US major Cisco Systems to shift 20% of top brass to India

[ChromeFoundry]

New Delhi, Jan 07: Moving ahead from its image as an outsourcing destination of the IT industry, India is now becoming home to top brass of global giants in this space, with US networking giant Cisco Systems planning to shift at least 20 per cent of its top executives to the country.

The company, which has already announced plans to invest over one billion dollars in the country, sees India as a 'big opportunity' to implement its globalization strategy.

Cisco Systems' Chief Globalisation Officer Win Elfrink, who is shifting his base to India later this month, told from San Jose, California: "In the next 2-3 years, every function in the company will have at least 20 per cent of its top executives in India."

The majority of the company's primary business functions including sales, finance, hr, marketing, engineering and customer support will all be represented in India, through its globalization center, as well as in the US, Elfrink said.

http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=346357&ssid=54&sid=BUS


I'm sure this decision will go over like a fart in church with these execs...The same people that have stated that there is no talent left in the U.S.

[Pavulon]

1. Depends on what they are doing

If they are using it for regional development that is smart. A good bit of what they sell can support telecom as well as network.

However if support deteriorates it will not be tolerated.

[OhioChick]

2. It's about damn time

they started outsourcing these executives.

[Peace Patriot]

3. WHEN are we going to start PENALIZING corporations for doing this?

You outsource jobs and you pay through the teeth! Lose your corporate charter, have your assets seized for the public good, see your monopoly dismantled, or see your profits cut with draconian taxes until you get the point...

Enough is enough! Impeach Bush! Stop the war! Cut the military budget by 50%! And bust global corporate predators!

[OhioChick]

4. Hear, hear!

:toast:

[Pavulon]

5. Why should we punish

a company for following the law. Every major corporation in the world follows this model. It depends on what they do there. The market will punish them if their support slips. They dont make pc's. When people call tacs something is usually pretty wrong.

No elected party will do this.

[ChromeFoundry]

7. They are not outsourcing help desk positions!

Why is it that you think that only customer service, such as TAC is part of this move? No, Cisco does not make PCs... They make network infrastructure equipment "in China". They desire to be a Chinese company by the end of this decade. Why? because it is more profitable for the stock holders in the short-term. Same reason that they bought Linksys. This is a company that made it's billions mainly off of sales in the US by technology developed by employees in the US over the past 15 years, not too much different than Microsoft. Now, both of these companies yield record profits and reduce employee and manufacturing costs by off-shoring the work. I don't have a problem with a company manufacturing goods in a foreign country to support the market of "that" region, that makes sense. What I do have a problem is when so called US companies layoff US employees to hire cheap labor offshore and do not spread that cost savings onto the products. Companies that practice this type of business (Goodyear is a prime example of this) should not get the same benefits of US corporations.

[Pavulon]

9. San Jose

not china. They buy parts from all over the far east (like everyone else) and assemble in the us and Malaysia. Cisco manufactures some stuff here. Your linksys is not one of them. Equipment I have used from them was and still is made in California.

Linksys is a bullshit device used by end users. It is not used in data centers or for telecom.

Cisco designs and tools here. They do business in Czechoslovakia, Taiwan, all over. That is what companies do.

[ChromeFoundry]

13. China

"40 percent of Cisco's outsourced manufacturing will be done in China by the end of next year." -Jia-bin Duh, president of Cisco Systems (China) Networking Technology Co.

"He added that in addition to making equipment in China, Cisco plans to outsource much of its research and development to China."

http://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/stories/2005/06/20/daily32.html


No, Linksys is not usually part of a large datacenter... but it is a major player for corporate branch offices and the SOHO markets.. so it does have a major impact that is not "end user, bullshit" related. The Linksys Small Business Systems Business Unit now even offers smaller PBX systems with small business being the target audience. So yes, they are in the telecom market as well. http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2005/ts_111405.html

[PSPS]

17. No, China.

We just received a large shipment of managed switches and access points from Cisco, and they're all made in China.

[VegasWolf]

11. Yes, you are exactly correct. American corporation will move ANY job they get a

tax break for. The bottom line is the the CEO and brass's bonus depend on getting the bottom line right!!!

[Strelnikov_]

15. Agree. We Should Change The Law

In other words, tariffs.

American workers cannot compete with the mass of low-wage countries and hope to maintain any semblance of their current standard of living.

The CEO's are simply playing the game under the current rules. We shall change the rules.

[nine30]

6. Better still..

Lose your corporate charter, have your assets seized for the public good, see your monopoly dismantled, or see your profits cut with draconian taxes until you get the point."

Better still, have ALL corporations be taken over the by the govt. for the public good. Abolish free elections, install the Communist Party into power for good which will make sure everything always happens for the public good. Then we can all live in Utopia. And down the line demolish fancy homes, erect condominium only buildings, disband the military.. That's when America will REALLY be the envy of the world.

[ChromeFoundry]

10. You really are missing the point...

How does this scenario work for ya? I'll keep it in real basic terms just for you.

Let's say you are a female, you marry a man you love and trust.
You support your husband and help him excel at his job to make a better life for the both of you.
You care for the house and raise the kids for 12 years. You do jobs that you don't want to do, but know you have to do for the benefit of the family.
He runs off with his secretary and leaves you with 30K in credit card debt, 3 kids, no job.
The government give your ex-husband a tax break because he no longer has to support those damn expensive kids..and tell you to go to community college (without any assistance, of course) and get a damn job!

How is this any different.. but on a much grander scale???

[VegasWolf]

8. Before retirement I was in upper management is a large Silicon Valley corporation.

We all knew the game with India. We could get virtually free headcount by moving both engineering and support jobs to India. Our own government would give us tax-breaks for outsourcing American jobs, gotta luv those Republicans, and India would pay us to bring jobs into the country!!!! The net was virtually free headcount!!! Who could resist when you have to show quarterly profits to the shareholders? Everyone was doing it. From a management perspective, the problem was already solved. For years it had become way to expensive for junior engineers to move to Silicon Valley. We had to learn to do remote management. Employees became an IP address on the internet. Why couldn't that IP address be in some beneficial to the bottom line country. Outsourcing has destroyed the US. This country will never be the same. Brass is encouraged to relocate and not just to India, but Costa Rica and numerous other countries. The great American corporation has moved from the Henry Ford ideals to the cold blooded Republican profit at any cost ideals.

[Ezlivin]

14. IP Address = Indian Punjab Address?

That's what it appears to be nowadays.

[VegasWolf]

16. LOL! nt

[Virginia Dare]

12. They need to go train themselves out of their jobs...n/t

[cap]

18. families will want to come home in a few years..