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Nancy Waterman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 07:05 PM Original message |
French Panel Recommends Banning Head Scarves in Schools |
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Maple (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. Seems like |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 11:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Not common, thank God, and no sense |
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ThePeat (18 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Maybe good |
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Turley (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 06:23 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. She was let go |
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It was not a pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 09:50 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. You're right |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 09:58 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Except for licenses and passports |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 05:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
63. I guess you mean indicating one's religion on one's passport |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:03 PM Response to Reply #63 |
97. No, I don't care about the religion |
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Muesli (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 04:06 AM Response to Reply #97 |
104. How would you know |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 10:27 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. By IDing them |
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Bush loves Jiang (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-03 01:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
116. Bavaria's fundie territory... |
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wingnut (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 10:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
122. "Christian or Jewish symbols have of course NOT been banned." |
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Bush loves Jiang (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-23-03 01:40 AM Response to Reply #15 |
115. I could make a very inappropriate joke right now... |
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MrPrax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. I am confused... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
4. How is it different from requiring them? |
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Orangeone (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
5. I think |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 03:31 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. The majority of Muslim women in France want this ban |
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aeon flux (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. What about the many kids who hate wearing the scarves |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 03:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Currently the problem is handled like any other disciplinary problem |
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aeon flux (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:05 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Thanks for that |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 08:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Not a good deal |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 09:06 AM Response to Reply #16 |
70. Can One Not Be Anti-Religion and Protect Non-Secular Culture/Government? |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-11-03 11:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. kick because thinking is a good thing |
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aeon flux (333 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:14 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I like your sig! |
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fshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. A little history: |
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OldEurope (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 06:12 AM Response to Original message |
14. In Turkey too, neither teachers nor students are allowed to wear |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
17. Questions for those who think the ban is a good idea |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Simple |
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BenFranklinUSA (114 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:25 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. heehee |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:26 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. And they are in favor of liberating you from a dogma that says |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:34 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Actually I can choose... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Why do you oppose Muslim women having the choice? |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:40 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Because too many times... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Muslim women have the right to choose what they wish to wear |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. That's funny... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. I support choice |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I would hardly say... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 02:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. The journey of 1,000 miles begins with one step |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 09:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
72. Early 1990s Plane Hijacking |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. So should laws regarding women's dress be based on religion? |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:15 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I never said... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. That could be said of the decision to NOT wear a scarf, and of you too |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:30 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Honestly... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:58 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Probably no one wanted to seem rude or insulting to you, and |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 02:09 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. You are correct that... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 03:05 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I believe you are sincere, but legislating women's clothing |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I still disagree with you about whether... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. How can you ever tell? |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. I love debating this kind of thing... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 04:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Many women feel the same in traditional societies |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 05:16 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. It's a very hard row to hoe... |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 06:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
65. That was me :) |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 05:42 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Neither of you is willing to empower the women to make that determination |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 01:41 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. DuctapeFatwa, you're really getting rather carried away |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:03 AM Response to Reply #57 |
75. LOL do you think so? |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:49 AM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Do you mean when the law might affect me personally? |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:56 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. I mean when someone says that you or your sister/wife/daughter |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:02 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Well, my sister has been a food worker and that's already happened to her |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:13 AM Response to Reply #84 |
88. Food service sanitation rules are not the issue here |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:33 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. You're misreading me |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:47 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. You are still trying to have a different argument |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:57 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. I'm trying to debate the real issue at hand |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:30 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. You are not going to like this, but |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 05:35 AM Response to Reply #100 |
105. Okay, let's look at your arguments. |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 06:24 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. DF- Well said. |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:07 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. Thanks! :) |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 02:20 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. The comparison with the Taliban is rather offensive |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 09:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
74. Legislating women's clothing is indeed offfensive |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:35 AM Response to Reply #74 |
80. No the question is not scarves and women's right to choose |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:05 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. That is exactly what it is - legislating scarves on women's heads |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:15 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. So what is your feeling about dress codes in US schools... |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
95. This should really be a separate thread, but here goes |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. You did not really address my question |
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:44 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I think that they are silly and counter-productive but not relevant |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-14-03 11:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Well, try looking at this from a less Americano-centric point of view |
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PsychoDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 05:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
64. I'm sorry, but... |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:12 AM Response to Reply #64 |
87. No Islam is not monolithic |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 07:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
67. Velma, you keep missing the point |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 09:38 AM Response to Reply #67 |
73. If You Think It's *Totally* About Choice |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Nice |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Wearing a crucifix is different... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I disagree |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:46 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Actually they aren't... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. If I can wear it, I am entitled to |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. No, it is about culture |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:42 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Religion is practiced differently in different places |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. What gives the religious leaders... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You answered your own question |
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VelmaD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 02:00 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. I just finished responding to... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 02:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. They have a choice |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 02:29 AM Response to Reply #43 |
60. Why do you care what the French do? |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 04:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
62. France is a secular republic |
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lapislzi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 12:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Why only women? Why not men? |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
83. skull caps are banned too |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 01:58 AM Response to Reply #17 |
58. This ban on ostentatious religious symbols... |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 07:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
68. What is the difference between this and the USSR? |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:13 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Cheswick |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:18 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. The Thing to Worry About, IMO |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 10:24 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Read the link I just posted above |
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playahata1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 11:31 AM Response to Reply #68 |
110. The Muslim boys' caps are called KUFIS. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:29 AM Response to Reply #58 |
90. Is there a link for this? |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:51 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. Well, polls are not democratic of course |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:02 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. I believe that's lesser than 25% |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 12:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Merci |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-12-03 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
38. heard in 90-01 on NPR that Islam is the 2nd largest religious |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 02:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
61. True |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
69. this must be seen in the French context... |
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Muddleoftheroad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 09:21 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. The French context |
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GinaMaria (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-13-03 11:06 AM Response to Reply #69 |
86. It effects the French Jewish population too |
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Djinn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 01:12 AM Response to Reply #86 |
103. a few points |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 10:18 AM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Hi |
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Spentastic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 10:53 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Well said Paschall |
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Orangeone (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 03:22 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. I agree |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 08:25 PM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Because it's our style of life and... |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-16-03 01:00 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Three quickies |
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Paschall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-16-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. Hey, Spentastic |
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Isere (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 12:53 PM Response to Reply #106 |
119. Thank you for the link and the excellent discussion |
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BonjourUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 06:01 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Merci, but I renouce to continue any discussion about this topic |
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Isere (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-25-03 09:45 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Perhaps it is impossible, but don't give up |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-15-03 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
109. Eu anti-semitism = 65% saying Israel is biggest threat for world peace |
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drdigi420 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
117. Is everyone missing the point? |
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ddye (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-24-03 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
118. Hypocrisy? |
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