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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:06 AM
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Gingrich raises alarm at event honoring those who stand up for freedom of speech

http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Gingrich+raises+alarm+at+event+honoring+those+who+stand+up+for+freedom+of+speech&articleId=d3f4ee4e-1e90-475a-b1b0-bbcd5baedd78

Gingrich raises alarm at event honoring those who stand up for freedom of speech

MANCHESTER – Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich yesterday said the country will be forced to reexamine freedom of speech to meet the threat of terrorism.

Gingrich, speaking at a Manchester awards banquet, said a "different set of rules" may be needed to reduce terrorists' ability to use the Internet and free speech to recruit and get out their message.

"We need to get ahead of the curve before we actually lose a city, which I think could happen in the next decade," said Gingrich, a Republican who helped engineer the GOP's takeover of Congress in 1994.

Gingrich spoke to about 400 state and local power brokers last night at the annual Nackey S. Loeb First Amendment award dinner, which fetes people and organizations that stand up for freedom of speech.

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:07 AM
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1. Fuck. Him.
:argh:
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OKthatsIT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:01 AM
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21. He's a SNAKE in the grass....EVIL
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:06 PM
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41. Sure, Newt, just what the Nation needs more adventures of cover up
The man is so frighteningly desperate to continue to push the Republican agenda,
even he is in denial....surprise, Newtie,...THE JIG IS UP!

You can take your PNACers, your Contract With America players, your 1,000 Points of Light, and
take your pick...either, stick em where the sun don't shine, or cool your heels in prison manned
by Iraqi guards.

IDIOT!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:08 AM
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2. So, he's at a freedom of speech awards dinner and says we need to curb free speech.
:crazy:fucker.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:39 AM
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24. Bush went to Vietnam and said, "We could have kicked your ass if we REALLY wanted to..."
So sure, why not?

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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:35 PM
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40. He didn't fucking KICK anyone's ass
He DODGED the fucking draft

Like Cheney and Lieberman he is a FUCKING DRAFT DODGER.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:01 PM
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45. The Vietcong never attacked Texas. That's how awesome a job Bush did! n/t
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:55 PM
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82. Yes I'm suitably impressed
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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:45 AM
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25. Nah, he was probably really saying
that free speech needs to be curtailed for everyone except the rich. That would probably have been OK with almost everyone in the room.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:47 AM
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27. Ahhh. Thanks for clearing that up. Things are becoming so crystal today.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:09 AM
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3. He should go bomb himself
or at least get back on the meds that kept him semi-quiescent since his resignation from Congress until recently
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bearfan454 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:10 AM
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4. He's just another right wing nut job piece of shit.
That's all he will ever be.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:10 AM
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5. And the free republic freak show will jump onboard
Lets just destroy the first amendment. Fuck it, lets destroy the whole constitution and replace it with "conservative" law. yeah, that's the ticket. Who the fuck needs freedom after all? Its just a sissy liberal idea.

I wonder how many free republic members give their sons to limbaugh to fuck to keep him tuned up to provide them with their fantasies of death, destruction and despair.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:23 AM
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15. what's funny about that...
The Freeps will gladly give up our First Amendment rights but mess with their Second Amendment rights and watch all hell break loose...
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itsmesgd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:11 AM
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6. Fascist Alarm
Holy crap one of the machine actually shows his cards. Let's hope that we can mobilize in 08 like we did earlier this month.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:12 AM
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7. Put a ball gag in his fat mouth already. HIS freedom of speech should
absolutely be curtailed, immediately.
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yojon Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:13 AM
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8. Irony Deficiency
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:13 AM by yojon
"Gingrich spoke to about 400 state and local power brokers last night at the annual Nackey S. Loeb First Amendment award dinner, which fetes people and organizations that stand up for freedom of speech."

I assume this means that he stood up, unzipped his fly and pissed all over freedom of speech. I wonder what foamheads in the Nackey S. Loeb First Amendment Committee had the bright idea of inviting this nazi..
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:17 AM
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23. Feeling sorry for Newt, maybe?
"I wonder what foamheads in the Nackey S. Loeb First Amendment Committee had the bright idea of inviting this nazi.."

Maybe they were feeling sorry for him from the time his choice for head of the Library of Congress got torpedoed for saying something unpopular? I can't find the exact quote right now, but it was along the lines of "It's important that we study the rise of power of the Nazis so that we can understand why people did what they did". Neo-cons were horrified at the idea that the people of Nazi Germany were human, and that we should try to understand their point of view...

Also, to his credit, he had a great deal to do with putting a lot of the paperwork of the government online and accessible to the public.

None of which takes away from the fact that he wants to gut the First Amendment; but then again, saying so is his First Amendment right... If only more of the fascists could be so transparent.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:19 AM
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74. I'm surprised they let him leave unmolested
Where's the tar and feathers when you need them?

You don't even need to heat up a caldron anymore. Some spray-on automotive undercoat allows for E-Z application, then throw on a bucket of styrofoam peanuts.

Then throw him in the nearest river. I'll bet with all the styrofoam he's float really nicely.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:16 AM
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9. Of all the people they could get to speak at this event...
why would they pick a low life like Gingrich. Also, his comment regarding religion, "He also said court rulings over separation of church and state have hurt citizens' ability to express themselves and their faith.", doesn't make any sense. How have citizens ability to express their faith been hurt. As far as I know anyone in this country can talk about their faith all day long. He is such a slimy has been and I wish he would fade away into the sunset.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:20 PM
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68. This is like asking Hitler to speak at the AIPAC convention
The GOP is a criminal enterprise that is hell-bent on imposing a theocracy in America, much as the Taliban did in Afghanistan.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:17 AM
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10. Terra! Terra! Terra!
Arrogant asshole still thinks he can be President.
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reichstag911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:20 AM
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11. Uh, Newt,...
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 10:20 AM by reichstag911
...we have lost a city. Perhaps you've heard of New Orleans...and Katrina...and Brownie?
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:22 AM
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12. what is it that makes a human being become such slime?
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mallard Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:28 PM
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65. Live Free Or Die,
Gink Neutrage

Wrong message. Wrong venue!
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:22 AM
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13. The double speak of the neocons
War is peace, we must give up freedom to be free. On the rare off chance that terrorist might attack us, (because we have not secured the borders, ports or developed a working plan to attack terrorism - and have actually sold the major US ports to money laundering helpmates of terrorists.) we need to stop any free speech especially if criticizes us. Of course the likes of Limpball and Fake News can still spew out their hate and corroding angst.

We just wont look at the city we did lose to neocon policy - New Orleans.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:23 AM
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14. It looks like they're planning on San Francisco.
Gov. Jeb Bush joked during a Florida Cabinet meeting Wednesday that the people of San Francisco may be endangered and, ''That's probably good news for the country.''

The subject was environmental land and Bush was looking at a map showing locations with a lot of different wildlife.

''It looks like the people of San Francisco are an endangered species, which may not be a bad thing. That's probably good news for the country.''

People in the room broke into laughter.

''Did I just say that out loud?'' the governor asked.


http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=5025&catcode=33
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:00 PM
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37. I've suspected for many years that "They" would target SF. n/t
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VenusRising Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:08 AM
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75. Someone should put Jeb back in that closet he was chased into.
Lock the door and lose the key.
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Beausoleil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:16 PM
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84. When sea levels rise
Florida is more endangered than SF, Jeb. Good thing you probably don't believe in global warming, so just stay where you are.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:31 AM
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16. We already lost a city Newt. New Orleans.
And it had absolutely nothing to do with limiting free speech.

It had everything to do with bleating fat mouthed lying conservative segregationists like Newt Gingrich.
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:34 PM
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32. That's what I was gonna say. nt
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:35 AM
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17. So we'll give up all those nasty freedoms that the terrorists hate
and then they'll wuv us and want to be our friends...

:sarcasm:
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:50 AM
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18. So losing a city is bad?
Wow. Did they know that before Katrina?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:43 PM
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87. And if it happens, we know who to blame, don't we?
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budkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:54 AM
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19. Worthless Newt
Gotta say something to get attention I guess.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:58 AM
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20. If these were the Colonial Days, Gingrich would've been a Loyalist
and screamed "TERRORISM!!" at the Boston Tea Party.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:13 AM
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22. Way to go, Newtie.
You do that and the terrorists WIN.

Get it?? They WIN.

Asshole. :mad:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:47 AM
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26. mushroom clouds, mushroom clouds, mushroom clouds, mushroom clouds
a strict constructionists blames the First Amendment for this danger???
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 12:02 PM
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29. Strict constructionist my ass... these people are fascists,
and I'm sick of too many people tiptoeing around that word.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:44 PM
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44. Strict constructionists must think the Founders were morons.
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 06:45 PM by tabasco
The Founders were truly a brilliant group of men who solved as many problems as they could and provided us with a framework to make changes and improve our country. Strict constructionists must think the Founders were stupid, thinking that they could create a static society.
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spillthebeans Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:01 AM
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71. they also could be called terrorists
I wonder what the PNAC guys have on their minds now
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:53 AM
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28. terrorism?
"We need to get ahead of the curve before we actually lose a city, which I think could happen in the next decade" said Gingrich.

What does this rat think terrorism is? it isn't dissent or just violence. It's using violence and force to terrify and oppress the people. Terrorism is using power to restrict the potential and freedom of an individual. It is attacking free speech and politics on the internet as only more dangerous weapons for terrorists to use.

Freedom of speech...isn't it terrible that an American can't be imprisoned for speaking out against organizations like the Department of Homeland Security or the World Bank?
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blue sky at night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 02:17 PM
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30. living on fear........
not gonna do it.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:18 PM
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31. Anyone catch this Key sentence from Newt Gingrich from his speech in NH??
"We have clearly failed in the last three years to achieve the kind of outcome we want."

Well, well, well, Speaker Gingrich.

Shouldn't Iraq be about, oh, I dunno...WHAT IRAQIS WANT?!?!?!?


:mad:

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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:32 PM
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66. And it's largely been because of the internet
that they've "failed to achieve the kind of outcome they want". So of course he wants to limit people's access to the internet. A controlled media, spoon feeding people in a one-way dialog, where people like him get to decide what is news and what needs to be buried, is the only thing they can abide. The internet scares the bejesus outa these fossils...
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Last Stand Donating Member (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 12:55 PM
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83. The Internets are why they lost the House and Senate.
And don't think they don't know it. Howard Dean, MoveOn.org, DU and others are the only true threat to total media consolodation which would render all other battles moot. THEY ARE COMING after it. They want the Internet and they want to further consolodate the media and the message.

Global warming, eVoting, corruption--everything!--will become invisible if we don't stop them from further restricting our voice. Bet on it. This is where we need to concentrate.
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:41 PM
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33. Gingrich on free speech in the Clinton era
go back to sleep, Newt

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/12/gingrich/index.html

Gingrich blamed Hollywood and computerized games for "undermining the core values of civility -- and it's time they were stopped by a society that values free speech enough to protect it."

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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:44 PM
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34. Bookmarked and Nominated.
This Douche-bag should never be President.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:48 PM
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35. Before the election this
would have scared me. With the "good guys" in charge of both houses bush can't do it.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 04:56 PM
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36. Tell ya what, Newt - you first. STFU. n/t
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:40 AM
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69. That's the best response I think I've seen to this.
Anyone who hates the First Amendment, like Newt, needs to stop exercising his or her First Amendment rights in order to show us how it's done.

C'mon, Newtie. It's your patriotic duty. Shut up for the Gipper.
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buddysmellgood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:01 PM
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38. We lost New Orleans, he didn't seem too upset about that.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 05:31 PM
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39. Bah!
Who gives a crap what Newt Gingrich thinks.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:18 PM
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42. Whata schmuck.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 06:38 PM
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43. Go live in Saudi Arabia, Newt, you coward.
You think a lot like them.

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MAX 1 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 08:41 PM
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46. A M E R I C A
Edited on Tue Nov-28-06 09:04 PM by MAX 1
In a land defined not only by borders but by laws that create equalities and the granting of Rights, America has always been viewed as a nation that possesses much promise. Over a century ago that promise was termed the "American dream" and waves of immigrants poured into this great and promising nation. The great wars, WWI and WWII were the wars to end all wars, where America defended the rights of the people against oppressors of the less fortunate. A growing movement a generation later sought to fight for all humanities rights, and justice seemed to be prevailing. America became the land of the Free, home of the Brave, where Justice reigned supreme.

Land of the Free.
, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The future rested in the hands of men, so oppressed by a government that seized upon opportunity to take advantage of it's colonies to the degree that the people of this land became enslaved to that government, that they took it upon themselves to resist that oppressor and "throw off" it's form of governance so as to establish their own, making them the truest patriots America has ever seen. From their hard work and commitment, they forged out a new Republic and called it the United States of America. And with the creation of this institution, they granted to the people, that which the former King would not, unalienable rights. Rights that no man can nor should be allowed to restrict at any time, least they become the oppressor to the Rights that WE THE PEOPLE are granted by our Founders.

. It is time to now debate what "other" freedoms need to come under attack by our own people.

Yes, the Land of the Free is no longer a land where it is recognized what is self evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This has given way to an alternate thought; that there are those that don't rise up to that level and can and seeingly arguably should be refused their rights. And in this light of wisdom, it is advisable by these thinkers to recuse themselves of any liability to the actions of their thoughts, just in case they have to be held to some degree of accountability if they are found needing to be held in contempt for any grievances against this Declaration of Rights. In other words, they hold themselves outside the realms this self evident moment that our Founders recognized. They hold themselves unequaled to ALL MEN.

I declare at this moment, that those that fail to fight and protect for our unalienable Rights as Americans are not advocates for America nor Her citizens but are subverts to America and her way of life. They argue that somehow, since 9/11, things have changed. What they mean to say and should be questioned and questioned often is that somehow our Founders got it all wrong 230 years ago. That for this past 230 years these freedoms were too free and granted too much Liberty to ALL MEN. That there must be degrees of equality that grant you your freedom accordingly. Those that propagate this mindset are not patriots for America but instead are rebels against America. Treasonous to varying degrees based upon their social and political status. They seek to return America to Her former self; a land ruled by TYRANNY.

Home of the Brave

How brave must have been our Founders to have forged a Nation, free from it's oppressive Authoritarian tyrant King George, into becoming a Nation where freedom and Liberty is respected above all things. To fight against an oppressor that out manned, out gunned, and was economically superior to that of oneself requires great courage and conviction. And to do all this not on some foreign land where the home populace is disconnected but instead on your own parcel of land where it is your neighbor that you assist in defending, one must not only be brave, one must be a Patriot to the cause. Independance.

When a time where ALL MEN were not treated equally based upon their race, freedom once again reigned. Emancipation enforced that freedom spirited pride which American Patriots fought for again. America had Her Civil War and many brave soldiers went to their deaths to preserve and protect against agitators to the American principle that was self evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The Two Great Wars were subsequently fought abroad not to protect America from agitators, but instead to free those oppressed by agitators to the greater principles concerning life, Liberty, and Justice for all. That ALL MEN meant ALL MEN. This was not an exclusionary term to mean just Americans, but ALL MEN became affected by treaties and agreements entered into by America, domestically or abroad. Freedom.

A little more than a half a century past the end of these Two Great Wars, Americans found that the battles to end all wars really established the dominance of a new American principle. Born out of the need to affect change for ALL PEOPLE, the world has seen great threats such as Nazism and Communism crumble into fragments that are now viewed globally as the most offensive oppressors out there to ALL MANKIND. This American principle was considered the "standard" of measurement to which the degree of oppressiveness was held up against. The bravery and patriotic resonance carried with it the stamp of approval or disapproval. And it was always America that came courageously forward to fight for the rights of ALL MEN.

The last decade has not seen this action from America. Where the rights for ALL MEN are protected, preserved, and fought for. Instead what the world has seen coming out of America is not bravery nor is it courageous. The need for the restriction and limitation of the Rights granted to ALL MEN.

I declare at this moment, America is no longer the Home of the Brave but instead a shelter dominated by cowards. So afraid of human rights and of their own Constitution they take upon themselves to seek out a necessity to usurp those Rights that are self evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That in doing so, limiting and restricting those Rights to those they deem privileged enough to be granted them, they proclaim themselves warriors and champions of Rights and Liberties because they recuse of themselves the ability to be a Patriot to the American principle, to Her Declaration of Independence, and to Her Founders and brave souls that gave us this great Nation.

There is no courage needed to restrict the unalienable Rights of ALL MEN. There is no courage in advocating the need to rethink these "freedoms" and redefine what they may be. That is not Patriotic wisdom. It is Treasonous to America and all that She was carved out to be. And all it takes is brave men to do nothing. It takes no courage, no bravery to make a stand of no convicion to America. Cowards one and all.

Justice Reigned Supreme

"Impeachment is off the table."

SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

Least the next declaration BE for the Justice of America and the need to break free from those that seek to commit acts of oppression and Authoritarian rule over the people, thus seeking to desrtoy America and all that She stands for. Then and only then shall real Justice Reign Supreme.
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Anakin Skywalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 09:11 PM
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47. What the Hell Was He Doing There in the First Place? Organizers Should've Known Better
than to invite the troll.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:15 AM
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81. Really! This wasn't the first time he's advocated trashing civil rights
What the Hell were they thinking?
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IntiRaymi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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48.  Gingrich raises alarm at event honoring those who stand up for freedom of speech
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Gingrich+raises+alarm+at+event+honoring+those+who+stand+up+for+freedom+of+speech&articleId=d3f4ee4e-1e90-475a-b1b0-bbcd5baedd78

Gingrich raises alarm at event honoring those who stand up for freedom of speech

By RILEY YATES
Union Leader Staff

MANCHESTER – Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich yesterday said the country will be forced to reexamine freedom of speech to meet the threat of terrorism.
Newt Gingrich

Gingrich, speaking at a Manchester awards banquet, said a "different set of rules" may be needed to reduce terrorists' ability to use the Internet and free speech to recruit and get out their message.

"We need to get ahead of the curve before we actually lose a city, which I think could happen in the next decade," said Gingrich, a Republican who helped engineer the GOP's takeover of Congress in 1994.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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49. Yeah, good luck with that whole Presidential campaign thing. n/t
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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54. Newt's going to get this handed back to him in spades.
First, it'll be used by other Republicans in the primaries. If he manages to get into the GE, it'll get burned into the minds of every American. He's a fascist scumbag hypocrite.
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Donnachaidh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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50. why don't we label Gingrich and all the NeoCons
Let's call them what they are -- TRAITORS.

These smug fascists need a long taste of Gitmo. And waterboarding. Then we'll see just how quick he is to advocate the stripping of free speech.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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51. Let's try it out.
Newt can be the first test case and he can have his 1st amendment rights abridged.

What scares Newt isn't terrorists, it's people who are willing to call bullshit on the Republican Party and expose them for what they are. A bunch of hypocrite criminals.

This is really rich coming from the guy who made smear words a prominent tool in the Republicanspeak.
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IntiRaymi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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52. The NEOCONS want to censor the internet.
Too much free speech going on in here.
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SusanaMontana41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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53. Republicans hate us
for our freedoms.
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waiting for hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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55. Hey Newt....
cheating on you second wife? You know what they say, "Once a cheater, always a Republican, oops, cheater."
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ewoden Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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63. Newt cut an ran from his fiirst wife
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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56. The Ist Amendment was ratified when the threat of destruction
to this country was extremely high (via Great Britain).

Give me a break Newt. Freedom of speech survived the Cold War - which threatened total world annihilation - and it will survive terrorism.
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Sapphocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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57. Fine by me.
He can start with Pat Robertson -- and himself -- before we "actually lose a city," like Washington, D.C.:

"Maybe we need a very small nuke thrown off on Foggy Bottom to shake things up like Newt Gingrich wants to do."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/09/robertson.state/
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AIJ Alom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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58. Newt may be on to something. Conservative commentators
should be banned from practicing free speech. Remember Chad Constanza was inspired by Ann Coulter. I see the recruiting and getting out the message going on in FreeRepublic. Bill O'Reilly has suggested that if San Fransico is attacked by terrorists, the United States will look the other way. Yes, let's get ahead of the curve and prevent the loss of a city by banning Conservative free speech.
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Vogon_Glory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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60. Would Bill O' Look The Other Way If al Qaeda Nuked Midland, Texas? n/t
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MAX 1 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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59. A M E R I C A
In a land defined not only by borders but by laws that create equalities and the granting of Rights, America has always been viewed as a nation that possesses much promise. Over a century ago that promise was termed the "American dream" and waves of immigrants poured into this great and promising nation. The great wars, WWI and WWII were the wars to end all wars, where America defended the rights of the people against oppressors of the less fortunate. A growing movement a generation later sought to fight for all humanities rights, and justice seemed to be prevailing. America became the land of the Free, home of the Brave, where Justice reigned supreme.

Land of the Free.
, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
The future rested in the hands of men, so oppressed by a government that seized upon opportunity to take advantage of it's colonies to the degree that the people of this land became enslaved to that government, that they took it upon themselves to resist that oppressor and "throw off" it's form of governance so as to establish their own, making them the truest patriots America has ever seen. From their hard work and commitment, they forged out a new Republic and called it the United States of America. And with the creation of this institution, they granted to the people, that which the former King would not, unalienable rights. Rights that no man can nor should be allowed to restrict at any time, least they become the oppressor to the Rights that WE THE PEOPLE are granted by our Founders.

. It is time to now debate what "other" freedoms need to come under attack by our own people.

Yes, the Land of the Free is no longer a land where it is recognized what is self evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This has given way to an alternate thought; that there are those that don't rise up to that level and can and seeingly arguably should be refused their rights. And in this light of wisdom, it is advisable by these thinkers to recuse themselves of any liability to the actions of their thoughts, just in case they have to be held to some degree of accountability if they are found needing to be held in contempt for any grievances against this Declaration of Rights. In other words, they hold themselves outside the realms this self evident moment that our Founders recognized. They hold themselves unequaled to ALL MEN.

I declare at this moment, that those that fail to fight and protect for our unalienable Rights as Americans are not advocates for America nor Her citizens but are subverts to America and her way of life. They argue that somehow, since 9/11, things have changed. What they mean to say and should be questioned and questioned often is that somehow our Founders got it all wrong 230 years ago. That for this past 230 years these freedoms were too free and granted too much Liberty to ALL MEN. That there must be degrees of equality that grant you your freedom accordingly. Those that propagate this mindset are not patriots for America but instead are rebels against America. Treasonous to varying degrees based upon their social and political status. They seek to return America to Her former self; a land ruled by TYRANNY.

Home of the Brave

How brave must have been our Founders to have forged a Nation, free from it's oppressive Authoritarian tyrant King George, into becoming a Nation where freedom and Liberty is respected above all things. To fight against an oppressor that out manned, out gunned, and was economically superior to that of oneself requires great courage and conviction. And to do all this not on some foreign land where the home populace is disconnected but instead on your own parcel of land where it is your neighbor that you assist in defending, one must not only be brave, one must be a Patriot to the cause. Independance.

When a time where ALL MEN were not treated equally based upon their race, freedom once again reigned. Emancipation enforced that freedom spirited pride which American Patriots fought for again. America had Her Civil War and many brave soldiers went to their deaths to preserve and protect against agitators to the American principle that was self evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

The Two Great Wars were subsequently fought abroad not to protect America from agitators, but instead to free those oppressed by agitators to the greater principles concerning life, Liberty, and Justice for all. That ALL MEN meant ALL MEN. This was not an exclusionary term to mean just Americans, but ALL MEN became affected by treaties and agreements entered into by America, domestically or abroad. Freedom.

A little more than a half a century past the end of these Two Great Wars, Americans found that the battles to end all wars really established the dominance of a new American principle. Born out of the need to affect change for ALL PEOPLE, the world has seen great threats such as Nazism and Communism crumble into fragments that are now viewed globally as the most offensive oppressors out there to ALL MANKIND. This American principle was considered the "standard" of measurement to which the degree of oppressiveness was held up against. The bravery and patriotic resonance carried with it the stamp of approval or disapproval. And it was always America that came courageously forward to fight for the rights of ALL MEN.

The last decade has not seen this action from America. Where the rights for ALL MEN are protected, preserved, and fought for. Instead what the world has seen coming out of America is not bravery nor is it courageous. The need for the restriction and limitation of the Rights granted to ALL MEN.

I declare at this moment, America is no longer the Home of the Brave but instead a shelter dominated by cowards. So afraid of human rights and of their own Constitution they take upon themselves to seek out a necessity to usurp those Rights that are self evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their Creator, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. That in doing so, limiting and restricting those Rights to those they deem privileged enough to be granted them, they proclaim themselves warriors and champions of Rights and Liberties because they recuse of themselves the ability to be a Patriot to the American principle, to Her Declaration of Independence, and to Her Founders and brave souls that gave us this great Nation.

There is no courage needed to restrict the unalienable Rights of ALL MEN. There is no courage in advocating the need to rethink these "freedoms" and redefine what they may be. That is not Patriotic wisdom. It is Treasonous to America and all that She was carved out to be. And all it takes is brave men to do nothing. It takes no courage, no bravery to make a stand of no convicion to America. Cowards one and all.

Justice Reigned Supreme

"Impeachment is off the table."

SAY IT AIN'T SO!!!

Least the next declaration BE for the Justice of America and the need to break free from those that seek to commit acts of oppression and Authoritarian rule over the people, thus seeking to desrtoy America and all that She stands for. Then and only then shall real Justice Reign Supreme.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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61. We Already Lost a City--Thanks to Bush and Supression of Speech
or don't you remember New Orleans, Newt?
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Island Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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62. But hey, John Kerry left a pronoun out of a sentence.
That's much more important and newsworthy. :sarcasm:
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 10:21 PM
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64. We need a hard crusty shell of fascism,
to protect the chewy sweet center of our democracy.

:sarcasm:
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emald Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-28-06 11:01 PM
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67. We, the real people, need to get in front of the curve
the curve of Newts belly, and push his bulk into a dark cell somewhere. What don't these assholes get about freedom of speech? Yep, nasty shit will get said. Then it's a police action. These sick fucks want to steal the freedoms of our fathers, take them so they can force a population into a profit making scheme of some sort or another. I for one, am really getting pissed off at these pompus fat bellied bellicose belligerent son of bitches spouting off about having to remove freedom for safety. I hate this goon. I hope he dies soon and by his girth it's likely. Good fucking ridance. God damn they piss me off. Different set of rules my ass. I do hope some real patriots stand up soon or this country is lost.
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:46 AM
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70. Sounds like a "pig", ala
Animal Farm by George Orwell.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:11 AM
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72. whatever

"Gingrich, speaking at a Manchester awards banquet, said a "different set of rules" may be needed to reduce terrorists' ability to use the Internet and FREE SPEECH to recruit and get out their message."

"We need to get ahead of the curve before we actually lose a city, which I think could happen in the next decade," said Gingrich, a Republican who helped engineer the GOP's takeover of Congress in 1994.


Gingrich sharply criticized campaign finance laws he charged were REDUCING FREE SPEECH and doing little to fight attack advertising. He also said court rulings over separation of church and state have hurt citizens' ability to express themselves and their faith.



what he is saying makes no fucking sense. what an idiot.
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kdpeters Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 05:12 AM
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73. Newt, if you want to give up your freedom of speech -- LEAVE!!!
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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 06:34 AM
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76. Same old line....
"Shut up or the terrorists will get you!"
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StrictlyRockers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 07:32 AM
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77. FUCK YOU GRINCH! You ain't stealing my liberties for xmas.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:13 AM
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78. This is really disturbing
I have the feeling we are going to be in a real fight to keep our internet freedom....and keep it we must!! The internet means "People Power" and that's the LAST thing these fascists want.
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 09:18 AM
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79. These people are itching to rein in the internet. Its the only way to get real news these days
since the corporate news has abdicated their journalistic responsibilities. The internet is the only thing that sort of levels the field.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 11:12 AM
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80. Who invited that assclown in the first place?
Newt fucking Gingrich at a First Amendment Award????

That's like inviting Mel Gibson to speak before B'nai B'rith.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 01:31 PM
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85. Typical Republican: We must destroy it to save it.
Edited on Wed Nov-29-06 01:31 PM by Peake
Subtext: We must destroy it to control it as we see fit.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-29-06 02:42 PM
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86. He said they needed to shut down the Internet
which it shows me they realize the Internet is their worst enemy
and the Neo Nazis Aryan Gingrich...
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