Feds cast doubt (on Claims WTC Workers Illness)

[RamboLiberal]

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/454223p-382146c.html

Proving that 9/11 responders are being killed by poisons inhaled at Ground Zero will be extremely tough - if not impossible - under a draft of guidelines being written by the federal government.

The problem, the draft says, is there are not enough scientific studies - or autopsies of dead people - to make strong links.

"Data does not yet exist to quantify relationships between WTC exposures and diseases causing death," says the 23-page draft released yesterday.

The Daily News has exhaustively chronicled the plight of the ailing heroes of 9/11, and a recent study by the Mount Sinai Medical Center found that up to 70% of Ground Zero responders suffered health problems.

A spokesman for the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health emphasized the document was released to get feedback, and could change.

[LisaM]

1. They take responsibility for NOTHING

Nothing, nothing is their fault.

[meegbear]

2. Like global warming, evolution and other things they like to ignore ...

"the science is out on it".

[ThomCat]

3. Nobody will accept financial liability,

so everyone is going to deny responsibility. The end result is the same, people get screwed. People will suffer, lose their jobs, lose their lifestyles, and then lose their lives.
x(

And why is it, that while everyone talks about what the first responders breathed in, nobody is talking about what the survivors who were there breathed in? They got kicked into Worker's Comp with little or no assistance and they breathed in the same gunk.

[acmavm]

4. Anyone surprised? They're responsible for so many deaths

in so many ways. And they don't want to take responsibility for any of them?

How are they responsible for the WTC dead and dying? By not paying attention to the warnings about a possible terraist attact and for telling people it was safe at the site when it wasn't.

(That last paragraph was for anyone who didn't understand why I think the bush** admin is personally responsible for these deaths and the illnesses.)

[melody]

5. Bush is a sociopath

He thinks "responsibility" is a legal technicality.

[DRoseDARs]

6. Given that Gulf War Syndrome is still denied, I doubt Ground Zero Syndrome

...will be given any appropriate attention either for a very long time. We already know (from memo's secured by the media in New York City) that Rudy's office and FEMA put thousands at risk by giving an all-clear for people to return, in full knowledge the air wasn't healthy. They will cover their asses for years to come just like the military has over Gulf War Syndrome.

[hashibabba]

9. This is un-freaking-believable. More crimes against

Americans who were giving their all to help in the country's time of need. He really is the devil.

[lyonn]

15. Has the "Bastard" even mentioned this issue? No

Most know that asbestos is deadly. If the buildings had asbestos inside then it was in the air. How much? We probably will never know. Same goes for any other toxins in the building.

Edit: Extra poor wording

[Monkeyman]

12. Yep hey there a story on

http://www.vawatchdog.org

A family is angry at the study that claim no Gulf War Illness. The Grandmother lost two to that war plus the childern are sick too

[datadiva]

7. Well, if they are not devils

they sure act like they are. :wtf:

[MadMaddie]

8. This is beyond tragic....

Those workers were patriotic in their duty and this is the payment they get....deny their illnesses...deny any studies that are available...

There are studies showing that perfectly healthy men and women before 9/11 have serious lung disiese, black lung etc....

This is criminal....I am so sick of this shit from this administration...

[RamboLiberal]

11. Wonder if any of the firemen regret booing Hillary and cheering

for Chimpy? Bush Admin and Repukes will just slough them off, while Hillary and Dems will fight for them.

[Straight Shooter]

19. But they aren't the right kind of patriots.

They got sick. Makes the bush administration look bad for lying about the air.

:sarcasm:

This is how it is now. Use people, throw them away, or tell them to go away and don't bother us, we've got some wars to get on.

The last straw on the camel's back is getting really heavy about now.

[bushisanidiot]

10. Olberman was dead on accurate on 9/11/06. AWOL Bush doesn't care

enough to do something. It's easier for him, as president of the united states of america.. to sit and point a finger as if he has no authority whatsoever to make things happen. What a total fuck-up.

[lyonn]

16. You can't make those picture up! n/t

[angstlessk]

13. "This is the first draft..." If the outrage is not outrageous it will be

the final draft. :grr:

[gulfcoastliberal]

14. Lets recommend this one... K&R

nt

[peacetalksforall]

17. The Feds can't implicate the people responsible for 9-11.

The Feds who 'doubt' the effects must protect the WH, military, and agencies.

It's all going to come out ... one of these months or years.

[lovuian]

18. The Truth will come out and when thousands die

no covering up can stop that reality

[Tempest]

20. That sound you just heard...

Was the collective cringing of every incumbent Repug in the New York and New Jersey states after hearing about this.

This is not going to play well in Peoria.

[AnneD]

21. As a potential first responder...

don't expect me to break my neck getting to the emergency. Just try to order me to the site. Yeah...order this (an obscene grabbing gesture).

[w4rma]

22. Evil. (nt)

[One_Life_To_Give]

23. Thats our governments legal department

protecting the government coffers.

Not that what they do is always a bad thing. But there are times when congress needs make the money be paid out. And those that worked on whats called the pile at ground zero should be taken care of.

[Stargazer99]

24. Every time one of you support this Bush administration

you are responsible for creating this mess. If you support Bush nine chances out of ten you have no children on the front line in Iraq
are well fed and housed
are not fearing retirement
and I'm sure there are a host of things others could list. Take a look at what the results are of this administration's policys are and honestly tell anyone you feel proud of what is going on in any sphere.
This administration is a Godless liar. What did the Good Book say about the Devil "a liar and the father of it". Conservatives need to wake up.

[One_Life_To_Give]

28. Excuse me

Pointing out that we have people is our government who are resposnible to ensure that as olittle liability as possible is placed upon the US treasury is supporting shrub? All I pointed out was that somebody has to order the government lawyers to let this stuff get paid. Or what is more likely Congress has to specifically provide for these people to be taken care of.

[madrchsod]

25. i`ve worked in steel forge shops and steel mills

and i have inhaled some really nasty shit-but i always had a mask on or really big fans to blow the heat and fumes away... but one day we decided to throw some electric wire in a tub of hot steel dam near knocked us out..i can`t imagine what god awful stuff those guys inhaled while working in that burning pile pile that was once a very large building

[fooj]

26. They ignored and lied about the EPA report...

that's enough for me. These people aren't human. :grr:

[samsingh]

27. more repug lack of taking responsibility

[Lisa]

29. let me get this straight -- they're waiting to see the autopsies?

The dead bodies of the same workers Bush used as an audience backdrop when he went to the WTC several days after the attacks? The first responders whose health benefits he later cut?


There should be public outrage! Cynically waiting until people have died, so they won't have to pay out money in any case ... this is shameful, and should be rejected REGARDLESS of political party.