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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:00 AM
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Wesley Clark to face Milosevic once more
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Wesley Clark to face Milosevic once more | 12:26 | B92
THE HAGUE -- Friday – Former NATO general Wesley Clark will appear at the trial of Slobodan Milosevic on Monday and Tuesday next week, though details of his testimony will only be known 48 hours later under restrictions set by the US government.
The US government will have 48 hours to review the transcript of his testimony before it is released to journalists and may request that certain parts be censored “in order to protect the national interests of the US”.
Much of the witness testimony will be given in private session, while two representatives of the US government will be present at all times.
Clark, who recently entered the race for US president, led the 78-day NATO bombing campaign of Yugoslavia in 1999. He claims to have spent dozens of hours in negotiations with Milosevic.
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kalian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:38 AM
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1. 48 hours later....?
Hmmm...censorship. How nice.
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Rainbows Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 12:44 PM
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4. Yeah and thers a lot to Censor ...
CIA-KLA-al Qaeda, not to mention Wesley's desire to bomb forward Russian observers. Imperialism comes with censorship, otherwise we lowly citizens might object to the immorality of our government.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 03:58 PM
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6. And now a word from the expert????
Wesley's desire to bomb forward Russian observers

If you're talking about Pristina, there are just too many threads debunking this junk to be bothered.

CIA-KLA-al Qaeda It must be wonderful to know everything, of course that is not the point of view of credible people without a smear agenda.

Imperialism comes with censorship If you are talking about bushco, it is all about keeping Clark's testimony against a dictator off the tv screens of average Americans.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:25 PM
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7. No one
on the many threads, EVER debunked the Pristina incident.

It happened, as even clark has admitted in his book. Just because it has been discussed many, many times, does not mean it was debunked.

Sorry, you just can't change history.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:35 PM
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8. Correct you can't change history and the chain of command
The US chain of command dictates that ONLY the civilian command gets to OKAY these orders. Clark's orders were from Washington. You don't think that is true? Okay, how about this, the same is not true for the British command, and although they had signed onto NATO's plan, they did change the plan.

Now that General (Ret.) Wesley Clark has announced his candidacy as a democratic contender for the title of president, conservatives have come out swinging. Many of these blows have been leveled below the belt, with a powerful amount of spin.

So that the fact that the orders came from Washington and were overturned by the British is incomprehensible....Here's one.

Allegation #1: Clark nearly started WWIII while serving as NATO commander in Kosovo.

This allegation is based on an account Clark writes about in Waging Modern War. Russian president Boris Yeltsin sent 200 Russian troops unannounced to the Pristina airport during the Kosovo conflict, intending to send thousands more. This move was met with critical response from NATO allies and the Russian press. Secretary William Cohen was quoted as saying it put the entire NATO operation at risk.

According to Associated Press reports, in a congressional hearing on July 1, 1999, Senator Olympia Snowe (R) from Maine asked General Clark why the NATO forces had been caught off guard by the Russians at Pristina, to which Clark replied ``We weren't caught off guard,'' Clark said. NATO had a plan to get to the airport first, he disclosed. ``We were prepared to respond, but decisions were made at levels above mine not to.''

When Clark learned that the Russians were en route to the Pristina airport, he claims to have phoned NATO Secretary General Javier Solana, who told him he must beat the Russians to the airport. The Pristina Airport was to be a strategic location for NATO operations (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/671495.stm). When Clark gave the command to British Lt. General Sir Michael Jackson to send in a contingent of paratroopers and occupy the airport, Jackson responded "I'm not going to start World War III for you." The plan was dropped and the Russians grabbed the Pristina airport unopposed. The Washington Post reported on June 25, 1999, that the British even provided the 200 Russian troops with food because they did not fear such a small force and couldn't understand Clark's concern.

According to the BBC report, produced after the incident, a senior Russian officer detailed how Russia had planned to send in thousands of troops to carve out its own sector of Kosovo independent of NATO control. Clearly that could have been a disaster and justifies Clark's rationale.

Anticipating that the Russians would send aircraft, Clark ordered tanks to occupy the Pristina runways and prevent the Russians from landing, which Clark claims was on orders from the Pentagon. The British again opposed him, and Jackson's superior told Clark that Clark's US superiors disavowed the plan. Clark says he was surprised to hear that but when he contacted the officials back at the Pentagon they told him to drop the plan. Instead, he contacted Hungary and other US allies in the region and requested them to deny the Russians the right to use their airspace. The allies complied, and the Russians' plan to carve out a non-NATO sector for themselves in Kosovo was thwarted.

Would Clark's plan to block the airways at Pristina have led to "WWIII"? Only if Yeltsin was incompetent. The tides had already turned for Milosevic, and clearly the US/NATO forces made far more valuable allies to Russia than Serbia.

Perhaps it should be noted that Lt. General Michael Jackson has his own skeletons. In 1972, he was one of three British commanders present when troops opened fire on Irish protestors, killing 13. Blair convened a new tribunal on "Bloody Sunday" in 1998, and the investigation is ongoing. Recently discovered documents written by Jackson are being examined to see whether they constitute a coverup. Perhaps General Jackson's involvement in this disastrous event impacted his perception of the Russian situation, filling him with undue concern that the situation at Pristina could quickly escalate, mirroring the havoc of 'Bloody Sunday.' It is difficult to rationalize why he would have imagined Yeltsin would start WWIII over what was later referred to by NATO, the US, and Russia as a minor issue.

One further comment for critics to consider. If the French had sent 200 troops unannounced to Baghdad Airport with plans to send thousands more during the middle of the Iraq War, what would have been the right thing for Franks to do about it?




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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 04:38 PM
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9. It still happened
And it still has not been debunked.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 07:17 PM
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13. Should be interesting....
to see how Clark handles Milosovich who will be the one to cross examine Clark.

Would love to see Bush in that seat instead..oh, yea, that's right! I forgot he can't find his dictators!

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Rainbows Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:26 PM
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11. Sorry, Damn few experts ...
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 06:49 PM by Rainbows
just a few of us who pay attention to centrist democrat (seventies republicans) policies. For a different perspective on the Balkan's you might try:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BIS111A.html
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO210A.html
No smear, just a different perspective of history, while watching the imperialism rampant in our own history. From our landing and the native americans to present, our country has been relentless.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:40 AM
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16. Site of Milosevic cheerleaders.Here they are IN THEIR OWN WORDS:

http://www.americanradioworks.org/features/kosovo/burning_evidence/story10.html
revenge. Several of the Serbian fighters who took part in burning Albanian bodies—including Dusko—expressed no remorse. In fact, Dusko only wishes he could have done more.

"Had it not been for the NATO bombing," he said, "I guarantee you we would have driven out all 2 million Albanians from Kosovo. ... You gotta know, Albanians are stupid. They're a dirty people. And this hatred has been around for 600 years. It will never go away. In 30 years, or whenever these NATO troops and these human rights monitors leave, we'll start fighting again."
****
"Is America ready for another Rhodes scholar from Arkansas?
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:06 AM
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14. Would 48-hr delay be imposed were Clark not running for Pres..?
I think not. He went from trusted General able to give testimony un-minded, to a threat to national security? I for one would really like to see what he has to say, and I would think it totally appropriate for C-span to air the video live.

Bush doesn't want Clark to get free airtime (the way the Bushes get, with Poppy Bush's war stories on CNN AGAIN last night) and a chance to look heroic.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:53 AM
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2. I read that Clark will be on CNN on Monday...
with Paula Zahn, will be interesting. I am glad there is some coverage of the fact that he is at the Hague, testifying, given the blackout by the Bush admin.
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 12:24 PM
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3. Doesn't it make you want to puke?
Read this:

He claims to have spent dozens of hours in negotiations with Milosevic.

Since all of the hours of negotiations are part of an absolute and verifiable record, the word "claims" is just a throw away attempt to insinuate that somehow Clark is talking trash.

Dozens???? How about over 150 hours.

I'm telling you RV, these people make me sick with their verbal games.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 12:48 PM
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5. Clark will deal with one war criminal now and another one next....
November!

:kick:
:kick:



:dem:
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reknewcomer Donating Member (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 05:09 PM
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10. Will Ramsey Clark be defendeng Milosevic?
Or is Ramsey too busy?
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joanski01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 06:45 PM
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12. Milosevic is defending himself.
He's his own lawyer. Why, I don't know.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 08:24 AM
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15. I would like to see Milosevic
cross-examining Clark. haha I have a feeling Clark's not going to be giving the sort of testimony Milosevic would like.

It'll be very interesting to see what comes of this. I'd say the less we hear about it the better Clark looked. If it's all over the news then somehow things turned so that Clark looks bad.

Julie
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-03 09:43 AM
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17. Clark's humanitarian record - as per Samantha Power :
Edited on Sun Dec-14-03 09:46 AM by robbedvoter
http://Blog.forclark.com/story/2003/11/28/81836/095

She details his efforts in behalf of the Dayton Peace Accords and his brilliant command of NATO forces in Kosovo. Her chapter on Kosovo ends, "The man who probably contributed more than any other individual to Milosvevic's battlefield defeat was General Wesley Clark. The NATO bombing campaign succeeded in removing brutal Serb police units from Kosovo, in ensuring the return on 1.3 million Kosovo Albanians, and in securing for Albanians the right of self-governance
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