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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:14 PM
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Audit finds missing U.S. weapons in Iraq
Audit finds missing U.S. weapons in Iraq
By JOHN HEILPRIN, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Nearly one of every 25 weapons the military bought for Iraqi security forces is missing, a government audit said Sunday. Many others cannot be repaired because parts or technical manuals are lacking.

A second report found "significant challenges remain that put at risk" the U.S. military's goal of strengthening Iraqi security forces by transferring all logistics operations to the defense ministry by the end of 2007.

The Pentagon cannot account for 14,030 weapons — almost 4 percent of the semiautomatic pistols, assault rifles, machine guns, rocket-propelled grenade launchers and other weapons it began supplying to Iraq since the end of 2003, according to a report from the office of the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction.

The missing weapons will not be tracked easily: The Defense Department registered the serial numbers of only about 10,000 of the 370,251 weapons it provided — less than 3 percent.

The Pentagon spent $133 million on the weapons, and "the capacity of the Iraqi government to provide national security and public order is partly contingent on arming the Iraqi security forces, under the ministries of defense and interior," the report notes. Military officials insisted the weapons either had to be new or never issued to a previous soldier.

(more)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061029/ap_on_go_ot/iraq_reconstruction_audits



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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:36 PM
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1. That's a crazy headline -- indicates opposite of what's being reported
Sounds like they found weapons that were missing.

Should be:

Audit Shows US Weapons are Missing in Iraq
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:37 PM
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5. i had the same problem.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 08:36 PM
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8. It is correct; an audit "finds" things. This audit found
Edited on Sun Oct-29-06 08:37 PM by LynnTheDem
(out) there are weapons missing in Iraq.

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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:37 PM
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27. Great. Then why didn't they say that in the headline?
It's just sloppy writing.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:59 AM
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25. It's like the old joke
I went to the closet to look for my shoes. And there they were, gone!
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 04:37 PM
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2. One more reason it can't be "won."
No way to know who to trust with the weapons necessary to quell the violence.
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happyslug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:16 PM
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3. Remember this is OVER and ABOVE Combat losses.
If a weapon is lost in combat, it is written off as a combat loss. If the weapon is stolen, it is reported as stolen, not "missing" as is here. These are weapons Stolen BEFORE the weapons were ever issued to anyone. My point is this may be just a small number of the weapons lost.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 05:26 PM
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4. Gotta make sure
you have an armed insurgency. Otherwise, they wouldn't have an excuse to keep us there.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 06:59 PM
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6. Halliburton was hired to replace TRAINED US tech units
Audit KBR and I bet they'll find some of the stuff -or some of the slime who sold them on the black market.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 07:42 PM
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7. k&r
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-29-06 10:47 PM
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9. When you arm the world, expect some of those weapons to end up
killing you and yours.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:10 AM
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10. Kick.
:kick:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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11. NYT: U.S. Is Said to Fail in Tracking Arms Shipped to Iraqis
U.S. Is Said to Fail in Tracking Arms Shipped to Iraqis

By JAMES GLANZ
Published: October 30, 2006

The American military has not properly tracked hundreds of thousands of weapons intended for Iraqi security forces and has failed to provide spare parts, maintenance personnel or even repair manuals for most of the weapons given to the Iraqis, a federal report released Sunday has concluded.

The report was undertaken at the request of Senator John W. Warner, the Virginia Republican who is the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee and who recently expressed an assessment far darker than the Bush administration’s on the situation in Iraq.

Mr. Warner sent his request in May to a federal oversight agency, the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. He also asked the inspector general to examine whether Iraqi security forces were developing a logistics operation capable of sustaining the hundreds of thousands of troops and police officers the American military says it has trained.

The answers came Sunday from the inspector general’s office, which found discrepancies in American military records on where thousands of 9-millimeter pistols and hundreds of assault rifles and other weapons have ended up. The American military did not even take the elementary step of recording the serial numbers of weapons provided to Iraqis, the inspector general found, making it impossible to track or identify any that might have fallen into the wrong hands.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/world/middleeast/30reconstruct.html?hp&ex=1162184400&en=5adc996871893525&ei=5094&partner=homepage
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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12. They can't do ANYTHING right - recommended
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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13. those same guns and weapons are being used to kill our troops
this is shameful, more than that more incompetence and negligence.
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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14. kicking for failures abound
and recommending for incompetence.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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15. Gee, CiC...that's blue on blue.
Motherfucker.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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16. The NRA should be very happy
"The American military did not even take the elementary step of recording the serial numbers of weapons provided to Iraqis." Absolutely brilliant. Our own weapons are quite likely killing our own troops, and we can't even ascertain who has these guns and rifles.

How do dead bodies spin, Mr. Rove? Can you make them sit up again? Can these dead bones coming back from Iraq live again, Mr. Rove?
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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17. They are not even using the most rudimentary process controls. Boot Rummy.
Kudos to my Senator Warner for undertaking some oversight on this even though he's a conservative.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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18. The Pentagon admits that it loses trillions of dollars.
Why is this even news?
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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21. Wonder who is getting all this "lost" revenue?.
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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19. Glad to give this 5th vote for Greatest
From the link: Those problems have occurred even though the United States has spent $133 million on the weapons program and $666 million on Iraqi logistics capabilities.

Wish someone would publish how much taxpayer's money this bunch of crooks has pissed away and stolen on this damn war of theirs!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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20. Only one conclusion to be drawn, in my mind
They're flooding Iraq with guns. Lots and lots of untraceable guns.

And no paperwork (or paper trail), either.

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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 02:11 AM
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22. Could this be intentional? Oh just saw the previous post.
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 01:46 AM by cassiepriam
Yes, Bush wants civil war?
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 05:24 AM
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23. Nothing "failed" and nothing was "lost"
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 05:25 AM by heliarc
Many were simply conveniently sold off to warlords. It was a complete and utter boondoggle for the Arms dealers. That's what I think at least. Nothing's new about these kinds of discrepancies.
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 09:11 PM
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32. These guns are on the way to the Bush ranch in Paraguay
:)
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Eugene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 11:51 AM
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24. With Pentagon logistics, the insurgents don't need Syria or Iran to help them.
I wouldn't be surprised if many more weapons turn up missing.
Heckofajob Rummy!

K&R
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 12:53 PM
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26. Thank God they found them.... right????
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LiberalHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 07:40 PM
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28. No, they didn't. The headline misleads.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:55 PM
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31. oops, i forgot these
:sarcasm:

:rofl:
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:47 PM
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29. "Hundreds of thousands" of weapons unaccounted for...context
Edited on Mon Oct-30-06 09:00 PM by teryang
This is the most outrageous corruption I have ever heard of. It particularly distresses me as the administration claims "to have a plan for victory!"

They had no plan in Iraq after the invasion. They had no means to secure the entire country. They had a plan and called it "cakewalk."

How dare they say they have a plan.

To put this in context. Once I served with an ordnance officer responsible for arming the twelve jet bombers in our squadron. The aircraft gattling gun expended hundreds of rounds of ammo in brief moments. After a two week deployment with the airwing at Fallon, Nevada, after dropping tons of bombs, and expending tens of thousands of rounds of 20mm in various exercises, the ordnance officer was relieved of his duties, disciplined and forced to retire, after failing to account for one, I say again, one round of 20mm ammunition. The round was found by the way.

The deception in the headline is just one more disinformation outrage.

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twaddler01 Donating Member (800 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-30-06 08:49 PM
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30. Don't worry, they won't use them against us...
:sarcasm:
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-31-06 02:41 AM
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33. That is a really poor headline: Thousands of U.S.-Bought Weapons Lost in Iraq...
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