshitz is one of them. He's one of their leaders. That makes him dangerous.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:12 AM
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25. Plus, all the nominees for judges
are coming from one source – the Heritage Foundation. They're taking no chances that a Supreme Court judge like David Souter will ever happen again. Anyone they propose to put on the bench is guaranteed to be a wingnut.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:43 PM
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34. Terrorism is one of the excuses they use to do this which is why I refuse
to buy all this Malarkey about terrorists in Yugoslavia, terrorists in Afghanistan, terrorists in Palestine, terrorists in Iraq, terrorists in Iran, terrorists in Syria, terrorists in Saudi Arabia, terrorists in Lebanon, etc... and can't support any Dem signing on to this charade.

Meanwhile the 3 biggest terrorists roam freely accusing others of terrorism simply because they're resistant to economic and military aggression.

It's absolutely staggering how frightening these guys are! All the neos, be they neo-liberals or neo-conservatives.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 03:22 PM
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46. This is one humdinger of a summation.
You really pegged this one, reprobate!
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ze_dscherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:10 AM
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12. Wolfowitz "is one of the most urgent threats facing the globe today"
... together with his "cabal".

Methinks, among the "bad actors" he's one of the worst.
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imhotep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 02:11 AM
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13. the boy who cried wolf
owitz.
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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 04:06 AM
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14. He wants
the US, about 6%(?) of the earth's population to be the dictator of the world and expects the remaining 94% to accept it. Something is very wrong with him.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 04:12 AM
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15. Sure! I feel so much safer knowing
this jackass is running around telling the world "we're coming to get you!"
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 08:11 AM
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16. What goes around comes around.... The Mil Ind Complx developed/
made these weapons and now they return to our shores.

We Humans are such fools.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 08:20 AM
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17. Mad as a hatter.
And yet this cretin wields the power of life and death.

This is supposed to make me believe in a good and benevolent God?
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 08:54 AM
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19. neocons wetting their pants
"global response" = "Total War"

"If we let our vision of the world go forth, and we embrace it entirely,
and we don't try to piece together clever diplomacy but just wage total war, our children will sing great songs about us years from now."
- Richard "Prince of Darkness" Perle

Now all they need is a means to also make this war "Perpetual".
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:42 AM
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23. Shudder!
This quote sounds so "Stalinesque" it actually scares me.

"our children will sing great songs about us years from now."

It sounds like a neocon wet dream. America becomes so patriotic that we sing songs about our national heroes.

Wolfie and Pearle are both deranged.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:47 PM
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42. If I'm not mistaken, some right-wing half-wits tried to float a ditty
about the pathetic Oliver North.

I just tried to locate it, for a link, but instead, found Oliver North's name mentioned in this swell ballad by Frank Zappa. Well worth perusing:

Jesus Thinks You're a Jerk
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank-zappa/56591.html


I DID hear some shabby, stupid song making the rounds during the Iran-Gate travesty, when, inexpicably, a lot of right-wing ferver was stirred up in his support, as if he were actually doing something GOOD! That should have told us things were getting too strange.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:49 AM
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27. Would someone lock these jerks in a room
and make them read "the guns of August" and the complete works of Wilfred Owen until they promise to play better with others?
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:28 AM
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21. The spread of Leo Straussians is an even more urgent threat
.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:37 AM
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22. watch the "negotiations" with shipping nations to facilitate
boarding and inspections....
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 09:54 AM
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24. Wolfowitz, is indeed the greatest threat to the U.S. and to
the world today. It is important to do everything that can be done to spread information about this psychopath and to have him removed from power as soon as possible.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 10:22 AM
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26. "Wolfowitz said ...
... weapons of mass destruction in the hands of "bad actors" and "rogue states" are something that the international community cannot continue to live with."

Well, we had the bad actor in charge from 1981 onwards. So is he acknowledging the USA has now moved on to the rogue state phase?

"He said a concerted international effort is needed to prevent the "rogue trade of rogue materials from coming home to any of us in disastrous form.""

What is it about 'rogues'? Is he worried about other states that the USA helped with chemical weapons allowing something to come home to the United States?
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:00 AM
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28. Can anyone think of one thing Wolfie has been right about?
Somebody could make a lot of money by documenting all of the erroneus pronouncements of Paul Wolfowitz.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:04 PM
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37. I can't think of one

Paul is good at subjugating
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:51 PM
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43. May I compliment you on your supurb photo choice! Perfecto.
It says EVERYTHING about an essence you were trying to forget!

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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:37 AM
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29. If Wolfie & Company are so concerned....
Why did they out Valerie Plame and her entire network that monitored wmds around the world? And why did Bush cut the funding used to disarm many of the countries in the old Soviet Union that still have wmds?
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 11:37 AM
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30. Luckily
we are not able to unilateraly invade and occupy another country while we are still in Iraq, so other countires, even those who actually do have WMDs, are safe for another... oh 20 years or so.

It just goes to show how incompetent these fools are. What if there was a real threat, not a paper tiger like Iraq? We'd be screwed. The international community is not going to simply take *'s word for it after all the lies about Iraq. If it really was the right course to take out Saddam they should have actually used real dipolmacy and built international support for it, even if it meant invading during an election year :eyes:

Instead their idea of diplomacy is to say "agree 100% with our position NOW, or Donald Rumsfeld will call you names". :eyes: :eyes:
Of course the main reason for their diplomatic failure was that their stated reasons for going to war were LIES and the rest of the world saw through it, it was only the un-informed FOX/CNN/Corporate media watching morans in the US that bought into it.
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:06 PM
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32. some college students made total fools out of a few of these neocons
These UCLA kids were at the top of their game, it almost wasn't fair against the intellectually flabby Bill Bennett, James Woolsey, L. Paul "Jerry" Bremer, and the other guy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=835021
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:53 PM
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44. OMG- What an excellent read! Thank you! n/t
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-03 12:21 PM
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33. So wolfowitz proposes
doing away with diplomacy, arms control, nonproliferation treaties and export controls. With apologies to the better of animal species, in other words 'back to the jungle'. Ferk all the progress that the human species has made. Subdue the conscience and for Wolfowitz's god sake don't try to love thy neighbor. I really was depending on Mother Nature to do something about overpopulation but Wolfowitz has come up with a quicker way.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:26 PM
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35. Lets go Invade Poland and Checkoslavkia
before they burn down the Riechstag - AGAIN.
And lets go after Spain for blowing up the Maine whle we're at it.

Holy Moley.... how many times is this bs going to work?
I agee, we seem to have our hands full militarily for the time being.

Maybe we should attack Canada?
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 12:48 PM
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36. The little wolf who cried
.....ah, nevermind. It's just to obvious. ;-(
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Jazzgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:32 PM
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39. There he goes again...
Advancing the PNAC initiative.

eom
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 01:34 PM
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40. Er...
Haven't the neocons been the ones calling for mini-nukes?

Haven't they called for more production and testing of nuclear weaponry?
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-03 02:22 PM
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41. I think you are right
Using a mini nuke? Now THAT ought to make us feel safer!

And we can feel secure in the knowledge that it will be done to promote FREEDOM.

did I miss something?
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