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NVMojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 01:12 PM Original message |
Second-Grader Fights Mom's Deportation |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
1. If you are born here, you are a U.S. citizen ... period. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. one big problem with that if it were official policy- |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Why should honest mothers |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. then why have green cards at all? or immigration laws? |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:04 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That's exactly why we need to abolish these archaic laws |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. so what's your solution? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It has to be at least twofold. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. where do you live...? |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. i live in the southwest |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Deleted sub-thread |
closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. New York. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #24 |
79. They are having an impact on life where I live |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Until we can amend the current legislation |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. That would be bad. It would create an incentive for women to illegally cross the border |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Well, if the child has only known life in the US |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. why is it "just wrong"? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Why are you assuming the child will get deported, its illegal to deport citizens... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 11:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. when did i say anything about deporting the kid? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 04:21 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. she can't really stand in the line with everyone else... |
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PirateJoe (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #6 |
78. i hope... |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. An mother who stays because the laws allow her to |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. i think democrats should stand for enforcement of immigration laws. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Immigration laws are unenforced because |
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silverojo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 09:54 PM Response to Reply #13 |
33. Exactly! |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
80. Gee the Democratic party I know would never advocate deporting a child |
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nosillies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. But if you came here illegally can you be considered "honest" in that regard? |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. If your life was miserable where you came from AND |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. On the other hand, I agree that |
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nosillies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Exactly...my only argument is that the laws are not "good" and not |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Here's the problem as I see it: |
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nosillies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It may be counterproductive to some, but at the same time it is factual. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 04:37 PM Response to Reply #22 |
26. You're going down that road, though, sounds like. |
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nosillies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Peace to you too...I just like to ask tough questions sometimes! |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
39. ergo... you are a criminal??? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
82. What if |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #5 |
58. If you've ever broken a traffic law or drank a beer while underage, are you "honest?" |
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Maat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. That was generally the policy when I was a social worker, |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 01:26 PM Response to Reply #17 |
35. it wasn't the "official" stated policy tho... |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 05:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. I don't think being born in the US should confer citizenship either. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Thankfully, your attitude, while atrocious, could never be enshrined in law... |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 06:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. What's atrocious about requiring that the child get the mother's citizenship? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. What are you objecting to? The non-existent "Mother gets citizenship" thing... |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:09 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. I'm objecting to the situation where the kid gets citizenship, because |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:49 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. How would the problem be solved, and what would happen to the kids? |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 06:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. What would happen to the kids if they were born in Germany? Japan? Italy? Denmark? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Actually, in this country, they DO have that right... |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes, it's in the 14th Amendment because they were turning natural-born ex-slaves into citizens |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. My ancestors became citizens because of that amendment.... |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. What makes you think it's about you? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
66. Look, I get it, you hate brown folks with funny accents... |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. You're assuming the child WILL get citizenship of the mother's country of origin. |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 12:57 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. Can you document such a case? Where the mum still has the right to return, I mean? |
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Triana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:11 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Bingo. I agree. Persons born of illegal immigrants should not |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #44 |
61. So enforce the existing law more effectively. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
59. Why do hate the Constitution? |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Why not a transitional visa, till the child is 18... |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Because you're ignoring a third possibility: don't give the kid citizenship. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Its a dichotomy because there is NO CHANCE IN HELL, that its going to happen... |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
60. some of these people are just vile as well as stupid |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:07 AM Response to Reply #2 |
43. And once these women gain citizenship would they use |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 05:40 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. LOL... |
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WilmywoodNCparalegal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
15. FWIW... a U.S. citizen child can only petition for a |
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Megahurtz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
19. How Sad. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-15-06 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
27. Oh, please. We send American women who have children to prison every damn day... |
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jkg4peace (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-16-06 03:46 AM Response to Reply #27 |
34. oh please, stop calling them illegals |
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OKthatsIT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-17-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. give peoplle a reason to stay home....exactly! |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:11 AM Response to Reply #34 |
63. Great post, thanks |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #27 |
57. DING DING DING! NorthernSpy, you're our grand prize winner! |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. loathsome and stupid |
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MGD (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 01:17 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Right on the money. |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 10:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Her son is already a U.S. citizen |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Don't you know that only God fearing White folks are "Real Citizens"? |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:17 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. He is also the minor child of the non-US citizen in question |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Um, you do realize the kid was a NATURAL BORN citizen, right? |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. you really just pull this stuff out of some orifice: "parental rights trump citizenship rights" |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. It has more to do with common sense. |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Well thank goodness the Constitution trumps your notion of "common sense" |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
67. The amount of knee-jerk faux liberalism at DU is frightening. |
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fleabert (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-18-06 11:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. to which liberal view are you speaking? nt |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. Since it's not okay to point at other DUers, I'll just mention the "how wealthy are you" |
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Ms. Clio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:11 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Your CONCERN about DUers discrediting liberalism is duly noted |
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Katzenjammer (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-19-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. I doubt that. |
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