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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:48 AM
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Nader on DemocracyNow! Now
Discussing running for President in 2004.

www.democracynow.org
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:52 AM
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1. Nader: I am exploring the possibilities...
Citing Dennis K. quite often...
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swittersnc Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:56 AM
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2. now, you want to talk about
handing the presidency back to the republicans...
let nader split the dem vote again.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 09:57 AM
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3. Whatever. When Dennis Pulls Out Nader's Ego Will Make Him Run
I doubt he'll even get half the votes he got in 2000 and the repukes will fall all over themselves contributing big bucks to his campaign and feeding his (and their) ego.

AWOL is losing his stronghold on repukes. Lot's of repukes are over him and will stay home in 2004 or vote for the dem candidate. That plus at least half of nader votes for the dems will assure a dem landslide. So, let the repukes rejoice that nader may be running. let them donate their hard earned cash to his campaign and glut and gloat. The tidal wave will drown their sorrows next november.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:08 AM
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4. If we run a weak divisive candidate like Dean, Nadir will get more votes
ABD
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:12 AM
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6. Then this nation truy deserves what it gets...
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:28 PM
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26. Been saying this all along.
We do deserve what we get.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:13 AM
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7. and your candidate smells bad
what boring tripe.
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Polemonium Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:31 AM
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12. Wrong
As a green who knows many greens Dean gets more green votes. Why - a percieved populist apparently listening to the left is far better than anything else that may come out of this election.
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:13 PM
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15. Total BS
For a lot of people, its Kucinich, Dean, or a 3rd party.
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Racenut20 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:08 AM
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5. That would be called a "pipedream"
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:13 PM
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14. I'm a Green, and I would probably not vote for Nader
Maybe he can do something smart like take the Republican money, run a campaign against Bush, and then support the Dem before the election.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 01:30 PM
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23. That's EXACTLY What He Needs To Do
if he were really doing what is best for america. it's a perfect plan and the repukes would never see it coming.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:06 PM
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24. I think if the Greens really want to run somebody
it should be someone other than Nader. I think he is bigger than the party and does it a disservice --- I think a lot of progressives might be more inclined to take the Greens seriously and be more receptive to their platform if their nominee was not someone they loathed.
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Iverson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:24 PM
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25. on the right track
I agree with you that if the Greens field a candidate, as is most likely, it should be someone other than Nader. However, the basis that Nader is a pariah among Democrates is not a good one, since any Green candidate could become so by definition.

A stronger case to me is that Greens should prefer to run a candidate who is actually a member of the party. This would also be consistent with a belief in bottom-up organization.

Cheers.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:24 AM
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8. So?
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NaderIsMyHero Donating Member (80 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:34 AM
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9. Dream TEAM....DEAN(pres.)..Clark(vp or Sect. State)...Nader(Atty. Gen)
What do you think? I could see Ralph also as head of the EPA...restoring it to what it was designed to do....by the way you do realize with out Ralph there would be no EPA,OSHA,FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT,CLEAN AIR ACT,CLEAN WATER ACT...AD INFINIUM.
WHAT A TEAM THOUGH DEAN,CLARK,NADER!!!! APPEALING TO EVERY WING EXCEPT THE FAR RIGHT!!!!
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:37 AM
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10. Go Ralph!
This will force the Democrats to be honest to core, Democratic party principles.
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 10:56 AM
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11. Maybe McCain Will Run As An Independant. Wouldn't THAT Be Fun!
We should write him a letter
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:36 PM
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28. I called McCain's office and asked he run against Bu$h, thinking
that if worse came to worse, he would be better than bu$h.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:17 PM
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16. Why?
What I keep hearing from people who voted for Nader in 2000 and don't regret the decision is that Nader didn't have any effect on the outcome of the election. If that's the case, why would Nader running again have any effect this time either and "force" the Democrats to do anything?
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dmkinsey Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 11:38 AM
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13. Not that scared
I'm really not afraid of Nader. IF he runs he will get even fewer votes than he got in 2000. A lot of Dems voted for him but they've wised-up now. IMO,He'll only get his hard-core supporters and they are few and unlikely to vote Dem either way.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:18 PM
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17. My thoughts exactly
Nader's big moment was three years ago. I know very few people who voted for him last time who say they would do it again.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:27 PM
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18. Is this "no difference between Republicans and Democrats" Nader
The guy is total joke.
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LittleDannySlowhorse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:39 PM
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19. Yep
No difference between Bush and Gore. Gore would certainly have gone for the doctrine of pre-emption and alienated the entire international community. He also would have pushed for "faith-based initiatives". Yep, no difference between those two. He would also have pulled out of the Kyoto treaty and enacted the "Clear Skies" initiative. And he also would have appointed John Ashcroft as attorney general. Yep, no difference between those two.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 01:06 PM
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22. The filthy rePIGlicans want to get rid of overtime and take us back
to the days of sweat shops. And the Democrats on the whole are against it.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 12:54 PM
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20. "Democratic party still a corporate party"
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 01:05 PM
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21. Yes, but its not like the rePIGlicans, and once we get one in we can
lobby for change towards the left. Dean is not a corportist; his money has come from ordianary citizens.
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PlanetBev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 02:41 PM
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27. No reason to be afraid of a Nader run this time
Those people who are going to vote for him could never be persuaded to vote for a Democrat anyway, unless it was Dennis Kucinich. If they have no intention to vote for a Democrat, we aren't losing any votes, anyway. Also, as previously mentioned on this board, after the damage Bush has done in the last three years, I think he'll get a lot less votes this time. In three years, we have a lot more dead Iraqis, US and coalition soldiers, and a lot more people without legs, arms and eyes.
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 04:39 PM
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29. I really hope you are correct. I don't think I can emotionally tolerate
4 more years of G.W. Bush. Everyday that I read the news, he has done some new and horrible thing to eleminate the middle class and create a big Latin American style Fascist government. I dream about what he is doing to the country at night. lol But not really lol, and I hear I am not alone.
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