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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:10 AM
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Bob Woodward: Bush Misleads On Iraq

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/28/60minutes/main2047607.shtml

Bob Woodward: Bush Misleads On Iraq
Tells 60 Minutes' Mike Wallace Kissinger Is Regular Visitor To White House

(CBS) Veteran Washington reporter Bob Woodward tells Mike Wallace that the Bush administration has not told the truth regarding the level of violence, especially against U.S. troops, in Iraq. He also reveals key intelligence that predicts the insurgency will grow worse next year.

...


The situation is getting much worse, says Woodward, despite what the White House and the Pentagon are saying in public. "The truth is that the assessment by intelligence experts is that next year, 2007, is going to get worse and, in public, you have the president and you have the Pentagon , 'Oh, no, things are going to get better,'" he tells Wallace. "Now there’s public, and then there’s private. But what did they do with the private? They stamp it secret. No one is supposed to know," says Woodward.

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Woodward also reports that the president and vice president often meet with Henry Kissinger, who was President Richard Nixon’s secretary of state, as an adviser. Says Woodward, "Now what’s Kissinger’s advice? In Iraq, he declared very simply, ‘Victory is the only meaningful exit strategy.'" Woodward adds. "This is so fascinating. Kissinger’s fighting the Vietnam War again because, in his view, the problem in Vietnam was we lost our will."

President Bush is absolutely certain that he has the U.S. and Iraq on the right course, says Woodward. So certain is the president on this matter, Woodward says, that when Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me."

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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:17 AM
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1. What if it's just Barney?
(supporting *)
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:18 AM
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2. Thanks for the laugh. I needed that.
What happened to Bob Woodward? Did he stop drinking the kool-aid?
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:19 PM
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28. Maybe old bob woodshed sees a need to play both sides at the
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 04:19 PM by calimary
moment. Maybe he thinks the dynamics in Washington are changing and it's time to hedge his bets. Probably because he recognizes that OUR book-buying money spends as well as any republi-CONS' money does, and he does need those all-important book sales, doesn't he? It's just not very smart to keep alienating at least half (if not more) of your potential fan/client base.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:19 AM
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11. I wouldn't even count on Barney
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:23 AM
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3. Yeah Bob and you and Judith Miller and all the other
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 10:23 AM by RamboLiberal
f'in inside the beltway "journalists" who forgot what the job of a journalist is supposed to be f'in were "The Enablers".

Time for you to retire!
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:24 AM
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4. Woodward is a tool. He was carrying water for this band of liars for
years.

He makes me sick.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:27 AM
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5. Way too late Bobby. You sold out long ago. And you sold
us out way back then as well.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:33 AM
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6. "...Kissinger Is Regular Visitor To White House"
Isn't this the only place he can go without being arrested as a war criminal?

Manhattan’s Milosevic
How You Can Do What the Government Won’t: Arrest Henry Kissinger>
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:36 AM
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7. The blood of the lost soldiers lies on your hands BW......
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:47 AM
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8. henry's fighting Vietnam again...
how wonderful! no wonder it feels just like 1970. i'm so lucky to be living in such "doomed to repeat it" times.
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:56 AM
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9. Well between Bush not being able to form complete sentences
and Kissinger never mastering clear english, the accuracy of the discussions must be questioned. Especially since Chaney is doing the interpreting.
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:09 AM
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10. Thanks for that news flash, Bob
:eyes:
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 11:47 AM
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12. Kissinger...(where is Condi)...the self proclaim Soviet expert and current
Secretary of State
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:26 PM
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13. Add him to the list of "Omigod, I'm losing my career!"
desperados who are sniffing the air and crab walking away from their past warmonger rhetoric.
Notice how even Scarborough and O'Reilly are abandoning the attack dog tactics against liberals? They're trying out their "rational newsman" personas. Their audiences are getting older, poorer and dumber while the juicy markets goes to Olberman and Stewart.
Too late.
And too late for war cheerleader Bruce Willis, who attempted to revive his sagging career last week with "concerns" about the war.
Too late for Harvey Keitel who took part in a nasty hit on the Clinton administration with "Path to 9-11". Read the script, Harvey.
Woodward is a real hack. Remember his obsequious worship of Bush after 9-11? He was all over the TV, gushing over his new crush.
Whore.



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NoSunWithoutShadow Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 06:59 PM
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32. Yes indeed, Woody, whore of the century


(From the greatly missed Media Whores Online.)
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:29 PM
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14. Woodward jumping ship coupled with Howard Fineman's
remarks on Keith the other night vouching for Clinton's recitation of facts regarding Bin Laden are sure signs that W has jumped the shark.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 12:35 PM
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15. there's a comments section below the article...
...and some of the comments here deserve to be posted there!
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:01 PM
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16. words fail me
Kissinger should have been hung for war crimes long, long ago.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:07 PM
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17. Kissinger!!!!! Oh My Gawd
Kissinger is trying to re-fight the Viet Nam debacle. No wonder the parallels are so amazing.

That senile old war criminal can't even go to Europe because of warrants for his arrest for war crimes, and this doddering fool is telling Smirk and Cheney to keep it up?


I don't know whether to *&*& or go blind.

:arg:
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:02 PM
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24. "Aspens are Turning" and "Autumn Leaves" w/Henry Lurking
http://www.newint.org/issue360/worldbeaters.htm

And this is when those credentials get a little soiled. Bremer is known to have sat on at least one committee with Colonel Oliver North, the most prominent member of a semi-official conspiracy in the US to fund the Contra paramilitaries in Nicaragua with money laundered from illegal arms sales to Iran.

Bremer was at the helm of counter-terrorism in 1988 when Pam Am flight 103 was blown out of the sky over Lockerbie, Scotland, killing 259 people. ‘Mr Bremer is at the top of the list of administrators, officials and executives who should be in jail by now,’ says Marina de Larracoechea, whose daughter was killed in the disaster. ‘Lockerbie was an expected and preventable massacre. Appointing him is a guaranteed formula for ineptitude, ignorance and disaster.’

Bremer’s ‘can-do’ reputation took a boost, nonetheless, when he followed Henry Kissinger – his boss at the State Department – to become chief operating officer at Kissinger & Associates in 1989. Here he pursued his interest in terrorism and other ‘risks’ to corporate America, including trade unions. ‘If President Clinton means to get serious about the fight against terrorism,’ he wrote in the Wall Street Journal on 5 August 1996, ‘he should leave the White House Press Room and head downstairs to the basement Situation Room.’ The ‘Situation Room’ is where Presidents fight their real wars.

Increasingly revered as some sort of seer, Bremer became chair of the National Commission on Terrorism which reported to Congress on 8 June 2000. The Commission recommended, among other things, the reversal of the CIA’s policy of not employing known human-rights abusers as agents. ‘The threat of terrorism is changing dramatically,’ he warned. ‘It is becoming more deadly and it is striking us here at home.’

On 11 September 2001 a casual observer might have drawn two quite opposite conclusions about Bremer: either that he had admirable foresight, or that he can’t have been much good at his job. The former view of him prevailed in Washington – and proved very profitable for Bremer himself. He became Chair and Chief Executive Officer of Marsh Crisis Consulting, a subsidiary of the giant Marsh & McLennan conglomerate, hiring out his reputation to jittery corporations.

Despite his close association with Henry Kissinger – who was forced to withdraw from leading the inquiry into ‘9/11’ because of ‘conflicts of interest’ – Bremer co-chaired the right-wing Heritage Foundation’s ‘Homeland Security Task Force’. The Task Force is credited with having inspired the creation of the US Office of Homeland Security and the curtailment of rights in the US that has come with it.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_theories_into_the_bombing_of_Pan_Am_Flight_103#Iran.2C_the_PFLP-GC.2C_and_operation_Autumn_Leaves

Iran, the PFLP-GC, and operation Autumn Leaves

Also here:

http://billmon.org/archives/000092.html

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:20 PM
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18. I wonder why he's decided to pipe up all of the sudden...? nt
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heliarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:25 PM
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19. That's what I'm saying.
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 01:25 PM by heliarc
Bob Woodward has spook written all over him. I wouldn't be surprised if this was part of some directive from somewhere within the intelligence community. They are quite at odds with this administration, and it may be some sort of movement from within... Just a hunch.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:45 PM
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20. " I wonder why he's decided to pipe up all of the sudden...?
He has a new book for sale.
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wellst0nev0ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:51 PM
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21. Bush Misleads On Eye-Rack? Well Shit On Me And Call Me A Sundae!
All the lies were public knowledge before the war, Woodward you asshole. Instead you decide to cover the Bush administration's ass when they leaked Valerie Plame's name. Maybe if you stopped being so fucking vague and detail how the fuck Eye-Rack is worse than it possibly is (like that's possible) and burn all your self-interested sources if you have to. Until you do, you'll never be more than a hack and a bushtard.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:52 PM
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22. "I" will not withdraw tells pretty much the whole story. nt
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:58 PM
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34. It tells me that people will continue to die until at least January 2009
How many will die because of a mistake?
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shrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 01:57 PM
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23. Too f**kin' late, ***hole
You're a traitor, the worst kind.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:39 PM
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25. Kissinger??? Oh, great idea
maybe they could borrow Nancy Reagan's psychic and channel Nixon
for some advice.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 02:48 PM
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26. Nixon is rolling over in his grave in sequence with The Nazis of
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 02:48 PM by ShortnFiery
the 1930s exclaiming, "You beautiful bastards! We could only DREAM of what you have now been able to do, wiretap, spy and detain ANYONE indefinitely." :wow:

Oh, "Tricky Dick" Nixon is one jealous spirit during the week our Democracy has died. :grr:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:15 PM
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27. "Death by plane" Kissinger?
Edited on Thu Sep-28-06 04:16 PM by Straight Shooter
Yes, I imagine the advice he gives is quite sane and rational.

:sarcasm:

I wonder if he dreams of pushing people who dissent on Iraq out of airplanes.
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RedSock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:19 PM
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29. just another bush stenographer
just another bush stenographer/right-wing whore.

buh-bye bobby.


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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 04:56 PM
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30. Fuck you, Bob. Hope you die soon, right after your book bombs.
I think that's all I really need to say.
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gizmo1979 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 05:24 PM
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31. Why is Woodward sucking up now?
After throwing us under the bus during Plamegate he comes back and starts telling us Bush is lying?Well duh!Anyone who reads the papers can tell it's getting much worse.All the lipstick this administration has tried to put on this pig there must be somekind of lipstick shortage?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 08:47 PM
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33. Well, gee Bob...you helped him.
Getting a little senile, are we?
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-28-06 10:01 PM
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35. Bob tell us something we didn't know... Your just catching up
to that you were a traitor to america
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-29-06 01:12 PM
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36. lets just eliminate the intelligence budget then
let's just save billions and not generate intelligence, reports, strategic assessments of the situation etc. since they don't matter at all to the the decider-in-chief.

"So certain is the president on this matter, Woodward says, that when Mr. Bush had key Republicans to the White House to discuss Iraq, he told them, "I will not withdraw, even if Laura and Barney are the only ones supporting me."

that is not admirable. that is not leadership.
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