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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:03 PM
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6.5 earthquake on Oahu...another on Maui -CNN
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:04 PM by SoCalDem
no links yet..

power out & phone service out in some areas.. They are saying no tsunami warning has gone out..yet..:scared:

Maui police reported it was 6.6..

no information yet on injuries..
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:04 PM
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1. 6.5! Yikes
That is a big one.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:05 PM
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3. and another on Hawaii..eek
looks like mother nature is pissed
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:10 PM
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8. Yup, firing nuclear subterranean blasts at will is not without a price..
I hope everyone is safe in beautiful Hawaii..and I hope
N.Korea is humbled by this catastrophic event brought to
bear by their careless handling of Mother Earth.
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:16 PM
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10. Um... NK's test was a dud.
And when you say NK should be humbled, do you mean it's people, or it's leader. Not that many TeeVees in NK. Unlikely it's populace will even know.

So, can you explain by what process, a low yield nuke in NK last week triggered an earthquake in Hawaii today? Inquiring minds want to know.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
14. What proof do you have that NK's first test was a dud?
Can you prove your statement as fact?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #14
16. Go hit a science blog. Let them explain it to you.
It was a dud.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:10 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. I'm not in the habit of researching other people's claims..
If you believe what you say...it's your responsibility to prove it, not mine.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:57 PM
Response to Reply #18
43. How about researching your own claims then? n/t
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:16 PM
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48. Headline: North Korea`s nuke test triggered earthquakes: Geologists
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 04:46 PM by Tellurian
Mumbai, Oct 14:

Did the nuclear test by North Korea on October 9 trigger earthquakes in the region?

Apparently yes, if geologists are to be believed.


The earthquake pattern between October 9 and 13 in East Asia, geologists say, was due to a disturbance in natural stress conditions of the subduction zone extending from Kuril island in the north to Phillipines islands in the south.

They said it was apparent that the nuclear explosion did create stress along the trench. In the last two months, such earthquake "clusters" were not observed in the zone, according to geologists from the department of earth sciences in the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) here.

Between October 9 and 11, the Phillippines islands experienced nearly 10 quakes with magnitudes varying from 4.2 to 6.3 on the Richter scale.

Taiwan recorded a 5.6-magnitude quake, while Japan recorded a 5.8-magnitude temblor on October 10. Similarly, Kuril islands experienced a 6-magnitude quake yesterday, they said.

A plot of the epicentres on the tectonic map of East Asia clearly demonstrates the nuclear test released stress along the subduction zone, the geologists pointed out.


http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=329245&sid=WOR&ssid=

In the past I've found with certain people no matter how much evidence you provide, they will still cry.."not good enough!" I'm sure this evidence will resemble another of those times. Even though the request was for a geologists` report. Carry-On..

And special thanks to Kitty1 for the article you posted..



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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:46 PM
Response to Reply #48
52. A little pompous are we...?
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 04:53 PM by billh58
Earthquakes occur in Hawaii almost daily, but only on the Big Island. Reason? Because the Big Island (Hawaii) is the "newest" island, and sits on top of the current location of the most plate activity. Hence, the only active volcanoes in Hawaii are on, and around, the Big Island.

All of the Hawaiian Islands are connected, with Maui being the closest to the Big Island, so we feel them more often than Oahu and Kauai. I have lived on Maui since before statehood, and have felt many earthquakes of varying degrees of intensity over the years. The local news is reporting however, that this is the strongest quake to hit us in 32 years. The epicenter was 8-miles seaward of Laupahoehoe on the Big Island.

So, if the NK test had anything to do with this particular quake from over 6000 miles away, I would be very surprised, as would most scientists. Secondly, I don't believe that there is any way to "prove," or "disprove" the very unlikely scenario that you have presented. I could just as easily claim that the current alignment of the planets had a hand in "causing" the quakes, but that would be not only pure speculation, but scientific rubbish as well.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:26 PM
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58. And your point IS? nm
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #58
61. That you are
spouting pure, unfounded, and idle speculation, which is not based on any scientific evidence. Earthquakes on the Big Island are common, and are NOT caused by anything other than tectonic plates moving over, or against, each other.

Attempting to blame a natural occurrence on a relatively minor event which happened over 6000 miles away, stretches not only the reader's imagination, but your credibility.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:49 PM
Response to Reply #61
63. Oh-
Heres what I know..

Name calling and personal attacks are the last resort of losers-

Carry On ..:hi:
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:01 PM
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64. Oh well...
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 06:02 PM by billh58
My reply was not intended as a "personal attack," and I don't believe that I called you any names. If you'd rather be right than educated, then I guess that you are a happy camper...;-)
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:19 PM
Response to Reply #48
56. And see my response below. What was the depth of the NK blast?
Where's the subduction zone? Who are the geologists made the claim, specifically? The article is nothing more than unscientific speculation with the addition of unnamed "geologists" to add verisimilitude. Nothing scientific about it, not in terms of geology.

Especially not with such a small detonation, which led to speculation that the test was a "dud." (And apparently likely conducted in a horizontal tunnel in a mountain rather than a vertical shaft. Depth so shallow that the depth didn't register in the seismic surveys.) http://cbs4boston.com/topstories/topstories_story_287220237.html http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/chi-061012blast,0,4199110.story?coll=ny-worldnews-print http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/front/la-fg-test10oct10,1,3650820.story?coll=la-headlines-frontpage





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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:22 PM
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91. This from today's ' LA Times'- another viewpoint from the USGS.
http://tinyurl.com/ydtql6

Seismologists recorded about 40 additional earthquakes and aftershocks on the Big Island by early afternoon, including a magnitude-5.8 event that occurred 7 minutes after the initial temblor.

Like most Hawaiian earthquakes, the temblor was related to the volcanic activity that built the Hawaiian Islands as the top of undersea mountains sprouting from the deep ocean. This quake happened when accumulated weight of layers of cooled magma became too heavy for the earth's crust to hold — so it simply gave way.

"Volcanoes grow over time," said Harley Benz of the U.S. Geological Survey. "They become so massive just the sheer weight of the volcano, of the solid rock that's been built up over thousands and millions of years, alone will cause earthquakes."

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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:24 PM
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21. Not out of the realm of possiblity, that Japan's earlier earthquake
and subsequently Hawaii's could have been precipitated by disturbances in the earth's core caused by the NK nuke tests. A delayed chain reaction to the events perhaps.

Mumbai, Oct 15. (PTI): Did the nuclear test by North Korea on October nine trigger earthquakes in the region? Apparently yes, if geologists are to be believed.
The earthquake pattern between October nine and 13 in East Asia, geologists say, was due to a disturbance in natural stress conditions of the subduction zone extending from Kuril Island in the north to Phillipines islands in the south.
From http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/008200610150310.htm



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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:49 PM
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41. Not a credible article based on content, no citing of actual geologists
who would put their names to such unscientific speculation. It also doesn't make sense based on the location of the subduction zone and the size/location/depth of NK's test.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:31 PM
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22. If you think the pissant size NK blast
can trigger earthquakes, you've got a definite lack of scientific knowledge. Nothing humans have ever detonated comes close in size to the energy nature releases in quakes, eruptions, hurricanes, etc by several orders of magnitude.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:58 PM
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30. Some of these responses show the need for science education
During the Cold War, the Soviets, the U.S., the Chinese, and others were setting off nukes what seemed like every week, and those weren't little kiloton-class boomlets like North Korea's--they were 100 megaton monsters, enough to vaporize a major metropolitan area instantly.

Not one was ever connected to a subsequent earthquake.

The same kind of uninformed, paranoid crap came up after the Indonesian tsunami, too.

Nuclear blasts have their dangers, but causing earthquakes and tsunamis is NOT one of them.

That being said, I hope my friends in Honolulu are all right.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:18 PM
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34. Biggest-ever nuclear detonation (by man)...
was ~50 megatons - the "Tsar Bomba" (obviously Soviet), equivalent to somewhere between 7 & 7.5 on a Richter scale according to this site (scroll down to see the table on the right). We didn't ever detonate anything that size (fortunately).
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:53 PM
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54. The Soviets tested 3 days before the Armenian quake of 1988
killed up to 50,000 people.
During the first half of the century, 1900-1950, there was an average of 68 large quakes a year. Between 1950 and 1988, the average almost doubled to 137, coinciding with years when testing was frequent
Of these, 32 were killer quakes. Twenty came within five days after a nuclear test, 12 within 24-hours. The death count of these 20 quakes was 500,000 to 1,000,000, depending on estimates.
On Nov. 5, 1989 the French tested at the Mururoa Atoll site in the South Pacific. The next day 600 people were killed in quakes ranging from Indo-China to China.
On Nov. 24, the French tested again. A day later, eastern Canada was rocked by an unusual 6.0 quake. The next day a similar quake hit central China.
In early February, after the Jan. 27, 120 kiloton test, the Kilauea volcano in Hawaii erupted. After weeks of rumbling, the mythical Popocatepetl near Mexico City erupted sending a plume two miles into the air.
These of course are larger in scope than the smaller strength tests conducted by NK, but it gives you the impression that nuke tests can indeed impact seismic activity for great distances.
so yes, researchers have established that underground nuke tests can precipitate quakes, sometimes between 5 and 10 days later.
There was the Chinese quake of Feb. 3, six days after the 120 kiloton French test on Jan. 27. An interesting side note is that for two days there were no 5.5 quakes or over. Then all hell broke loose beginning on the 30th with a 6.2 and 6.7 in New Zealand; a 5.9 and 5.8 in the Kuril Islands and finally the 6.5 to 7.0 quake in China.



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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:16 PM
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66. "researchers" who draw cause and effect conclusions? Or geologists?
An "impression" that something is the case is not scientific fact of a causal relationship. And the alleged "increase" in significant earthquake activity based on stats can also be associated with advances in the technology available and implemented to detect and assess them, especially from the 1960's onward.

From NGDC:

Erroneous statistical conclusions can be drawn from the numbers of earthquakes taken from Catalog of Significant Earthquakes, 2150 B.C. to the present. The reporting of large or destructive earthquakes is not homogeneous in space or time, particularly for periods prior to the 1900s. Because this publication mainly lists those earthquakes that have caused death or damage, the number of earthquake reports is dependent on the written history available for a particular region, as well as on the rate of development of population centers and related structures. Therefore, it is misleading to use the numbers of significant earthquakes in that publication to suggest statistically that there has been an increase in worldwide seismic activity since 1900 or for any time period. that "apparent" increase in activity:

Instrumental seismology is a young science. The first calibrated instruments to measure seismic waves traveling through the earth did not appear until the late 1800s. At that time, seismologists became aware of the vast numbers of earthquakes occurring throughout the world, but because of the insensitivity of their instruments they were able to locate only the large magnitude events.

The 1960s saw two major advances. First, a network of seismological observatories, the Worldwide Standardized Seismograph Network (WWSSN), was installed by the United States Government, principally to monitor underground nuclear tests. These sensitive instruments could detect and identify earthquakes anywhere in the world from about magnitude 4.5.

Second computers became available in the late 1960s. Computers allowed seismologists to leave inaccurate and cumbersome graphical methods of locating earthquakes, and to process the increasing volume of new network data more rapidly than ever before. Prior to 1962, only hundreds of earthquake epicenters were determined each year by Government and academic institutions, but the number increased to the thousands using computerized location methods. In some special local studies, more than 100,000 earthquakes per year were identified and located.

In summary, using the data in Catalog of Significant Earthquakes, 2150 B.C. to the present to suggest that there has been an increase in worldwide earthquake activity is misleading and erroneous. The above observations and reporting factors must also be considered when making statistical studies based on that historical data report.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/seg/hazard/sigintro.shtml

Not to mention all the earthquake/volcanic activity that occurs throughout the world without any nuclear test to allegedly "trigger" it.
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #66
73. On 12 October 1978, the British New Scientist reported: ...
Geophysicists in Germany and England believe the 1978 earthquake in Tabas, Iran, in which at least twenty-five thousand people were killed, may have been triggered by an underground nuclear explosion. . . . British seismologists believe the Tabas earthquake implies a nuclear test that has gone awry. . . . Moreover, a seismic laboratory in Uppsala, Sweden, recorded a Soviet nuclear test of unusual size--ten megatons--at Semipalitinsk only thirty-six hours before. . . . One German scientist specifically implicated this test in the origin of Tabas disaster.

I think the headline states :GEOPHYSICISTS, which last I checked were considered acredited scientists.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:36 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Good for you.
Thank you for posting this.

We just never know what mankind mayhem may be doing to our planet. It's wrong to just joke them off.

My husband, who is a scientist, also believes blasts, underground, can play a role in earthquakes. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but does it really seem like such a stretch? :eyes:

Thank you for the post.
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kitty1 Donating Member (772 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. Thanks KC2, We need to look at all sides of the equation.. n/t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. The North Korean test was awfully shallow
And not very big, only a 4.2. The killer quake that his Iran last year didn't have any nuclear bomb blast associated with it, and neither did the Christmas Tsunami of 2004.

The stresses on the tectonic plates are huge. I mean, how much does the pressure on the plates change just in the course of tidal effects? The depts of the ocean varies six or eight feet twice a day due to solar and luner gravity. How many billions of tons of force does this account for as cubic miles of ocean slosh around, not to mention the stress of the gravity changes on the plates themselves.

And if North Korea, or anybody else for that matter, can detonate nuclear bombs that causes earthquakes, doesn't that make them even more dangerous than simply nuking cities? And doesn't that make Bush's failures in nuclear proliferation oreign policy even greater?

And you'll be happy to know that the fundies think that stuff like the Christmas 2004 tsunami is part of a global corporate conspiracy to eliminate two-thirds of the population through earthquake-generating electromagnetic devices designed by Tesla.

http://www.higherpraise.com/tsunamib.htm
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. For one, why not post links to your source material? For another, given
your thesis, logically even light to moderate earthquakes should be triggering major catastophic earthquakes across the earth, thousands of miles away. Surely there must have been an earthquake in CA that also could have "triggered" a major earthquake in China for example, by that same logic. And considering the frequency of naturally occurring light to moderate earthquakes worldwide daily, the incidence of major catastrophic earthquakes should also be a daily event, given your assertion. And yet you're not asserting any such thing. Why not?

From USGS, which cites some specific examples:

...The Afghanistan earthquake occurred at 06:22:28 UT on May 30, 1998 and the thermonuclear test most closely associated in time occurred at 06:55 UT or after the occurrence of the earthquake. The other nuclear tests occurred 2-20 days before the earthquake.

The elastic strains induced in the epicentral region by the passage of the seismic wavefield generated by the largest of the nuclear tests, the May 11 Indian test with an estimated yield of 40 kilotons, is about 100 times smaller than the strains induced by the Earth's semi-diurnal (12 hour) tides that are produced by the gravitational fields of the Moon and the Sun. If small nuclear tests could trigger an earthquake at a distance of 1000 km, equivalent-sized earthquakes, which occur globally at a rate of several per day, would also be expected to trigger earthquakes. No such triggering has been observed... http://earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/faq.php?categoryID=12&faqID=88

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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:54 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. Here is a link for you:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/165/3899/1255

Underground Nuclear Explosions and the Control of Earthquakes


Cesare Emiliani 1, Christopher G. A. Harrison 1, and Mary Swanson 1
1 Institute of Marine Sciences, University of Miami, Miami, Florida 33149

Underground nuclear explosions trigger significant earthquake activity for at least 32 hours afterward and to distances up to at least 860 kilometers.



Here are some others, if you are interested:

http://www.bssaonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/74/3/819

http://md1.csa.com/partners/viewrecord.php?requester=gs&collection=TRD&recid=0155289CI&q=nuclear+explosions+may+trigger+earthquakes&uid=788981695&setcookie=yes






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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. Distance from NK to Hawaii: about 7,000 km. Depth of NK blast
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 10:23 PM by Garbo 2004
so close to surface it registered at 0 km. Depth of Hawaiian quake about 39 km.

Again, why aren't you asserting that we are having major catastrophic quakes daily all over the earth triggered by light quakes (at even greater depths than the NK test) thousands of km away across the earth? Why not instead assert the Oct 7 4.5 Mt Ranier area earthquake, for example, "caused" the earthquake in Hawaii?

Yet you have no problem asserting that a kiloton blast registering 4.2 near the surface in NK can trigger a 38km/24 mile deep 6.6 quake 7,000 km? You see no logical disconnect between the one assertion even you do not make and the other which you do?

And as the USGS excerpt I posted stated, the proposed Amchitka tests noted in the 1969 article you linked to did not result in increased activity in the earthquake prone region:

"One last point. The largest underground thermonuclear tests conducted by the US were detonated in Amchitka at the western end of the Aleutian Islands and the largest of these was the 5 megaton codename Cannikin test which occurred on November 6, 1971. Cannikin had a body wave magnitude of 6.9 and it did not trigger any earthquakes in the seismically active Aleutian Islands." http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:vInspa_ue9MJ:earthquake.usgs.gov/learning/faq.php%3FcategoryID%3D12%26faqID%3D88+increased+earthquake+activity+nuclear+tests&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=52&client=opera
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:31 PM
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59. There were NOT multiple quakes
Just to clarify, there were not multiple quakes on different islands. There was one quake offshore of the Big Island, and some aftershocks, which were felt on all of the islands. The Big Island experiences relatively minor quakes almost daily, and the stronger ones are usually felt on Maui as well. The really strong ones, such as today's 6.5 tremor, are felt on all islands.
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:05 PM
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2. symbolman said Kona side of Big Island got hit too - another thread.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:06 PM by bluerum
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solara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:06 PM
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4. CNN radio just reported the earthquake was 4.5 ????
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bluerum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. All these islands have seismic activity monitors because they
are all volcanic.

The epicenter may be somewhere near Kona on the Big Island from what I have been reading.

It makes sense that Honolulu and Maui would feel a weaker quake as they are a ways away from the Big Island..
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:15 PM
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19. Maui got a 3.0 all by itself
I have a cousin there and he says they NEVER have quakes.

3.0 was enough to rattle dishes and make pictures on the wall go cockeyed.
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Ediacara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:42 PM
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26. Your cousin is not entirely correct
Large quakes are somewhat rare in Hawai'i, but anywhere active volcanoes exist, earthquakes happen. It is a little unusual that the small quake was not on the Big Island, but there are lots of faults all over the chain. I suspect that the two big quakes on the Big Island transfered stress elsewhere.

Here's a live picture of the eastern end of the chain:

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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:59 PM
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31. We have had a lot of small quakes this year
some in unusual locations such as off Moloka'i. As mentioned above, small to medium-size ones are fairly common near Kilauea volcano, but nothing like this, and on the other side of the island (around 75 miles away) to boot. :scared:

Oh, if you're asking "How on Earth is KamaAina able to post?", the answer lies in the back bedroom of Mom's apartment in NYC, where I am visiting. Amazingly enough, we are but a block and a half from the site of the plane crash and building fire the other day! :eyes:
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:15 PM
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9. I'm seeing a 6.3 & 5.8 on the monitors
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:07 PM
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5. Pele is definitely pissed!!
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Nolo_Contendre Donating Member (259 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:10 PM
Response to Original message
7. Tell Bobby Brady to return the tiki
or else more bad luck is sure to follow.

(I hope everyone on the islands is OK)
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:17 PM
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11. Link: Magnitude 6.3 earthquake strikes Hawaii
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:26 PM by cal04
An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.3 struck Hawaii early Sunday morning, waking up residents and knocking out power across the island of Oahu.


The U.S. Geological Survey also reported several aftershocks, including one measuring a magnitude of 5.8. No damage reports were immediately available

The quake occurred at 7:07 a.m. local time, 10 miles north-northwest of Kailua Kona, a town on the west coast of the Big Island, said Don Blakeman, a geophysicist at the National Earthquake Information Center, part of the U.S. Geological Survey.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061015/ap_on_re_us/hawaii_earthquake

Magnitude 6.3 earthquake strikes Hawaii
Temblor follows 4.9 quake; power affected, damage status unknown
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15278030/
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:20 PM
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12. Link to USGS Hawaii earthquake map:
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:25 PM by kestrel91316
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/special/Hawaii.php

Looks like the action is centered off the NW coast of the Big Island. Nothing over 5.0 per USGS.


Link to better map:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/HI2/19.21.-157.-155.php

This one shows the 6.3. Don't know why the first map only shows the smaller quakes.......
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:36 PM
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13. HOW DOES ROVE DO THIS??!!
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:40 PM by PCIntern
Amazing...

:evilfrown: :evilgrin: :hippie: :party: :toast: :bounce: :mad: :puke: :eyes: :smoke: :think: :crazy: :silly: :wtf: :argh: :freak: :dunce: :hangover: :nopity: :hurts: :boring: :spank: :wow: :beer: :grr: :nuke: :scared: :thumbsdown: :thumbsup: :hi: :dem: :kick: :shrug: :puffpiece: :loveya: :donut: :tinfoilhat: :hug: :grouphug: :cry: :pals: :headbang: :yourock: :banghead: :dilemma: :blush: :rant: :sarcasm: :woohoo: :applause: :hide: :popcorn: :rofl: :spray: :patriot: :yoiks:
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:21 PM
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67. Heheheheh
He's an evil genius....and the ruler of the universe. :yoiks:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:50 PM
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82. Also my first thought...
But Hawaii is far from the disaster resources here in the States, so if there is widespread damage there is no way the Feds can launch a massive reponse quickly, so it won't look good regardless.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:42 PM
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15. USGS site is showing two large quakes just NNW of the big island
and numerous aftershocks, including one on Lanai.

Spoke to my mom, leeward side of Oahu is blacked out, no landline phone, cellular still funcitonal.

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsus/Maps/HI2/19.21.-157.-155.php

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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:10 PM
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17. yeesh ... my friend's 85 yr old mom
was supposed to have flown from hilo to oahu to meet up w/ Daughter in Law

they have no idead whether the lady is stuck in Hilo or made the flight.

she's feisty and smart, though. she'll be ok.
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:27 PM
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37. I heard that the Honolulu Airport
is closed to Departing flights (I would expect inter-island flights as well, for now)

Incoming flights are being handled via the airport running on generators, but I would anticipate mainland flights not already in the air to be delayed/rescheduled.

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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:17 PM
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49. i guess they're stuck there
but there's family they can stay with. thanks!
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:23 PM
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20. Guess who's scheduled to fly into Maui Tuesday
:-(


Wish us well.
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Veronica.Franco Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:39 PM
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23. You'll feel rocking and rolling while you are there .... aftershocks...
It takes a few weeks for one of this magnitude to calm down ... so be ready for that rolling feeling of being on a boat while you're there ... but other than that it isn't too big a hassle ... I've lived through these in California and most of the aftershocks are less the 4.0 ... so go and have a great time ... BUT call your hotel and make sure they are OPEN and functioning before you go ... I don't think Maui had any significant damage ... but you never know ....
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:23 PM
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36. What timing...
:hug:

My Michigan relatives are supposed to be heading back to their condo at Kailua - Kona on the Big Island for the winter. Because they are aging, this is supposed to be their last winter there.
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junior college Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:40 PM
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24. Silver lining for California


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:50 PM
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28. Not funny. I'm a foot away from that.
:scared:
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junior college Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:20 PM
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35. Here in the Mission we're OK
But I wouldn't want to live in the Sunset right about now.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:30 PM
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38. 48th & Judah. Tell you what, when I see the wave,
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 03:30 PM by sfexpat2000
I'll PM you.

:)
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junior college Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:27 PM
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50. Yep. You are a foot away from that
I'd pack some clothes in a bag in case you have to get out fast. Avoid 92, 101 and and 80.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:08 PM
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76. Last time the West Coast had a tsunami warning, I was on DU
so I had about an hour and a half.

However, since no one at the Hall of Justice was watching the right fax machine, our local teevee stations only got the warning out 15 minutes before the wave was supposed to hit.

lol
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junior college Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:11 PM
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80. We can't rely on the government
to help us in the event of a disaster. That's why we all need to be prepared with an emergency supply kit. Here's mine..

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:34 PM
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86. Very impressive. After watching the Katrina coverage,
I stocked supplies for two weeks of sheltering in place + "to go" packs for us in case we need to leave. Thought about a gun but figured I'd probably just shot something off that I'd need later.

:)
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:48 PM
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53. Welcome to DU Junior College
:hi:
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:40 PM
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25. friend is flying home today
now am wondering if he'll make it?
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Nictuku Donating Member (907 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:30 PM
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39. Honolulu Airport Closed
Departing flights have been closed (probably will be rescheduled)

I heard this on KKCR, streaming Kaui Community Radio station

www.kkcr.org

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:47 PM
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27. Oh no.
:scared:
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:55 PM
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29. VIDEO-LIVE NOW Hawaii 6.5 earthquake coverage from KITV 4 Honolulu
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architect359 Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:04 PM
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32. Another source of information is KSSK-FM
http://www.ksskradio.com/main.html

Sounds like power is slowing coming back in a few areas along the H-3 highway corridor.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:05 PM
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33. Please take care my island friends!
Don't be embarrassed to head for higher ground, just in case there is a tsumani...better safe than sorry.

:grouphug:
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:47 PM
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40. I second that good wish and advice, KC2.
If the animals start heading for the hills,
the humans should follow their lead.


Be safe, my Hawaiian friends!

:grouphug:

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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:52 PM
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42. I was kama'aina for years, still have family and friends there.
I can't get a hold of anyone.

Hawaii'ans here? What's da kine? MKJ
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:07 PM
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44. I've been trying to call my brother and his family. Pearl City area.
I can't get through. Anyone know of anything about that area. MKJ
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:13 PM
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46. i'm from pearl city but haven't tried to call
n/t
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:15 PM
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47. Thanks, my brother called my dad, who's from Molokai, on the mainland now.
He and his family are OK. MKJ
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:12 PM
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45. i got thru to downtown Honolulu no problems
but my friends won't be able to fly out today.
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lynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:31 PM
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51. 6.6 off of Kona Coast of Big Island per USGS - Kona Hosp. Evacuated
due to structural damage. No electricity all way across island to Hilo. Landslide blocking part of major roadway on Big Island - per TV reports.
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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:56 PM
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55. Oct. 7th earthquake outside of Mt. Ranier
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 05:00 PM by nomatrix
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:22 PM
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57. BBC - Strong earthquake rattles Hawaii
15 October 2006

An early-morning earthquake at sea has knocked out power and toppled rock walls across the US state of Hawaii but there are no reports of deaths.

US scientists recorded the 6.3 quake at 0707 (1607 GMT) six miles (10km) south-west of the coastal town of Puako on the state's southernmost Big Island.

There was "no report at all of any fatality", Governor Linda Lingle said.

A US scientist said there was no risk of a tsunami but "significant wave activity" in Hawaii.

The quake was felt as far as 150 miles (240km) away to the north-west on the island of Oahu where some people were trapped in lifts.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6053796.stm


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smitty Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:32 PM
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60. This earthquake was just off the west coast of the Big Island,
maybe Hualalai is getting ready to go active.

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanoes/hualalai/
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:47 PM
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62. K & R, live stream here. No word from the island of Molokai or the airport
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:15 PM
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65. Fox news erroneous reporting
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 06:18 PM by KC2
Why did I check in on FoxNews? I should know better.

They keep showing this photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/konaboy/270534794) and saying it is Oahu. This landslide, as amazing as the photo is, was not on Oahu. It was taken of Kealakekua Bay which is on the island of Hawaii, otherwise known as the Big Island.

Stupid Fox...:eyes:
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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:55 PM
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83. did they label the earthquake a democrat?
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:07 PM
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84. ROFL!
:rofl:

They might try, but we all know the bigguns are Republicons because of the disasters they leave behind.

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PittPoliSci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:10 PM
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85. hah! true that!
:)
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:22 PM
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68. vibing opihi
hope all is well!
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:27 PM
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69. I noticed the Honolulu beach cam is offline
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:33 PM
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70. Can anyone find a working webcam streaming out of Hawaii?
Looks like the most popular ones are all down!
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:39 PM
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71. I found one out in Oahu looks like something is burning in the distance
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:45 PM
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87. There was a fire reported at a home because of a gas line break
That's usual, unfortunately, after a big quake. :(
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:42 PM
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72. This one, on Alii drive is still up:
http://www.hawaii-kona.com/webcam/index.html


(it takes about a minute to load)
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 03:00 PM
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88. Geez, I live in Manoa, O'ahu
and my power didn't come back on until 11:30 PM last night. My cellphone was out until 11:15 PM because the network was so clogged.

My roomate lived through the Northridge earthquake and was sleeping at the time. He told me that after the first quake yesterday morning he was like, "OK, I am not getting up for this". When the second quake hit, he was like, "OK, I better stand in the doorway".

Kind of weird how the power went out all over the islands, especially considering since O'ahu is fairly far away from the Big Island.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 03:04 PM
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89. I'm glad you are ok.. Quakes can be very "unsettling"
We have small ones all the time here, and usually they are the bump-shake-shift type.. Drive my cats CRAZY :)
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Quetzal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 03:58 PM
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90. yeah, my manager is a cat lover
and she had like 6 cats at home. two of them ran away but one came back home. considering how much she pampers them, the last one is definetly coming home.
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:59 PM
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92. Power Outages
Quetzal, I live on Maui and our power was restored within a couple of hours in some places, but it took up to 11 hours in other places.

I saw on one of the news channels this morning that all of the power stations have seismic sensors which automatically shut down the power grids when a certain level is reached. It then takes a long manual process to re-set them.
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