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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:11 PM
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(Republic Congressman) Flake pushes to lift travel restrictions to Cuba
Flake pushes to lift travel restrictions to Cuba

By Billy House
Republic Washington Bureau
Jan. 25, 2007 01:50 PM


WASHINGTON - Arizona GOP Rep. Jeff Flake today teamed with an influential House Democrat to introduce a bill to lift the prohibition on Americans traveling to Cuba.

"A new approach is long overdue," said Flake said in a written statement. His bill, (H.R. 654), is co-sponsored with House Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel, D-N.Y.
(snip)

But the Bush administration and Republican leaders have systematically removed it in negotiations with the Senate from a final bill every year.

Now, with Democrats in control of both chambers of Congress, the White House might not have the same cooperation of House and Senate leaders in blocking a renewed effort to ease the travel restrictions.
(snip/)

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0125flake-cuba.html

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US Legislators Urge Lifting Cuban Trade, Travel Embargoes

Ten U.S. lawmakers who just returned from a trip to Havana are calling for engagement with Cuba in place of the trade and travel embargo the United States has imposed on Cuba for years. The House members say six months after ailing President Fidel Castro gave governing power to his brother Raul, it is apparent that little in communist Cuba will change unless U.S. policy does. VOA's Marissa Melton reports from Washington.

Members of the bipartisan Cuba Working Group have proposed legislation to lift economic restrictions on Cuba. They have been explaining to Washington audiences why they back the normalization of relations with the poor island nation.

Democrat William Delahunt of Massachusetts told the InterAmerican Dialogue research center the trip itself showed that many in Congress disagree with existing U.S. policy on Cuba.

"I would submit that our paramount motive in going to Cuba was to demonstrate just simply by our physical presence, given the size of our delegation, that many in this country, particularly in the U.S. Congress, want dialogue," he said. "And that obviously is not the position of the administration."
(snip/...)

http://www.huliq.com/7746/us-legislators-urge-lifting-cuban-trade-travel-embargoes
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 05:13 PM
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1. I would bet they have more than enough votes to over come
a veto. :)
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:32 PM
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2. Maybe we could give Guantanamo back to the Cubans while we're at it:
the "lease" governing US occupation of the site specifies it should only be used as a coaling station, which I think our Navy really doesn't need nowadays.


THE CONCENTRATION CAMP AT GUANTANAMO:
WRONG TREATMENT IN THE WRONG PLACE
Professor Marjorie Cohn
Thomas Jefferson School of Law
JURIST Contributing Editor

... The United States government illegally occupies that part of Cuba's territory. It is held under a lease negotiated between Cuba and the U.S., which gave the United States the right to use Guantanamo Bay "exclusively as coaling or naval stations, and for no other purpose." Nowhere does Cuba give the United States the right to utilize this land as a prison or a concentration camp ...

http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forum/forumnew135.php
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 10:39 PM
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3. Amazing what Rethugs will introduce and sponsor when they're in the minority, eh?
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 10:39 PM by roamer65
:eyes:

This bill is long overdue.
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roody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 12:24 AM
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6. I believe that Flake has been consistent on this.
They want trade and markets and I suppose sweatshops.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:14 AM
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7. Flake has been supporting lifting the travel ban and embargo since 2000
He's hardly a newcomer to Cuba legislation.

November 9, 2001: Cuba Policy Update

...Rep. Jeff Flake (R-AZ) said that, after the September 11 terrorist attacks, "the Senate agreed not to attach anything controversial to its bill. The timing wasn't good." Rep. Flake had led the effort in July to pass the travel ban repeal in the House. In addition, President Bush had threatened to veto the entire Treasury/Postal spending bill if the Cuba travel language were retained. Leaders of the Republican-controlled House also opposed lifting the travel ban, despite July's 240 to 186 House vote in favor of denying funding for the enforcement of the U.S. restrictions on travel to Cuba. In fact, members of Congress have voted for two consecutive years to abolish the travel restrictions. Last year, language lifting the travel restrictions was also stricken from a House-approved bill.

http://afrocubaweb.com/laworkgroup.htm#working%20Group
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:12 PM
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4. Providing affordable health care to low income Americans could
Edited on Thu Jan-25-07 11:13 PM by Zorra
become Cuba's major source of revenue if travel restrictions are lifted.

I'm sure the US healthcare lobby and the republican party will never let this happen.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:36 PM
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13. Many poor people in this country don't have the money to travel that far
So it wouldn't have such an effect...although there are many lower-middle class Americans or middle-middle class Americans who are without insurance and could benefit.
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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-25-07 11:12 PM
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5. Watch Out When This Happens...
between the developers and the cruise lines, that island is going to be overrun. It's going to look like the Oklahoma Land Rush. I mean...there's an island off the coast of Cuba called the Island of Youth. PR paradise, baby!
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 01:49 AM
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8. People are so naive about Cuba...
muriKans talk about Cuba like they own the place, or that they will as soon as legislation is passed. They've been trying to get this legislation passed since the late 1990s and every year the Gusano pols strip the language out of the bill, so don't hold your breath.

Secondly, what makes you think that the Cubans want THEIR island overrun with fat american developers and cruise lines? They have no interest in going back to the days when Cuba was the whorehouse of the Caribbean, owned by the mafia and their casinos and ruled by a US-supported dictator that robbed the National Treasury and was finally overthrown by the Cuban Revolution in 1959.

Read my sig line:


Fidel, Raul, and others being released from Isla de Pinos prison, 1955




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momster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 09:45 AM
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9. I'm not "Naive about Cuba"
however, if you honestly think a country's citizens aren't going to accept jobs, new infastructure and hard currency, not to mention the short-sighted desire for 'goodies' like new cars, tvs, and the rest of the west-greed trash and toys, it is you who are naive about human beings. Sure, some people will try to preserve the landscape, culture, etc. But an awful lot of people can't be bothered to care when money enters the equation and, unfortunately (throughout the world, not just the Caribbean), it tends to be those people who win. The best to be hoped for is equal partnering between the big corporations and the Cuban government in whatever form it takes post-Castro. It may prove to be like China, which, while paying lip-service to socialist ideals when it serves them, permits and encourages the destruction of ancient hutong neighborhoods and even world-wide famous sites when the money comes rolling along.

Let's give it 20 years post-Castro and we'll see.
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-26-07 10:27 PM
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10. Equal partnering with big corporations??? With the ugly neighbor
to the north who has tried to strangle the Cuban economy since 1960??? Get a reality!! The Cuban government has been doing business with most of the globe since the special period in the early 1990s. The USSA was too interested in votes from the MiamiGUSANOS to give a flying fuck about normalizing relations with the island, and while they kept ratcheting up the pressure on the island Spain, Great Britain, Sweden, Canada, Venezuela, Brazil, Chile, and a host of other countries have been trading with the island, building hotels and resorts, cooperation with healthcare and medical research, education, and their latest and probably biggest venture, the discovery of oil off their coast.

Despite the poverty caused in large part by the embargo, Cubans are educated, entrepreneurial, have a strong sense of national pride, and are healthier than most of LatAm and the Caribbean. Your insinuation that they are some country peasants who just fell off the turnip truck and would take any kind of handout from anyone--is insulting.

Your "people can't be bothered to care when money enters the equation" statement describes murikans perfectly--they are collectively so self-centered that they can see only through the myopic US prism. They seem to have no clue that much of the world rejects their way of life and want no part of it. We are witnessing this first hand all over Latin America and little Cuba was the first to reject what many in LatAm describe as 'savage capitalism'.

<clips>

CUBA AFTER CASTRO?

Ever since Fidel Castro gained power in 1959, Washington and the Cuban exile community have been eagerly awaiting the moment when he would lose it -- at which point, the thinking went, they would have carte blanche to remake Cuba in their own image. Without Fidel's iron fist to keep Cubans in their place, the island would erupt into a collective demand for rapid change. The long-oppressed population would overthrow Fidel's revolutionary cronies and clamor for capital, expertise, and leadership from the north to transform Cuba into a market democracy with strong ties to the United States.

But that moment has come and gone -- and none of what Washington and the exiles anticipated has come to pass. Even as Cuba-watchers speculate about how much longer the ailing Fidel will survive, the post-Fidel transition is already well under way.Power has been successfully transferred to a new set of leaders, whose priority is to preserve the system while permitting only very gradual reform. Cubans have not revolted, and their national identity remains tied to the defense of the homeland against U.S. attacks on its sovereignty. As the post-Fidel regime responds to pent-up demands for more democratic participation and economic opportunity, Cuba will undoubtedly change -- but the pace and nature of that change will be mostly imperceptible to the naked American eye.

...A few weeks into the Fidel deathwatch, Raúl gave an interview clearly meant for U.S. consumption. Cuba, he said, "has always been ready to normalize relations on the basis of equality. But we will not accept the arrogant and interventionist policies of this administration," nor will the United States win concessions on Cuba's domestic political model. A few days later, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Thomas Shannon responded in kind. Washington, he said, would consider lifting its embargo -- but only if Cuba established a route to multiparty democracy, released all political prisoners, and allowed independent civil-society organizations. With or without Fidel, the two governments were stuck where they have been for years: Havana ready to talk about everything except the one condition on which Washington will not budge, Washington offering something Havana does not unconditionally want in exchange for something it is not willing to give.

...From the perspective of Fidel's chosen successors, the transition comes in a particularly favorable international context. Despite Washington's assiduous efforts, Cuba is far from isolated: it has diplomatic relations with more than 160 countries, students from nearly 100 studying in its schools, and its doctors stationed in 69. The resurgence of Latin America's left, along with the recent rise in anti-American sentiment around the globe, makes Cuba's defiance of the United States even more compelling and less anomalous than it was just after the Cold War. The Cuban-Venezuelan relationship, based on a shared critique of U.S. power, imperialism, and "savage capitalism," has particular symbolic power. Although this alliance is hardly permanent, and American observers often make too much of Venezuela's influence as a power broker, it does deliver Cuba some $2 billion in subsidized oil a year and provide an export market for Cuba's surfeit of doctors and technical advisers. (By providing the backbone for Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez's social programs and assistance in building functional organizations, Havana exercises more influence in Venezuela than Caracas does in Cuba.) Havana, without ceding any authority to Chávez, will optimize this relationship as long as it remains beneficial.

Nor is Venezuela the only country that will resist U.S. efforts to dominate post-Fidel Cuba and purge the country of Fidel's revolutionary legacy. Latin Americans, still deeply nationalistic, have long viewed Fidel as a force for social justice and a necessary check on U.S. influence. As attendance at his funeral will demonstrate, he remains an icon. Latin Americans of diverse ideological stripes, most of them deeply committed to democracy in their own countries, want to see a soft landing in Cuba -- not the violence and chaos that they believe U.S. policy will bring. Given their own failures in the 1990s to translate engagement with Cuba into democratization, and the United States' current credibility problems on this score, it is unlikely that U.S. allies in Latin America or Europe will help Washington use some sort of international initiative to advance its desires for radical change in Cuba.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20070101faessay86104-p0/julia-e-sweig/fidel-s-final-victory.html










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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 03:54 PM
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11. Well said, Say_What!
Cubans have been doing just what they want to do.

Together, nearly all Cubans worked hard to create the infrastructure and systems that they felt were essential for any progressive system.

The Cuban people wanted universal health care for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals, and organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a fair and complete h-c system.

The people of Cuba wanted universal education for all Cubans, and they have it. They pushed for government that represented their ideals, organized and formed infrastructure that enabled Cubans to create a complete and world class ed system, and they have it.

Cubans want to assist the world's poor with doctors and educators, instead of gun ship diplomacy.. and that is what they have done WITH their government, not at odds with their government.

Can Americans make this claim about their own country? I'm afraid not.


Cubans want normalization between the US and Cuba, and they have thrown their doors open to us, but, it is our US government that prevents what the majority of Americans want their government to do - normalize relations. Worse yet, the US government forbids and has criminalized travel to Cuba by Americans - something that Cuba hasn't done.



Viva Cuba!
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Say_What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:27 PM
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12. Alvarez and Mitat are surrendering their arsenal of weapons for a lighter sentence??
Edited on Sat Jan-27-07 09:28 PM by Say_What
Welcome to the Banana Republic of Miami!! Guess that 'war on terra' doesn't apply to MiamiGUSANO terrorists. Absolutely nothing that happens in Miami surprises me :crazy:

<clips>

Miami: A refuge for anti-Castro terrorists

This is the case with Santiago Alvarez and Osvaldo Mitat, who by any dictionary's definition, are terrorists. The evidence against them? Machine guns, C-4 explosives, dynamite, grenade launchers, recorded statements calling for a nightclub full of people to be bombed, admissions of plots to assassinate the Cuban president, etc.

Yet, now the U.S. attorney's office in Miami has arranged the surrender of Alvarez's weapons caches in order to lessen his prison sentence. That sentence is already a pitiful slap on the wrist, four years for Alvarez, three for Mitat, for the one weapons charge they were allowed to plead guilty to in November.

The last time I heard, Miami was a city in the United States. The last time I heard, there are United States laws against launching armed actions against a country with whom the United States is not at war with. Yet, Alvarez's and Mitat's lawyers state openly that their clients' aim was "always" to overthrow Fidel Castro.

...The terrorist bands must feel that Miami is the perfect refuge for their kind. After all, it is where Alvarez and crew smuggled Posada in. Don't forget Posada's three accomplices in the Panama terrorist plot. They flew into Miami hours after their ignominious pardon in August 2004.

Has the FBI or U.S. Attorney's office ever considered prosecuting those three terrorists? There is certainly enough evidence against Guillermo Novo Sampol, Pedro Remón and Gaspar Jiménez for their terrorist crimes committed on U.S. soil. And their plot to try to assassinate Fidel Castro in Panama, definitely qualifies as a violation of the Neutrality Act.

But the FBI interviewed the three terrorists upon their Miami arrival and let them go.

http://www.pslweb.org/site/News2?JServSessionIdr001=1v0y55fa52.app7b&page=NewsArticle&id=6321&news_iv_ctrl=1261



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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-27-07 09:41 PM
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14. At least Flake has a conscience on this issue
Castro is not a threat with the Cold War long over, and it doesn't make sense for a tiny group of Miami Cuban exiles to dictate our foreign policy. If I want to explore the historic sights in Havana or some of the beaches, then it should be my right to do so. Plus, the Cuban people will benefit greatly from an inflow of new revenue.
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