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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:03 PM
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Bush on Democrats: 'They will raise your taxes'

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N20255897.htm

Bush on Democrats: 'They will raise your taxes'

TAMPA, Fla., Sept 21 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush charged on Thursday that Democrats would raise taxes if put in control of the U.S. Congress, turning to a familiar campaign theme as he seeks to stave off Republican losses in November.

"If they get control of the House of Representatives, they'll raise your taxes. It'll hurt our economy. And that's why we're not going to let them get control of the House of Representatives," Bush said.

...

Bush warned Democrats will say they have to raise taxes to balance the budget. "They will raise your taxes and figure out new ways to spend your money," he said. "The best way to balance the budget is to keep pro-growth policies in place."

...

One of those attending was Katherine Harris, a Republican running for Senate, whose relationship with the Bushes cooled after the White House and Republican Senate campaign committee tried to dissuade her from running in favor of a stronger candidate. Bush acknowledged her presence in his remarks.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:05 PM
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1. Repukes: They will steal your wallet
and kill your children.

No exaggeration.
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:20 PM
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26. Um, No asshole, the War on Terror
has hurt our economy!! and you giving even more power to the IRS to terrorize citizens and send them to jail and collect back taxes much quicker is hurting everyone to pay for your war on terror while your buddies at halliburton make 100 million in profit. How much are they paying in taxes?


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Cozumel Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:15 PM
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55. Slightly off topic...
This talk of policies reminds me of a game I recently found called Democracy. I know it's available for MacOS, not sure about Win. nonetheless, i digress. To keep the US afloat in the game, and to keep getting re-elected, I ended up with both conservatives AND liberals hating me. I found it kind of funny. off topic, but it reminded me of it. Guess ya can't please everybody.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #55
72. Welcome to DU, Cozumel. Or not.
:)
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:40 PM
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97. LOL!!
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 06:43 AM
Response to Reply #1
79. We Will Raise Bush's Taxes
and those of his wealthiest supporters. Everyone else is unemployed, anyway.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:05 PM
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2. Fuck you, George Bush!
You little pathetic excuse for a human being. I'd had enough.
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nancyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:05 PM
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3. Ooooh...I'm scared.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:08 PM
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11. Bummer. I'm not. Afraid, that is.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:58 PM
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63. You Should Be (nt)
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #3
82. Of your taxes being raised?
:shrug:
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:10 PM
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17. I've had enough too..
I've always hated him, but something else has clicked this week. I'm done with him.. Completely disgusted and embarrassed.

The Dems should simply say, "Yes, we're going to raise George Bush's and Paris Hilton's taxes. If you have a problem with that, don't vote for us."
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #17
21. Most EXCELLENT response!
I'm gonna steal it, ok?

Thanks.:hi:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:18 PM
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24. Also, you could respond with this: bUSH is going to raise YOUR taxes
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:18 PM by calimary
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:25 PM
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100. Bush has ALREADY raised EVERYONE's taxes....
in effect, with the incredible deficit he's run up while in office. How else does he plan for that mound of debt to be paid off......... or is his intent to just dump the problem on someone else?

Ha!

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leQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:37 PM
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37. i would have added that it was THEIR deficit we're having to deal with -nt
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:46 PM
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40. Clinton raised taxes on the rich when he first took office
And the economy BOOMED. We must keep reminding people of this.

:kick:
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FILAM23 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:10 PM
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86. Lets be fair and honest
Clinton raised taxes on everyone, not just the rich..By the way
I am in favor of eliminating Bush's tax cuts
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 09:15 PM
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96. Let's not eliminate all of them though
The 10 % income tax bracket was a great idea.

So was raising the contribution limits for IRA's.

So was increasing the per child deduction.

Can we get rid of some of his tax cuts and keep others.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:30 AM
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74. Lie by shooting
Lie by Shooting - that's what my partner calls it when bush shoots off his mouth with more lies...

Fine - they can have my $2.00 /week taxcut back. that's what I got out of the "big" bush tax cut - $2.00 (two freaking dollars)

which was quickly offset by my local/state taxes going up because the feds aren't sending as much money back to the state/local towns because of the feds have less money due to the freaking bush tax cut...

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Bullwinkle925 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #2
65. I can't wait until he's gone - and I don't care how he's gone!!!
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:05 PM
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4. Holy Shit! The taxes are coming! The taxes are coming!...
run for your lives!!!

Terror, fear, terror, fear, terror, fear!

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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:06 PM
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5. oh yeah?
well the repugs will have you & your children & grandchildren in debt until they die! no lie there.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:09 PM
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14. No need to worry about debt when you are committed to a DETENTION CENTER!
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:06 PM
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6. 50-some days out, THIS is all they have????
They are fucking scared if that's what he's throwing out ...
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:07 PM
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7. Dems should turn this around and ask republicans how they
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:07 PM by no_hypocrisy
intend to find revenue to pay for the $8 trillion deficit? The deficit that their party leader more than doubled.
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Whoa_Nelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:09 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. Write to the DNC/Dean and your Dem reps
When are our representatives going to lsiten to us and ask the hard line questions and present the Repug lies for what they are? :cry:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:07 PM
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8. Once again using the simplest of debate strategies:
Just reduce the credibility of your opponent and boil everything down to a worship of money. :eyes:

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georgialiberal1 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:07 PM
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9. National Debt
What are "pro-growth policies"?  Is that where you
like I dunno, give huge tax breaks to the richest and run up a
record national debt?
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roamer65 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:08 PM
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10. Since Raisinbrain would have to sign any law
containing a tax increase, it would be him raising "our" taxes. He is such a moron. It doesn't even dawn on him that he would have the veto power.
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Ignacio Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:08 PM
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12. This is news?
The GOP always bitches about taxes.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:09 PM
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13. George Bush, YOU raised taxes by increasing spending
You are the person who spent it all, YOU put it back.

I'm for a tax on all republicans to claw back the costs of their wars and
their stupid bankrupt finances, and when the republicans leave the books
as even as the democrats did in 2000, we can wonder who is the thieven' liar.
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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:00 PM
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58. Republicans hate being called unpatriotic..
they always flip out, and threaten to start a fight!

Is a Republican sane? just ask them this question..Do you support the war in Iraq? if they say yes ask..are you willing to pay for it? if they say yes ask them..then why are you opposed to higher taxes, too unpatriotic?

usually they flip out at that point. But sometimes they claim that taxcuts increase revenue..then ask why even have taxes, why not just stop paying taxes to support our troops in Iraq?

if that Republican doesn't pull his gun out and start shooting by then..then he probably isn't even debating you. Remember, some conservatives can still be converted. ;)
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:34 PM
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101. Good point...... Good strategy, too
Get 'em thinking rationally.........

Trouble is... they have confused faith and critical/ analytical thinking. The Washington Post recently put the breakout on those who believe the war in Iraq is justified as: 55% for weekly church-goers; 31% for those who never attend. Similarly, the Wash.Post reported that 32% of weekly church-goers trust Bush 'a lot' while only 8% of those who never attend church would say the same. (WP 9/17/2006- B3).

In a world where thinking purely by faith is very perilous indeed, we need to bring more folks, whatever their political/religious backgrounds to understanding the difference between these two types of thinking and the appropriate times for each.....

Hmmm- may take a little time........
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:10 PM
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16. "and if they raise taxes, the terrorists will know we lack resolve!"
...Or something!

The gibberish that comes out of these guys is appalling.
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:35 PM
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103. yeah........ WHAT??
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:10 PM
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18. Need a billboard: Lost $155 Billion Surplus
... please contact GW Bush and the Republican lead Congress if found.

Okay, I probably have the numbers wrong, but you get the drift.
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Cassandra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:36 PM
Response to Reply #18
36. You don't want to contact them.
They'll just spend it twice.
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JustFiveMoreMinutes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #36
45. .. that could be in the small print
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jaysunb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:10 PM
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19. I love the smell of desperation. anytime.
:evilgrin:
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:11 PM
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20. Gee there is no free lunch.
The Stupid Party once again plays the voters for fools. 25 years and counting and it never seems to fail.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:12 PM
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22. The devil speaks and he says..
"Democrats will raise you taxes"! "They will also tell you the truth and they want to impeach my lyin' ass".
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:12 PM
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23. Seeing how the economy already sucks there isn't much to hurt.
Oh, I forgot it is so great for the WSJ crowd. But they don't pay taxes anymore do they? They aren't audited either since the enforcement for that segment has practically been eliminated, as well. But for those of us not comprising Bush's "base" we'll never notice, so what do we care?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:19 PM
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25. He sounds so democratic with this sentence:
"...And that's why we're not going to let them get control of the House of Representatives," Bush said. Um...he won't let them?
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gemdem Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #25
93. He, the GOP, and Diebold. n/t
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:21 PM
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27. And Repukes will raise the national debt/debt service to unsustainable
levels, wrecking the economy, job market, stock market, capital markets and value of the dollar in the process solely so large corporations and the most affluent are not burdened.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:24 PM
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28. Democrats: They will not borrow your children's future from China
to finance a trumped up war.

Democrats: They will make education, the environment, Social Security, health care for all, and the country's infrastructure THE top priorities.

Democrats: Still believe in the idea that all people are created equal.

Democrats: Not whores for the very rich.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:25 PM
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29. "I want to welcome Congresswoman Harris and her boobs"
I wish he had said that, anyway.


"One of those attending was Katherine Harris, a Republican running for Senate, whose relationship with the Bushes cooled after the White House and Republican Senate campaign committee tried to dissuade her from running in favor of a stronger candidate. Bush acknowledged her presence in his remarks."
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Liberalynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:26 PM
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30. Rethuglican's
they haven't got anything else except the same old crap, different day.
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:28 PM
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31. While Republicans will only bankrupt your country?
:shrug:
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:29 PM
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32. Why do I think this is going to go nowhere?
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 02:30 PM by Writer
American voters to Bush: We can't trust a fucking thing that comes out of your mouth.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:31 PM
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33. Difference between Dems and Repubs on this subject...
The Democrats will spend money and tax those currently alive to pay for it.

The Republicans will spend money and tax those who have not yet been born to pay for it, and the accrued interest.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:37 PM
Response to Reply #33
38. You are so pathetically, miserably, embarrassingly correct
And you have the provided one of the best, most concise summaries of the situation that I have ever read.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:36 AM
Response to Reply #38
76. Why thank you, but I forgot one more depressing thing...
The acrued interest goes to the people who we didn't tax, i.e., the rich 1%. So the rich make money twice, first by not paying more taxes, then by loaning us the money we would have otherwise collected in taxes so they can earn interest on it.

My first post might make a passable bumper sticker, but the second part really won't fit. :-)
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judaspriestess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:32 PM
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34. bush on acknowledging katherine harris
I'd like to acknowledge the quintessential stupid republican whore, katherine Harris, glad you could join us today.:crazy:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:35 PM
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35. OMG. The LIES!!!
"The best way to balance the budget is to keep pro-growth policies in place."




WHERE IS THE FUCKING BALANCED BUDGET AFTER SIX YEARS OF PRO-GROWTH POLICIES?!?!?!?!?!?!

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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:42 PM
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39. raise taxes.LOL..........everything has raised under the GOP
starting with gas...then it trickles down to all vehicles that pick up garbage.deliver the newpaper...run the water and electric plants..cable....telephone....can go on and on.......

all food has risen due to high gas prices..
auto home and health insurance........due to helping line the pockets of their big donors

he need look no further than himself and "his" congress..........look how far the US has declined in the yrs .....he has "run" the government!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:54 PM
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41. Democrats to Bush "We will impeach your ass and raise your family's taxes"
Oh yes, a tax on Bushes in perpetuity until all is repaid.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:55 PM
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42. In reality, they might "restore" sensibility to the tax code
and when we define "your"...it might just be that the $6 a week the vast majority of people got as a LOAN against next year's scheduled REFUND of their OWN money, was not such a great deal after all, when you coinsider that the top ONE PERCENT got most of the "tax cut"

and where did that money even come from??


from social security surplus...the top ONE percenters stop paying in at 87K, and will never "need" the social security they will draw anyway, but the drawing off of funds will endanger the program for future seniors who may have to choose between rent & food because the rich folks drained the fund back during the Bush years.
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 02:56 PM
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43. Look how much the morons were willing to pay
"...President Bush spoke to about 400 people in a VIP club area of Raymond James Stadium, home of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The reception was expected to raise up to $450,000 for state Rep. Gus Bilirakis, who is seeking the congressional seat held by his father, Mike, who is retiring.

President Bush was to speak in Orlando later in the day at a fundraiser for Charlie Crist, the Republican nominee for Florida governor. That event cost attendees up to $25,000..."

They want the rich to keep all those tax cuts so they can afford to see Chimpie in person.
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arewenotdemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:07 PM
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44. Nobody panders to the Whore Vote better
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 03:09 PM by arewenotdemo
Gotta hand it to the Repukes. Just that one sentence guarantees them at least 35% of this godforsaken society of whores. Add in the Save Us From the Queers and Countdown to the Rapture crowds and, well, you know what's coming.

And I apologize to prostitutes everywhere. I just don't know what else to call my fellow Americans.

Where is the updated version of the gasoline price/Bush popularity graph?
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:36 PM
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48. That's the saddest part of this bullshit
There are people trained to react to these words on cue just like lab rats and Pavlov's dogs, people who for the life of them can't see how they're being played.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:17 PM
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46. "The Tax and spend Democrats" As opposed to...
The Red Ink Republicans. Fuck you George!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:40 AM
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77. "Red Ink Republicans." Excellent! Very good!
:toast: :yourock:
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:45 PM
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104. Yes! Red Ink Republicans! Most Excellent Observation !!
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 10:46 PM by LetsThink
Let them proudly wear their trademark red ........ we'll label it what it is: RED INK ! Mega great handle......!
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soup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:27 PM
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47. Other news around FL today
Residents Air Anger Over Rising Property Tax Bills
By KAREN BRANCH-BRIOSO The Tampa Tribune

Published: Sep 21, 2006


ORLANDO - Whether they shook thick stacks of petitions or wielded a slick Power-Point presentation, the public's message to the governor's Property Tax Reform Committee was clear Wednesday:

Offer up a limit on local government spending.

Linda Hayward of Brooksville shook the thick stack of 11,619 Hernando County petitions asking their commissioners for a significant drop in their property tax rate.

"They chose not to do that," Hayward said. "They're killing the business owners, the non-homesteaded property owners and the people who buy new homes. I would like to encourage you to encourage the county commissioners to reduce the rate. Because we're all suffering."
http://www.tbo.com/news/metro/MGBB5J1ICSE.html


Daily News: Collier County set to approve first billion-dollar budget, 20% tax increase today
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/sep/21/budget_debates_expected_today_over_property_tax_ra/?local_news

Herald-Tribune: Bradenton council to finalize 2007 budget, 17% tax hike today
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060921/NEWS/609210797

Sun-Sentinel: Anger grows over tax bill disparity; Palm Beach County Commission to approve 16% tax increase today
Taxpayers fuming as Palm Beach County hikes budget spending by 16%

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/palmbeach/sfl-pbudget21sep21,0,4797130.story?coll=sfla-news-palm

Daily News: City (Naples) property tax jumps 60 percent for non-homesteaders
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2006/sep/21/city_property_tax_jumps_60_percent_nonhomesteaders/?local_news

Property Tax Woes
http://cfn13.com/StoryHeadline.aspx?id=18786

First rumblings of a property-tax revolt
VIEWPOINT By Robert F. Sanchez Policy Director at The James Madison Institute

Florida's politicians are perilously close to inciting a tax revolt. Anger and disbelief are spreading as homeowners and businesses receive property-tax notices hard on the heels of higher insurance bills.
http://www.gulfbreezenews.com/news/2006/0921/Opinion/025.html
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OregonDem Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:55 PM
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49. Republicans believe that taxes are only for the "little people"
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 03:58 PM by OregonDem
They only cut taxes for the rich, and then have government work for the politically well connected wealthy.

Deficit spending is not tax cutting it is tax deferment.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 03:58 PM
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50. What a retard.
We would put the missused money thats allocated to fighting an ideology into to oh, i dont know, healthcare, education, renewable resources. But no we're spending all that money on what? Killing civilians, and separating an already divided part of the world. I HATE GEORGE BUSH.
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:01 PM
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51. YES this is true
If you are in the top 5% of earners
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warrens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:03 PM
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52. No, Dictatortot
We're going to raise YOUR taxes, and those of all your scumbag friends.
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:04 PM
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53. No, Mr. Presdient. Dems are going to raise YOUR taxes by taking
away your gravy boat windfall for you and your 1%.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:06 PM
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54. tax cuts are fair tax cuts are fair
then so are tax increases fair. we pay a little more, the rich pay a lot more. bush tax cuts go mostly to the wealthy right? so democratic tax increases will do the same.

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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:32 PM
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56. By maybe 1-2%.
Since if we get control of the House, then we can investigate all the profiteering going on in the military-industrial complex.

Which people pay a big chunk of their taxes to support.

And by clearing out the profiteering, we can

A: Do the troops a service.

B: Take the money otherwise spent on corrupt contractors and put it into a rudimentary universal health care system or vastly improve education.

We might not even have to raise taxes, given how deep the rot has spread.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 04:55 PM
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57. $9,000,000,000,000.00
Or, more accurately, -$9,000,000,000,000.00.

A total fucking boob.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:14 PM
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59. Dems have it too easy with this one, what with this being election year...
I needn't cite any examples. If they can't see the obvious, they're either obtuse or have an inside scoop. And if they do have an inside scoop, I wanna say here and now that I will be doing what it takes to join their noble ranks.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:19 PM
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60. They'll roll back the tax cuts for the very rich...
....and balance the damned budget. That is NOT cutting taxes. It's putting them BACK where they were and only for the richest who can afford them.

Repigs DO THIS EVERY TIME. They run up RECORD deficits, then whine "Welllll, the Democrats will raise your taxeeess". Damn RIGHT they will (for the rich) - because DEMOCRATS are ALWAYS stuck with the RECORD deficits Repigs ran up.


HAPPENS EVERY TIME.

30 YEARS I've been watching these slimebags and they do the same thing EVERY TIME they're in office.
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FILAM23 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:14 PM
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87. Lets get real
the Dems will raise taxes on everyone, not just the richest.
I am far from rich (make $61,000 per year) and my taxes will
go up when they eliminate the tax cuts.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:23 PM
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91. You're far from rich?
At 61,000 per year you're easily in about the top 1% of people in the entire world of over six billion people.

I get your point, but I'm just sayin...
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:16 PM
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99. Cost of Living....... Just saying what you earn is not what stays
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 10:20 PM by LetsThink
in your pocket. So, $61k may not go as far toward meeting basic living in some places as say $25k in another (usually, less industrialized) economy.

Also-- let us keep in mind that raising revenue can be done in an almost infinite variety of ways-- Don't have to just raise the income tax; don't have to effectively raise the income tax for middle class folk-- As in, loopholes can be made to work FOR the middle class for once rather than serving the rich, as is normally the case.

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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:48 PM
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105. Funny. I know folks who make right near that and...
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 10:49 PM by Triana
...theirs never went down with bu$hit's tax cuts. People who make over $100K/year - different story.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 10:22 AM
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114. My taxes have gone up under Bush.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:48 PM
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61. I'm getting a very sick of big media never showing the Democratic
opinion, anywhere.
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:52 PM
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62. The next person in office will have to.
Regardless of their political affiliation, we're neck deep in shit and we have to buy our way out of it.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 06:01 PM
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64. Wrong... We Will Demand You Pay your Fair Share
You pandering fascist prick.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:30 PM
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66. "They will raise your taxes." Short, simple, easy to understand.
THIS is what the Dems need to talk like. No long explanations defending ourselves against the bullshit thrown at us. Just hurl one-liners accusing the repubs of stuff right back at them.

For example: The Republicans are bankrupting your children. Something better than that but along those lines. Or how about, "The Republicans lie." That could be our theme. Just like the Repub theme is the the weak-on-security Dems. Whatever it is, we need a theme that we can repeat and emphasize, something we can tie into all kinds of various issues so that we can keep bringing it up.

We can't let the Republicans control the dialog again this year, with them offensively throwing out the attacks with nice neat one-liners and the Democrats using 3 paragraphs to defend themselves.

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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 07:39 PM
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67. Me to people: Republicans are putting your kids in hopeless hock
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:00 PM
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68. So who will pay for his miserable war?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:25 PM
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69. Sadly, Republicans just reflexively believe this, even though the evidence
always shows it is false. Defense welfare and corporate welfare always go way up when they are in office.
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GAspnes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:46 PM
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70. "Unwinding Bush"
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 09:58 PM by GAspnes
on edit: correct spelling of "Rauch"

From the October Atlantic Monthly, by Jonathan Rauch

(subscription required, so I'm only going to excerpt a little, there's more and it's all good)

"How long will unwinding Bush take? Because of demographic headwinds, balancing the budget looks like a long-term project, requiring a decade if things go well, two or three decades (or forever) if not."
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 09:55 PM
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71. But Bush will steal your social security
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pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:14 AM
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73. Asshole is counting on the stupid Merkans not knowing what....
a deficit is and how much it has been jacked up since they seized power.

The majority of Merkans are stupid, so this usualy tactic will work to a certain extent.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 02:54 AM
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75. Dems on bush: "He will raise your fear."
nothing more needs be said. the rethugs and the terrah-ists use the same tactics. fear. why do the terrorists and the rethuglicans have to use the same methods to control Americans?
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Charlie Brown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:43 AM
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78. with our current deficits, I think either party will have to raise taxes
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 03:45 AM by Charlie Brown
We can't go on pumping billions and billions and billions into the war on terror while decreasing the government's only viable source of revenue, or our economy will simply implode. We have the "fiscally responsible" GOP to thank for that conundrum.

Even conservatives like Greenspan and Bernancke have repeatedly stated this fact.
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Patchuli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:30 AM
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80. What a lying SOS!
We'll raise taxes on the uber wealthy and the corporations is what they are afeared of and that's exactly what needs to be done!!

I can't stand liars...I wonder if that putz has ever told the truth on purpose before?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:36 AM
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81. ooga booga!
are you scared now?? :eyes:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:16 PM
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83. Unless the little prick was speaking too his base,
"the haves and have mores" those listening to him didn't benefit from his round of tax cuts. And if the little prick hadn't given the greedy 1% which he and his cabinet are part of, all those tax cuts, then the Democrats wouldn't have to raise taxes. See how that works? Some people will fall for anything.
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Pathwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:19 PM
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84. Is he too stupid to understand how our government works?
Never mind, I KNOW the answer.

So, George, will you be signing those bills into law? Didn't think so.
Or, are you predicting a veto proof takeover of the House and Senate by the Democrats, George? Uh-huh.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 12:28 PM
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85. Not MY taxes. and not YOUR taxes
just the taxes on those 400 families on the Forbes 400 list - who all have passed the Billionaire mark this year (thanks in part to tax cuts I'm sure).

Now if we can just get middle america to realize they're not on that list - and NEVER will be, this would be a non issue.
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FILAM23 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:17 PM
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88. But they are on the list.
If we eliminate the Bush tax cuts and take rates back to where they
were anyone making $12,000 (after all deductions) will see their taxes increase.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:19 PM
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89. Because the Republicans stole all our money
and we are in massive Debt but I want the Democrats to get all the money that was stolen from us

So Mr.Bush watch that bank account you have...
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:21 PM
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90. Nice - what will the Dem. response be? Probably nothing.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:25 PM
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92. "...And that's why we're not going to let them
get control of the House of Representatives," Bush said.

I swear to Zod, if you asshole cheat again IT IS ON. Here that agent Mike? ON.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 03:32 PM
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94. Bush has raised our taxes
Our state and local taxes have increased. Property taxes have increased. The cost of living in W's America has increased. Funding for education and other programs has decreased. American wages have stayed stagnant and have not kept up with inflation. We drop $300 million every day into Iraq that's around $12.5 million every hour or $208,000 every minute.

There was no middle class tax cut. Bush gave the tax cut to his wealthy millionaire cronies and screwed the rest of us.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 04:14 PM
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95. Here's what the democratic response SHOULD be:
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 04:15 PM by Exiled in America
Actually, what Democrats WILL do is stop the Republican culture of irresponsible and squanderous spending and the largest expansion of the federal government bureaucracy in history.

What Democrats WONT do is exploit national tragedy and deceive the American people into an ill-conceived war without international support, and then so categorically fail to plan for the aftermath that the country pours hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars into the disaster with no end in sight.

What Democrats WILL do is work to ensure that the federal budget is balanced, rather than escalate the deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars each year and leaving that unbearable burden to our children so that they and their corporate masters can make their billions now.

What Democrats WONT do is be bullied around by the talking points of the radical right who try to get ordinary americans to believe that it is wrong to expect the wealthiest businesses in the history of humanity to shoulder a appropriate amount of the cost for maintaining the society from which they have benefited. When 61% of US-based corporations paid ZERO percent in federal taxes in 2004, something is desperately, desperately wrong. That's not about incentives for economic growth - that's the behavior of robber barons.

What Democrats WILL do is everything in their power to make sure that the hardest working americans, AND those americans in the most dire of need are treated with humanity and compassion. Democrats believe in the American values of hard work and self-reliance. But Democrats also understand that the very fabric of a society is a "coming together" of people - and that there is a difference between hard work and OPPRESSION created by an exploitative system designed to line the pocket books of the ultra rich by raping hard working men, women and families breaking their backs in pursuit of the American dream.

What Democrats WONT do is become so preoccupied with an illegitimate war based on deliberate lies to the public and disinformation that they categorically IGNORE real threats to US Security, IGNORE the real problems in our economy, IGNORE real problems in our heath care system, IGNORE, the real threat to our environment, and IGNORE the basic liberties and civil rights guaranteed to every American Citizen by the United States Constitution any time they see fit. That's Republicans, and that's this Administration.

What Democrats WONT do is squander the good will of the entire planet who stood with us in completely solidarity after the tragedy of 9/11 by choosing to pursue a policy of domination and exploitation worldwide rather than working together in partnership with the international community to create a better, safer and more just world.

What Democrats WILL do is be about the business of the PEOPLE of these United States of America.

What Democrats WONT do is behave as this administration has and this Republican controlled congress has, in spitting in the US constitution, pursuing its own agenda of profit and power at the expense of our national security, in lieing to the american people about matters of national security, and in putting our nation in to unbearable debt and weakening our economy.

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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:05 PM
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98. I'm Not Against Taxes -I'm Against Wasteful Spending on
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 10:12 PM by LetsThink
Programs that don't serve taxpayer interests or do anything to relieve suffering, do anything toward solving major problems.

I am against spending on military and other international programs that only worsen the international situation, weaken America's position in international trade and set 'survival of the meanest' as a new behavior standard in international relations--- resulting in young Americans killed, maimed and traumatised for life;

I am against spending taxpayer money on contracts that don't do anything except pass the job on to the next subcontractor;

I am against spending taxpayer money for salaries of 24 year-olds sent to do a job without any background or training in the specifics of getting that job done;

I'm against spending money on a wall that won't do anything but provide the Rs with a PR fix for symptoms of a larger set of underlying structural problems which will then go entirely un-addressed by the group in power;

I am for higher taxes if that means children and any others who can not afford health care-- including those who served in the military (or as contractors) and were injured or severely traumatised (head injuries, PTSD, prosthetics, etc.) -- will all have at least their basic needs met;

I am for higher taxes if that means more health care providers and researchers will be able to practice what they are trained to do rather than spend valuable time fighting for fair and timely payment from insurance companies for their services - or be forced to answer to a bureaucrat's personal moral beliefs;

I'm for higher taxes if that means we eventually have a balanced budget (again);

I'm for higher taxes if this means we will see a new era of exploring alternative methods of dispute resolution for international, domestic national and local conflicts and a new standard of ethical conduct for government and private sector parties in positions of public trust;

I am for higher taxes if I can expect some successful changes to our energy and environmental crises-- and I think the ones who have made all the obscene profits on the backs of our middle class drivers (& energy trading co. retirees) should pay a large portion of the costs to fix these problems;

I am for higher taxes if it means retirement and old age will no longer loom in my future like the dark clouds of a major soaker and bluster storm, when my roof has started to leak from wear;

I'm for higher costs/taxes if this means a minimum livable wage for those who work at underpaid jobs;

I'm for higher taxes if it means the Justice Dept. will assign some legal talent to again enforce anti-trade practice laws, corporate fraud, government corruption, price-fixing and (what's left of ) environmental laws;

I know:
Just dream'n........
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:35 PM
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102. Democrats on Democrats: "We will raise your wages"
c'mon, Dem Leaders, get off your butts and start screaming!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:48 PM
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106. Well, now that's original. n/t
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:51 PM
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107. He does an excellent impression of Chicken Little ....... for a monkey.







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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:52 PM
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108. But Repukes are taxing our children with debt.
As Lou Dobbs, who's no flaming liberal, recently said the Federal debt under Bush amounts to an estate tax on the future generations.
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LetsThink Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 10:57 PM
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109. Dems on Dems: "Greater Competence Will Keep America Safe"...
Edited on Fri Sep-22-06 10:59 PM by LetsThink
Red Ink Rs have messed up the war..... have messed up the international balance of power by neglecting and even hamstringing diplomacy....have messed up immigration policy; they have built government bureaucracies that can not effectively respond in domestic crises; they have undercut the quality of education and health care, neglected health research (not moral- better to allow people to die than compromise arbitrary, personal 'moral' positions)....we have fewer freedoms (dare I say that out loud???)... The middle class is walking a thin line between month-to-month paychecks - but those friends of the Red Ink Rs, the rich are better off.....LOL !!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:01 PM
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110. Rocknation on Republicans: 'They will raise our death toll'

rocknation
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:18 PM
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111. Republicans raise your fuel prices.
And you can't offshore your gas tank.
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peteatomic Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-22-06 11:53 PM
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112. Bush is the Devil.....huh, sorry...I guess only Nancy Pelosi, and the rest
of the democratic party apparatus can say that. My bad.
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pinerow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 10:02 AM
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113. They're going to get your wives and daughters
and sell them as sex slaves to the ay-rabs...:sarcasm:
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davekriss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 10:49 AM
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115. No, Georgieboi, we will...
...raise your taxes, and your dad's taxes, and Dick Cheney's taxes, and Donald Rumsfeld's taxes, and the taxes of everyone who inordinately benefit from current socio-political arrangements as realized in top 1% incomes and overly favored capital gains. My taxes will not be raised, nor the taxes of any of my friends. Sorry, Bushboi, that you'll have to pay for the debt you wracked up through illegal wars, deals for favored industries, and for being a traitor to all that is good and true about the United States.
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-23-06 11:12 AM
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116. No, they'll raise YOUR taxes, Bush
and those of your base.
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