NBC: Janklow Guilty on all charges

[bluestateguy]

FLANDREAU - A Moody County jury has convicted Rep. Bill Janklow of second-degree manslaughter in connection with the August traffic accident that killed a Minnesota motorcyclist.

The jury also found the congressman guilty of three misdemeanors, including reckless driving, speeding and running a stop sign.

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http://www.argusleader.com/janklowtrial/Mondayarticle2.shtml

[goobergunch]

1. Darn! Beat me to it!

And excellent news for justice and for Democrats! :evilgrin:

[The Zanti Regent]

16. The jury wasn't bought off?

Good Lord, did the Red Sea just part again?????

[Norbert]

38. Not only wasn't the jury bought off...

They deliberated for five hours. Sure didn't take long to make up their minds. :toast:

[UpInArms]

2. WooHooo!!!!!

this is for the jury

:yourock:

[Bucky]

88. I can't celebrate

Some poor guy is dead. Justice was done, but Janklow shouldn't have thrown either his life or the other guy's life away like that.
I'm satisfied, but this does nothing but suck.

[La_Serpiente]

3. wow, that is pretty shocking

you don't see a congressman in jail every. Wasn't he a four term governor?

[Catshrink]

64. There's always Trafficant.

[LiberalFighter]

77. Too bad they couldn't be roomies

[monobrau]

4. Right on

Only the most die-hard, republican-stacked jury could have found otherwise, based on the testimony and evidence.

[aquart]

5. Yah, he hasn't been sentenced yet.

And he's old, and ill, and connected like a Mafia hit man.

Should be fascinating.

[Thor_MN]

48. Heard on the radio, max 10 years, min... nadah.

I wonder who sets the sentance? Is it the jury or the judge?

[Hawkeye-X]

66. Let's hope the judge imposes the maximum

This scumbag deserves every year in jail. Hopefully he'll die there.

[Richardo]

6. When's sentencing?

...and can I get tickets? :evilgrin:

[maddezmom]

There is justice!! n/t

[XanaDUer]

7. Janklow

(per Peter Jennings) even "bragged about speeding".

That's not a family value, Jank.

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[Melsky]

9. Yay!

I thought he was going to get off.

So now does he have to resign?

[goobergunch]

19. I'm fairly sure he loses his House vote (n/t)

[NewJerseyDem]

23. He'll have to

They will expel him if he doesn't. You can't be very effective if you are in jail.

[notadmblnd]

36. I don't think he'll do a day in jail

I think he'll remain free on bond while his appeal pends f rom now until the day he dies.

[Hawkeye-X]

67. Yep.

Resigning effective Janurary 21st. He can't represent his district in the slammer, can't he?

[LiberalFighter]

78. Does not have to resign

But he can be censured for the current session.
If he ran and is re-elected then he is in as if he had not been convicted.

[bluestateguy]

10. Meet Congresswoman Stephanie Herseth

Booyah!!!

[kainah]

44. here's her website: Rep. Stephanie Herseth (D-SD)

http://www.hersethforcongress.org/

I really thought she would win in '02 & was very disappointed when Janklow was elected.

[AlinPA]

11. I take back what I said: that he would be found not guilty

with GOP justice. Now, will the judge over-rule the jury? Or will Bush pardon him?

[alcuno]

25. Your timing is excellent.

Janklow guilty. Wow! I'm amazed.

[goobergunch]

43. He can't

It's a state case - not a federal one. So Bush has no power here!

[kainah]

46. not so, goobergunch

The president's ability to pardon extends to all kinds of crimes. It makes no difference that this is a state crime. Most crimes are. The pardon authority is unfettered.

Nonetheless, I cannot see * being stupid enough to step in and do anything like that here.

[goobergunch]

50. According to the Constitution

Article II, Section 2. The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

Against the United States...not against an individual state.

[tabasco]

65. The previous poster is correct

Presidential pardon power extends to state crimes and anything other than an impeachment. The United States are states, afterall.

[goobergunch]

51. dupe - please ignore (n/t)

[Magleetis]

12. Hoping

for the max sentence. What are the chances? Rep. Janklow meet Bald Headed John "King of the plookers"

[Drifter]

45. They are tired from ...

snoring detergent and ... Ploooking each other.


Cheers
Drifter

[bushisanidiot]

13. Fry, M.F.!! n/t

n/t

[CatWoman]

14. so there IS justice still

in these united states :D

and you beat me, too!!! :D

[SoCalDem]

15. Great news.. I was afraid they woulr give him a pass..

10 years sounds about right...that and he gives his congressional/gubernatorial pension to the man's family :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

17. I'm very happy for other people suffering with diabetes who are NOT

wreckless that the jury saw through his cheap shot bullshit defense.

[bluestateguy]

21. That's right

My father has diabetes, and when he is under the weather, he does not drive, and he's not even a member of the party of "personal responsibility" either.

[BiggJawn]

79. I'm with you! Now he owes all Diabetics an APOLOGY!

For trying to trade on his disease like that.
SHAME on you, Janklow!
SHAME! SHAME!
I hope you get some horny fucker you denied a pardon to for a cellie....(even though I know he'll go to the "White Collar Country Club" with all the crooked lawyers and investment bankers)

[annagull]

18. Shocking! A repuke actually held accountable for his actions!

Somebody pinch me!

[hatrack]

20. YEEEEEEEEEEE-HAH!!!!!!!!! (Oh, and link to the Sioux Falls paper) nt

http://www.argusleader.com/janklowtrial/Mondayarticle2.shtml

[newyorican]

22. And the twinky defense goes down in flames...

again.

[Old and In the Way]

24. Justice was served.

This guy thumbed his nose at driving laws in this country. Maybe if he had lost his liscense, he might avoided this tragedy.

[Stupdworld]

57. right on

Exactly! he treated the law with such disdain and got what was coming to him. The diabetic shock defense was a laugh. Every diabetic I know is meticulous about eating properly.

[fishnfla]

26. I dont see it on the link

?

[goobergunch]

28. Revised link [posted above]

http://www.argusleader.com/janklowtrial/Mondayarticle2.shtml

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

41. Another news source (local CBS affiliate)...

... is KELO-TV <http://www.keloland.com/> in Sioux Falls. They bumped off Rather and the CBS Evening News to start broadcasting from the courthouse at approx. 5:40 pm central time.

[kodi]

27. do convicted felons keep their government pensions?

because if he goes to jail he would be collecting tens of thousands while the government pays the bills for his incarceration.

[bluestateguy]

29. I doubt it.

The matter now goes to the House Ethics Committee, and I'm sure Karl Rove is already on the phone bullying him into resigning, and the next call will be to John Thune to get him to run next year.

[RobertSeattle]

30. Cough Cough....Pardon Me

...Overheard from conservation between Bush and Janklow.

:evilgrin:

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

31. Not only would I like to see him sued now but also the troopers who

testified that they let him get away from priors KNOWING his driving history. Had he lost his license a year ago, his victim would still be alive. It is one thing to show mercy to a driver with no significant past driving history..it is quite another to aid and abet a serial wreckless driver.

[proud patriot]

33. very true

:thumbsup:

[wiley]

35. Kick!

he should be held accountable for his actions, as should Rush Limbaugh and of course the leader of the pack himself.

:nopity:

[proud patriot]

32. Good n/t

[prolesunited]

34. Off topic

But what happened to Rosie the Riveter?

[0007]

37. This makes me happy to see that justice was served and not bought!

Of course this may be hung up in the court system for years.

[joeybee12]

39. Yes! And now Congress oughta expel that murderer!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's see if they have the guts!

[Bake]

40. Woo-hoo! The JURY gets it right!

Like they do MOST of the time! THere are exceptions, but the jury is STILL the most democratic of all institutions in American democracy!!

My hat's off to the jurors! Now to await the sentence!

Bake, Esq.

[Ernesto]

42. Rush's should be interesting in the AM

HE may be next to fall!

[hlthe2b]

47. Has Rush commented on the trial thusfar? eom

[hlthe2b]

49. Attorneys: why would Janklow's lawyer ask for rapid sentencing?

Janklow's lawyer, Ed Evans, asked to be sentenced as soon as possible. The judge says he'll see if it can be compiled sooner if he can but wants to make sure it has all the information he wants.

http://www.argusleader.com/janklowtrial/Mondayarticle2.shtml

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

53. Probably so they can appeal before he gets caught speeding again

on edit: I am being sarcastic. :D Most likely they want to appeal and the faster they push for a decision, the more likely they are to create and find some judicial error to hang their hat on.

[MnFats]

73. so there isn't enough time to do a real thorough PSI

a pre-sentence investigation.
There is, many say, skullduggery aplenty in Janklow's past.
Some of it, to be sure, he has hidden fairly well. It might be passed over if investigators don't have the time to poke around with it.

[NashVegas]

52. Freeper Reaction

Overall, they seem to think justice was served. I wouldn't gloat over this one, at least not in their faces. Talk about it, yes. But not gloat.

[The Original Shroom]

55. No Pardon...

I don't think he'll get a pardon...

I don't believe he has a "Rich" wife raising donations for the GOP.

[truthisfreedom]

75. naturally, drudge buried it in column three and posted a tiny article,

barely more than a couple of sentences.

http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/350883%7Ctop%7C12-08-2003::21:05%7Creuters.html

[Ediacara]

54. WHAT A QUOTE

From CNN:

"If you believe the incredible story that the defendant, a 240-pound man, didn't eat for 18 hours, he's still guilty," he said.

[DrBB]

69. I'd like to know what insulin he takes

Even if it was a low maintenance dose of ultra-lente, which you would supplement by short-acting insulin immediately before a meal, you simply do not go for 18 hours w/out eating when you're on insulin. All the more ridiculously unlikely if he was taking some combination of NPH and R insulin, which is more common.

Know what an insulin reaction feels like? Like someone has just pulled your plug, your capacitors are rapidly draining, you're breaking out in a cold sweat and getting tunnel vision, and your body is screaming one single overwhelming and absolutely unignorable message: FEED ME NOW OR DIE.

This is not something you fuck around with or have questions about, if you've ever experienced it. You simply do NOT go for a whole day without eating. Trust me, I know.

[Hobarticus]

56. Buh-bye...

Shoulda happened a long time ago.

[rocktivity]

58. Save this quote for the sentencing hearing

from http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=2&u=/ap/20031209/ap_on_re_us/janklow_trial_75">Yahoo.com:

Janklow has long been an unapologetic speeder, as witnessed during a 1999 speech to the Legislature. "Bill Janklow speeds when he drives, shouldn't, but he does," Janklow said then. "When he gets the ticket he pays it, but if someone told me I was going to jail for two days for speeding, my driving habits would change."
Who does he think he is, Alice Cooper?

Janklow received 12 speeding tickets from 1990 to October 1994. He was elected to a third term as governor a month later and never received another ticket in the state.
Now I understand--he had NO CHOICE but to run for governor!


rocknation

[Ganja Ninja]

93. In Janklow’s defense....

He suffered from a mental disability know as Rugged Conservative Independence Syndrome, more commonly known as “having your head up your ass.”

[pansypoo53219]

59. sweet,

now give him the maximum for BLATENT disregard of life.

asshole.

[JackSwift]

60. He's lucky they didn't try for first degree

manslaughter or second degree murder. The prosecutor was right: this guy was playing Russian Roulette with his driving, it was only a matter of time before he killed someone. I feel so sorry for Randy Scott's family. I hope the judge sentences him just like any other person.

[NNN0LHI]

61. Guess Dascle's testimony didn't help this criminal. Didn't think it would

Ain't that a real shame? Time to pay the piper. Hope his past driving record is considered during his sentencing hearing. Yea, buddy!

Don

[Just Me]

62. AS A FORMER LAWYER WHO QUIT PRACTICING,...

,...this system is all we have,...and it does work towards justice albeit with many flaws and unintended and inequitable outcomes. My biggest complaint (and consequential exit entirely from that system) had to do with how money/influence proved an irreconcilable obstruct towards "justice". Apparently, even those "powers that be" can be overcome via the system we have,...from time to time. All we really have to do,...is improve that system,...tone out the money/influence card,,...and, perhaps,...we will have ourselves something more just and equitable.

[NNN0LHI]

63. I will never disagree. It is flawed, but is still the best in the world nt

[stanwyck]

80. A judge recently told me

and the other jurors on a rape, incest, child molestation, and sodomy case that bad as the case was, the absolute most difficult case to decide is vehicular homicide. He said that in his twenty plus years on the bench, vehicular homicide cases were the most contentious for jurors.

[NNN0LHI]

83. I would imagine that is because everyone can imagine being...

...involved in a serious automobile accident themselves. I could not imagine finding myself involved in a rape, incest, child molestation, or sodomy case. But a car accident? Yes, I could. I am driving every day.

Don

[AngryAmish]

68. JNOV

Their is no way that the evil empire will let one of their own go to jail. Never.

Edit for sp.

[BuckeFushe]

70. Janklow to Resign Following Conviction

FLANDREAU, S.D. - Rep. Bill Janklow was convicted of manslaughter Monday for speeding through a stop sign and colliding with a motorcyclist. Janklow later announced that he will resign from Congress. I wish to inform you that because of present circumstances, I will be unable to perform the duties incumbent on me in representing the people of South Dakota as their U.S. representative," Janklow wrote in a letter that he said was to be sent to House Speaker Dennis Hastert on Tuesday.


"Therefore I wish to inform you that I will resign from the House of Representatives, effective January 20, 2004."


That is the same date Janklow is scheduled to be sentenced on his manslaughter conviction. He could get up to 10 years in prison.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&e=2&u=/ap/20031209/ap_on_go_co/janklow_trial

[salin]

85. heard this on the (late) commute home.... jaw dropped.

Apparently the SD gop was applying intense pressure on him to resign.

[bvar22]

71. Crisco John (Ashcroft) ...

...has been touring the country demanding that Judges apply MAXIMUM SENTENCES. The NeoCon rules should apply in South Dakota.

[MnFats]

72. Now, now, let's not gloat.

It's unbecoming of us DUers.


but it's kinda difficult....not to think of....some of the N.A. inmates that may have a bit of a grudge against Janklow for some of his rascality over the years.


"Hey Janklow, I dropped my soap! Pick it up, wouldja?"

I didn't say that. I'm very sorry. I am not that malicious.

[aquart]

91. I am.

Some penalties are earned.

[truthisfreedom]

74. if the jury found him guilty, he probably was.

it's a jury's job to figure it out. i'd hate to be in that position, myself. i hope that the punishment fits the crime.

[Overkil]

76. Jail time for Janklow

[mndemocrat_29]

81. Janklow's seat should go to the Democrats

With Herseth running, they have an excellent chance. She's leading any Republican except Thune (48-40 in the last poll, I believe). I actually think that she could beat Thune, since voters will be so sick of Republicans because of Janklow that they'll want a full party switch. With Herseth elected, she instantly becomes the future of Democratic politics in South Dakota and the frontrunner for the 2010 (I know it's a tremendous way off, but she will be the frontrunner) Senate race. Many said that Daschle would've retired or run for president if he wasn't so worried about losing his Senate seat. With Herseth in Congress, Democrats would have that heir apparent (interestingly enough, both Daschle and Johnson served in the House before the Senate).

Congresswoman Stephanie Herseth in 2004!

[sal]

82. When will Tom Daschle resign?

He actually testified on behalf of this scumbag. It is hard to countenance the shame this disgraceful man has heaped on our party.

[NNN0LHI]

84. Give it a break n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

86. yes that would be smart so the seat could go to a Republican

that would help.

[Hailtothechimp]

87. It doesn't bring back the biker who was killed, but....

the jury did the right thing. No one should be above the law, and Janklow found out that he isn't.

[Myra]

89. YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(!)

What? A Pug who didn't get away with killing someone?
What's happening to our country???

[sarastro]

90. Has anyone noticed...

that CNN is making as few references to Janklow's party affiliation as possible?

[truthisfreedom]

92. i talked to a friend of mine who is politically active and he thought

janklow was a Dem. he made the assumption based on the media's constant attacks on Dems over the last 3 years.