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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 03:40 PM
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Reuters: Mexico deputies scuffle in Congress in fraud protest
Mexico deputies scuffle in Congress in fraud protest
28 Nov 2006 20:06:44 GMT
Source: Reuters

MEXICO CITY, Nov 28 (Reuters) - Rival deputies scuffled on the floor of Mexico's
Congress on Tuesday as leftist lawmakers tried to take the podium to protest
President-elect Felipe Calderon's inauguration this week.

Leftists from the Party of the Democratic Revolution, who say Calderon won July's
presidential election by fraud, have vowed to prevent the conservative from being
sworn in at a ceremony in Congress on Friday.

The leftists and lawmakers from Calderon's National Action Party pushed and shouted
at each other in the chamber of deputies.

The speaker of the chamber, Jorge Zermeno, suspended the session.

-snip-

Full article: http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28271086.htm
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 03:57 PM
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1. Mexico is becoming ungovernable through fraud and oppression. Is
anyone noticing this?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:12 PM
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2. You bet I'm noticing it. But I think order is being RESTORED by the protests,
not the other way around (--making it ungovernable--ungovernable for whom?).

I perceived this after a lot of research into the protests in Oaxaca. That five-month protest started in June when the fascist Gov. Ruiz brutally assaulted striking teachers, but the history of it goes back to the 2004 election, which most local people believe was fraudulent. (I don't know what all the facts about that are, but I've read reports that Ruiz's paramilitaries were active even then, beating up people for voting). So the disorder starts right there--with a fraudulent election. When Ruiz's police forces assaulted the teachers in the middle of the night (the strikers were camping out), the entire community rose up in protest, demanded his resignation, and proceeded to form an alternative state government, under the "customs and rules" laws (based on ancient indigenous rules of governance). They held long community meetings, with broad participation--teachers, local elders, workers, small farmers, other community leaders--formed their own institutions, and barricaded the capitol city off from Ruiz and his hit squads. The community's behavior was entirely peaceful and orderly. They were RESTORING order, not creating disorder. For instance, they banned guns from their midst, and their leaders have constantly exhorted people to remain calm but firm, and to give no provocation to violence. Over the months, at least 17 people have been shot dead by Ruiz's paramilitaries (including, recently, fotojournalist Brad Will, who caught the perps--Ruiz police in plain clothes--on his camera as he died). Hundreds have been kidnapped, raped, tortured and disappeared. And until the Fox/Calderon government recently staged a military invasion of Oaxaca--not to stop Ruiz's violence or force him to resign--but to crush this peaceful, local democracy movement--the protesters did NOTHING to retaliate, even under extreme provocation. With the federal Darth Vader cops invading the town, and especially the Autonomous University of Benito Juarez (where they have no right to be), some youngsters threw rocks, firecrackers and molotov cocktails--against a large military force with tanks, assault rifles, helicopters--the lot--who were gassing the town with CS gas, and joined in the assault on peaceful townspeople, treating them like criminals (and treating them in ways that not even criminals should be treated--invading homes, dragging people out, beating them, taking them away to unknown locations). There is plenty of evidence that the federales under Fox/Calderon's orders are in cahoots with Ruiz paramilitaries. They are hunting down and 'disappearing' the protest leaders--the people of the town. Even so, the alternative government--APPO--led by the teachers, continues to urge no retaliation, no violence, and the incidents involving protesters throwing objects were quite limited, mainly at the university (where they did stop the invasion by the federal troops).

What we have here is something like the civil rights movement, with the main part of the population engaging in non-violent civil disobedience, against the very oppressive state government. Martin Luther King's marches and protests were called "disruptive" in their day. But they really represented ORDER, as opposed to the disorder to segregation and bigotry. These peaceful protests drew violence down upon them, but the people who were marching and protesting did not instigate violence, simply by expressing their opinion and demanding their rights as citizens--their right to vote, and their right not to be excluded from schools and restaurants and "whites only " drinking fountains, because of the color of their skin.

Similarly, the Oaxacans are entitled to good government, to not be ruled by thugs, and to be able to negotiate with government, like any citizens, over their needs (such as a pay raise for teachers), and over government policy. Their main demand right now is that Ruiz resign. He has lost all legitimacy. They will never be ruled by him. But in this case, the federal government did not act to protect the rights of its citizens. It entered the controversy on the side of the killers!

With this context--and also the widespread belief in Mexico that Calderon's own election was fraudulent, and that Lopez Obrador was elected president--consider the legislators who wouldn't let Calderon be sworn into office in front of them. Calderon had just sent a federal army into Oaxaca to brutalize the town. At least three more people have been killed in Oaxaca in the last few days. Frankly, I dreamed of such a congressional protest when Bush was fraudulently re-elected in 2004. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE had been slaughtered in Iraq, in the initial bombing alone. Prisoners were being tortured, in violation of laws and treaties. Cheney's company Halliburton was stealing money hand over fist in Iraq. And there were already volumes of evidence of a stolen election. But it was not to be. Our Congress could not even be roused to protest the outrageous violations of the Voting Rights Act in Ohio. Only the Black Caucus took action, joined by Senator Barbara Boxer. The rest of Congress sat on their fat asses and let this criminal regime get re-installed.

So, I salute the Mexican legislators who raised this ruckus. Sometimes order is not real order, but the grim silence of oppression. And sometimes apparent disorder is necessary to put things right. Better to shout Calderon down, and deny him the stage--than to endorse his assault on the people of Oaxaca, and to acquiesce to a stolen election.
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smomfr Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:40 PM
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3. ¨Calderon had just sent a federal army into Oaxaca to brutilize
the people¨.
#1. Calderone has no power to send anyone any where until he is sworn in as president this friday.
#2. Fox sent in federal police, not federal army, to take back the city from anarchists.
#3. Did you happen to catch the 94 year old lady on Mexican TV this morning. She was crying her eyes
out after anarchists burned out her apartment along with many possessions she had since she was young (antiques.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:59 PM
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4. The goons in the Mexican oligarchy rule through fraud and oppression. They themselves
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 06:00 PM by John Q. Citizen
are making Mexico ungovernable. Eventually people will say enough is enough and they are saying this.

If you want to blame the powerless for the situation, then of course you will.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:33 PM
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6. And you think these "anarchists" are part of APPO?
If there are "anarchists" running around setting to fire to homes or other buildings, I think we can be very sure that they are in the pay of the same fascist paramilitaries who have killed at least 17 people, and inflicted beatings, rapes, kidnappings and detention at undisclosed locations on many more.

The people who are protesting are townspeople. Teachers, small farmers, community elders, workers of every kind, local students. They would never burn peoples' homes, or any building in their town--and neither would they tolerate anybody who would. But in the ANARCHY that the Fox/Calderon federal troops have created, any sort of agents provocateur can be introduced. APPO no longer has control of the situation. While they did, their actions were entirely peaceful. Their town has been invaded by gun-toting, tank driving, CS-gassing Darth Vader police--coming in on the side of murderers and torturers. And one would have to be very naive to think that those giving them orders would be above colluding with arsonists to justify crushing this entirely peaceful and orderly protest.

I take your point that it was Fox's orders--not Calderon's. But surely, as president-elect, Calderon was consulted and, if he had objections to this fascist repression, could have stopped it. He may not have given the orders, but he must have agreed to it.

I am very sorry for the elderly woman whose house was burned. But I will never, never, never believe that APPO had anything to do with that.

You know, we had "anarchists" like this show up in Seattle in 1999, where 50,000 people peacefully assembled to protest the WTO meeting, and peacefully shut down that anti-democratic group, in the most awesome, well-organized, massive, civil disobedience protest I have ever witnessed. The Darth Vader troops laid into the protesters all day long--shooting pepper spray hoses at the heads of seated, peaceful demonstrators--and many other horrible acts--with no retaliation. It got so frustrating for those giving the orders that they let loose a bunch of "anarchists" in downtown Seattle--the black-masked youths, again--who began breaking windows and burning trash cans late in the day. I remember seeing protesters trying to STOP them from breaking a window--stood in front of a corporate window with their bodies, to physically block the "anarchists." The "anarchists" ran wild doing this stuff--with no arrests! The police left the trouble-makers alone, and went after the protesters, the peaceful people--in a full scale police riot, with billy clubs and CS gas everywhere. They went rampaging into city neighborhoods and even beat up a city councilman! And guess what's the first thing on the TV news that night? --an "anarchist" foot through a window! Not the 50,000 and their entirely peaceful protest. But the action of the agents provocateur. Thus, the police army beating up on the peaceful was justified!

The police riot was later exposed in city of Seattle hearings, and the police chief was forced to resign. But you never heard about that in our corporate news monopoly press. It was all about the terrible window breaking and trash cans on fire.

You say "Mexican TV." I have a question: Do you know who owns this TV station? Is it part of a monopoly? Whose? What other investments do they have? And what is their record for telling the truth of things? Also, how do you know who burned the house? And how does the 94 year old lady know who burned it (if she said "anarchists")?

You are not at all suspicious of this story? (--not of the old lady, and the fact that the house was burned--but of the framing of the story?)

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:06 PM
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5. Bravo for the Mexican freedom fighters.
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