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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:47 AM
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Newsday: Senator Clinton urges Dean to raise campaign funds
Hillary urges Dean to raise campaign funds
BY GLENN THRUSH
Newsday Washington Bureau
September 28, 2006

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton took a backhanded swipe at Democratic National Committee boss Howard Dean Thursday, saying Dean's long-term party-building efforts should take a back seat to fundraising for the midterm elections....

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"We're doing investments, you know, in ground and other efforts which will be very beneficial, but the RNC has about $60 million to $70 million waiting to drop on our candidates," she added....

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To boost Democratic coffers, Bill and Hillary Clinton will host a million-dollar fundraiser for party committees on Oct. 4 at their Washington mansion, Whitehaven.

The senator also plans events in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Florida, and will host an event for Virginia senatorial hopeful Jim Webb....Many Democrats, including Clinton advisers, are frustrated with Dean's "50-state strategy," which accentuates grassroots organizing at the expense of election-specific cash-grabbing.

The Democrats' Senate and House fundraising committees, led by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Rahm Emmanuel (D-Ill.), have had banner years, while Dean's DNC has lagged with about $11 million on hand compared to the RNC's $39 million in the bank....

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-ushil...
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:48 AM
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1. What about Hillary's presidential fundraising?
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:50 AM
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3. Good question, she has 43 mill right? Why doesn't SHE help out?
eom
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:12 PM
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19. Sounds like a "swifty" article meant to cause consternation..
The usual when it comes to Hillary..taken out of context
slathered in inuendo..and voila! Instant criticism and disdain.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:19 PM
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20. I agree
but ultimately she may have to answer the question many pose.

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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 02:44 PM
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27. agreed..
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 02:48 PM by Tellurian
I hadn't read the entire article when I made the post,
just sensing the enmity in the Headline and the quoted paragraphs posted.

After reading the article in it's entirety, there is a paragraph here:
in case anyone missed it..

"Clinton campaign spokeswoman Ann Lewis said the senator's remarks weren't meant to be critical of Dean, calling them "a positive reference to the 50-state strategy and also a recognition that we still need to raise money for Democrats." Clinton hopes to help raise an additional $5 million for candidates; several insiders predicted the Clintons might generate as much as $2 million at next week's fundraiser."

reinforcing what I know to be True.

It doesn't even make sense for Hillary to be critical of Howard Dean..

and if he IS having trouble getting the war chest up to snuff, I'm sure Hill or Bill
would gladly lend a hand and raise the balance of the deficient War Chest, in one afternoon,
as mentioned in the article.

another.....swifty~swifty~swifty~....attempt, goes awry!
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:51 AM
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4. Why doesn't she ask her buddy Rupert Murdock for some chump
change or hit up her new friends from the Bilderberglove fest of the rich and powerful?
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:37 PM
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25. Why don't you dis pugs instead of dems?
Hillary Clinton is more than generous with her time and money. Your ignorance is showing.

BTW, almost every potential presidential contender is invited to Bilderberg.
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enigmacat Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:51 PM
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29. It's called "freedom of speech"
And, I believe we still have it. Your ignorance is the one on display.
Hillary Clinton is a disappointment to me, especially considering who her husband is.
If this is not a smear piece, than Hillary should take the time to remember back in the 2004 elections, whom it was who was fighting back against the Rethugs: Dean. What happened when he was swift boated for a simple rally cry? (Crickets chirping.)
Hillary=Disappointment.

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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:54 PM
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30. So was Chalibi.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:49 AM
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2. Don't see that as a "backhanded swipe." I see it as her expressing
concern. I do hope she picked up the phone and shared personally, privately. But, she has a point. WE have to get busy raising money. I wish Trippi and Dean still had a relationship, they were a great team.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:01 AM
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7. this is a serious problem..grass roots is great but when the rethugs
start their commericals and our dems have dead air..fade to black..who do you think will win???

the $10. and $15.00 checks are great on the grassroot level..but is sure does not buy commercical time!

our local and state camapigns can not survive with $2.00 donations!..we can not compete in any way ..we can not buy the commerical time ..the yard signs..the palm cards..the flyers..with just grassroots $$$

just wait when you see 10:1 commercials in the coming weeks rethug to dem...

idealism does not win elections anymore..commericals do!


just my 2 cents..

fly
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:26 AM
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10. The TV ads are the crux of the problem with Dean and Rahm.
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 11:36 AM by madfloridian
I posted the NYT article about the whole argument. Will be out in the magazine Sunday, online now. The article got zero comments. Dean wants to pay for on the ground, GOTV stuff, Rahm wanted the TV ads.

NYT: The Inside Agitator

I think basically Dean will contribute to Rahm to GOTV but not for ads.

Secondly, look at Hillary's figures...and let's not even worry about who has the money. Figures from June Leadership PAC totals.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-New York)

Senate re-election committee (Friends of Hillary):

$5,367,121.78 contributions 2nd quarter

$5,679,413.01 total raised 2nd quarter

$3,381,896.69 total spent 2nd quarter

$22,000,937.48 cash-on-hand as of 6/30/2006

Leadership PAC (Hill PAC):

$136,695.00 contributions in June

$136,734.56 total raised in June

$179,902.14 total spent in June

$57,072.59 cash-on-hand as of 6/30/2006

527 (HILLPAC-NY):

$0 raised 2nd quarter

$1000 spent 2nd quarter
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:59 AM
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13. what part of this are people not getting ..forget hillary..how about
all the other candidates..hillary is in rich NY others are not..that is naive..i don't give a shit about Hillary..i give a shit about congress people in my state that get $5.00 donations and can't afford a damn commerical..and yet their rethug opponants have commericals running 24/7

grass roots smass roots..that will not get them elected..hard dollars and commericals will

if people do not know their name..how the fuck will they get elected??

hillary is not our problem..getting our local congress people elected is!

and don't even go near me with Rahm..he interfered with so many primary elections in my state fucking great candidates to fill his coffer of dlc types..i do not even want to go down that road..he is a scum bag..

of the worst degree..

we need commercials ..we need them now..and for that we need money..on all local levels..for congress and the senate..

and unless the grassroots people can start writing $10,000. checks..we are fucked!

you just wait..till you see the commercials any day now...

that is the rethug October surprise!

count on it!

fly

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:03 PM
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14. Well, don't get upset with me..
The money is being diverted to 08.

That ain't my fault.

We have given until it hurts. We don't have anyone locally to donate to, so we help the DNC, DFA, and selected candidates.

I think a lot of pwople do that.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:17 PM
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23. i am not upset with you, i am saying the realities ..the realities are
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 01:19 PM by flyarm
hillary doesn't mean jack shit right now..getting a congress in the D column does!

hillary means jack shit right now..

we can deal with her when we win a house back..and how much money she has doesn't mean a hill of beans..

we need money for our other candidates..hillary's seat is safe..

i see candidates daily that can't get 2 dimes to rub together..and they are constantly begging me for more and more money because i do write big checks..but it has to be all of us..and it has to be big checks not $2.00 and $5.00 checks..that will get no one elected..i am sorry to say that but it is true.

that is reality.

but what Hillary is saying is reality.. we need money and we need it fast..

the October surprise is the rethugs have the big bucks for commericals..and for the gotv ..they are flying people in putting them up in expensive hotels to beat our candidates in key areas..that is reality..

fly
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:39 PM
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26. Then she should call on her donors to give to the DNC so..
the DNC can give to more candidates, PLUS build the party, PLUS take back the state governments.

Did you realize the DSCC and the DCCC don't have to worry about state levels...the DNC is responsible for them. That takes money.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:55 AM
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5. "a back-handed swipe"
Nice opening characterization against Dem unity. The reality is that the Clintons have a point that the opportunity now to simply harvest votes depends on financing and staffing all the campaign efforts. dean is absolutely right about the long term and his efforts spawn exactly the kind of volunteer effort that is vital for successful campaigning. You can debate media ads vs. ground troops. The fact is that opportunity exists in abundance.

BOTH should be done. History is full of examples of people urging boldness with victory in sight and not really mattering in the long run, sometimes just getting in the way in their interference. But this is about resources that should be applied. I think it is an allowance that when Dean speaks he gets MORE donations than the other big names.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 10:56 AM
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6. I'll just sit back and watch
:popcorn:
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:08 AM
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8. thats the problem ..too many sit back and watch..and thats why we are
where we are!!

how about we all turn our computers off this weekend and get to work??

i am passing out flyers for all our candidates this weekend at a chowder festival that brings in 55,000 people..

and i just heard Ed Gilespe is going to be there signing his book..well i am going to confront him and ask him how he like fascism..and i am going to ask him when is he writing his next book about how America became a fascist state..

i am going to confront him loudly in front of everyone!

we need people going to all rethug town hall meetings confronting these so called rethug candidates..in front of the reich wingers..and demand answers..they get a free ride..now that pissy pants has drawn lines..we need to get in their faces..and now!! in all our towns and cities...

no one confronts these mother fuckers in their own home towns..thats what we all need to do..

get groups together..and go to confront the mother fuckers!

fly
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:15 AM
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9. A couple of comments...
Edited on Fri Sep-29-06 11:17 AM by madfloridian
Another comment...if this was at the Women's Leadership forum with Gilibrand yesterday in DC...then Dean was there with them. I doubt she would do that in front of him. He spoke there briefly.

Another comment, those who talk about money should..oh well..
From the June 2006 Leadership PAC totala for fundraising. This is unreal.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-New York)

Senate re-election committee (Friends of Hillary):

$5,367,121.78 contributions 2nd quarter

$5,679,413.01 total raised 2nd quarter

$3,381,896.69 total spent 2nd quarter

$22,000,937.48 cash-on-hand as of 6/30/2006

Leadership PAC (Hill PAC):

$136,695.00 contributions in June

$136,734.56 total raised in June

$179,902.14 total spent in June

$57,072.59 cash-on-hand as of 6/30/2006

527 (HILLPAC-NY):

$0 raised 2nd quarter

$1000 spent 2nd quarter
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:05 PM
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16. who the fuck cares how much money hillary has??????? how much
does our candidate running for congress have???

how much does our candidate in other states have to run for senate or governor??

thats what the fuck counts..not fucking hillary!!

she does not have the answer for my candidates!!

she has a slam dunk..my candidate does not..and he can't get name recognition without commercials and money damn it!

we can put people on the street passing out flyers ..up to our asshole..but when his opponent starts the commericals ( with rnc money) and our guy doesn't have the money..because grassroots isn't getting him the dollars..well i guess he is just shit out of luck..but so are we all!

fly
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:20 PM
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21. I agree, but I don't know what to do.
I think we are saying the same thing basically.

I support many candidates from other areas. I often post about TX candidates for example.

Bill Nelson has more money than God, so I help others out.
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:28 PM
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24. yes we are saying the same thing..and i do the same..
first of all nelson is in my state as well and he does not reflect my values in any way..he doesn't need the money ..and the retugs will not get behind drucella..so it is safe for nelson..so i give my money in my other state ( i live in 2 states)

and i am trying desparately to get money ..big money for our senate and people running for congress..but the dem party is not giving money to our candidates..because they don't have it..

all this grass roots stuff is great ...but it will not help when we can't even run commercials to combat the lies of the rethugs..or get our candidates names out there..since we do not have media coverage..how can we do it without commercials??

and that takes big bucks...

we give house parties..i figured the last house party i would have been better to give the money i spent on the party ..straight to the candidate..for the $$ donations he got..it was pittance..i spent 10 fold just doing the party to what he got..

and i am not denegrating what people are giving ,.most are giving all they can..thats not my point..my point is we can not do it with grassroots alone..it will not win us seats..period..that is reality..

we need companies and corporate types..even if it makes us choke..that is reality...

most normal people can't write the $10,000 checks..that is reality..

and Dean and the DNC needs to court those people ..now!! he needs to call in all chips..from the wealthy..

he needs to get money now!!

fly
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:31 AM
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11. I thought all this was settled.
Howard agreed not to set policy and the dlc dinos would not interfere w/ running the party. Back off hillary! Howard is doing ALL the ground work that was ignored, neglected & allowed to stagnate from 1992 until 2005.
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allisonthegreat Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 11:40 AM
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12. Democrats and others will give
at the last minute possible...
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:04 PM
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15. Hilary
She has only a weak token Republican oppornent yet she keeps rasing money for her presidential campagin under the guise of needing It for her senate campagin and she has the nerve to attack Dean for trying to rebuild the party.
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Doremus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:09 PM
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17. So, how helpful WAS all that money spent on ads the last dozen years?
Dean has far out-fundraised McAuliffe. It isn't his fault that his predecessors didn't do squat to build an infrastructure.

Without one we will continue to get our asses handed to us in every election.


If Hilary cares so much, why doesn't she fork over some of that cash she's hoarding for '08?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 05:43 PM
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33. Dems HAVE been winning but Dem party INFRASTRUCTURE was too collapsed
to get their votes counted in crucial states.The infrastructure was left to collapse since 1997 - and I'm beginning to think that SOME powerhungry segment LIHOP.

Dean's working night and day on that infrastructure state by state, and you just know SOME are planning to push him out after all his work.

I can see it coming.

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:10 PM
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18. Dean, like some of us, is playing "the long game".
While it got my posts deleted yesterday, I'll say it again today:

There are bigger, better goals out there than simply winning "the
next election". Converting the entire country back from automatically
thinking that "Democrat = Godless faggot-loving p*ssy" would be one
of those goals and Dean, via his "fifty-state strategy" is working
very hard on that goal.

Tesha


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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 12:34 PM
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22. She said, sitting on a 22 million dollar war chest.
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ecoalex Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 03:22 PM
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28. These are all DLC traitors who support the war
Don't they get enough $$ from Murdock, and the K street lobbists they crow about shaking down? Time to break off from the DLC scumbags.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:22 PM
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31. Terry McAuliffe IGNORED party infrastructure and FAILED to secure votes
being cast for Democrats.

Dean is building the infrastructure that McAuliffe COLLAPSED in crucial states so that the Dems who EARNED their wins had many of their votes STOLEN by the RNC's machine.

Hillary has it ass backwards. Or did Terry McAuliffe LIHOP?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #31
32. I was a bit surprised..
McAuliffe had done a piss poor job while Clinton was in office. He behaved like
his feet were glued to the floor and never did a ding-dang thing to rally the base..

McAuliffe is co-hosting with daughter, Chelsea. I don't think he really deserved
that spot, but if this is a mending fences gesture, I hope he is carefully watched
and if he slips up, Bill uses his size 12s and kicks the orangutan to the curb.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:20 AM
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34. But He Was Great at Fund-raising
Grrrr.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 10:31 AM
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35. Go dean - this is what the rw did and took over all three branches
Dean is right
When Kerry ran - at the end he had 15 million left over that he never spent - it could have gone to other democratic races
We need the whole thing and not republican lite anyway -
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-01-06 11:07 AM
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36. Deans' doing great. He's creating a democratic message so that you don't
even need to know the name of the Dem, you just need to know that Dems stand for this and that.

Unlike the foolish DLC nitwits who want to blur the lines between Republicans and Democrats so that people have no idea who or what they are votng for. Then you have to have a bazillion dollars to sell the face of the person to know they are the Dem candidate because they sound just like the Republican.
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