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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:17 AM
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Thai Army Chief Gets King's (Thailand) Endorsement



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Sep 20, 11:01 AM (ET)

By DENIS D. GRAY

BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - The army commander who seized Thailand's government in a quick, bloodless coup pledged Wednesday to hold elections by October 2007, and received a ringing endorsement from the country's revered king.

Gen. Sondhi Boonyaratkalin also hinted that ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra may face prosecution.

Sondhi said he would act as prime minister for two weeks until a new leader is chosen by the Council of Administrative Reform, that an interim constitution would be drafted within that time, and that Thailand's foreign policy and international agreements would remain unchanged.


Thailand's Army Commander-in-Chief Gen. Sondhi Boonyaratkalin smiles at reporters during a press conference in Bangkok Wednesday, Sept. 20, 2006. The army general who ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra indicated Wednesday that the fallen leader could be prosecuted for wrongdoing and said a post-coup interim government would retain power for no more than one year. Transitional government to be formed in Thailand after two weeks, following coup, says Gen. Sondhi. (AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit)


Australia called the coup a "great disappointment," while Japan urged the quick restoration of democracy. The European Union condemned the military takeover, while Washington expressed concern about it. The United States, Britain and other nations also warned their citizens in Thailand to exercise caution.

FULL story at link above.

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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 10:35 AM
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1. So a general makes a coup and the king magically approves
but equally magically, none make any suggestion he had any idea this might happen before the fact.

Not that the PM was doing a good job here but, he was going to be removed only in a couple of more months anyway, via an actual eletion...
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:20 PM
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3. Not our problem
It's up to the people of Thailand to resolve this, and from most reports they revere their King.

Looking at the former PM's track record, I have a funny feeling that one of his cronies would have won the upcoming elections!
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:20 PM
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7. The King is very well loved in Thailand.
And in the US for that matter. Go to any Thai restaurant in the world and I guarantee and least one portrait of the king will be prominently featured on the wall.

His photo and likeness are all over Thailand, particularly in Bangkok. His birthday is the biggest celebration of the year and the traffic jam into Bangkok can extend 100 miles for the celebration.

The Prime Minister was very corrupt. I wish that the military hadn't removed the PM, but they did. And the Thai people seem to support it. You are right, it's up to them. But it's not as dire as some would make it out to be. Democracy will return to Thailand. It is a great country comprised of great people.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:33 PM
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10. Well not that you hear me suggesting it is our problem.
I've had quite enough of that sort of thing with the Middle East to last a decade or two.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:05 PM
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2. Why hasn't the U.S. (or the west) condemned this coup?
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 12:06 PM by daleo
It is obviously a very anti-democratic move. How can the west convince the Muslim world that it really is only interested in democracy if it approves of a military takeover of an elected government in Thailand?

"Expressed concern" isn't enough.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:36 PM
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4. They have, the Bush misAdmin issued a statement
endorsing the "return of democracy" to Thailand.

Of course Bush wants his clone back in power who sent some troops to the Iraq adventure.

Fuck Thaksin. He has gotten exactly what he deserves, and Thailand is far better off to be rid of him. Hopefully all his massive assets get seized now.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:39 PM
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5. Was the last election supposed to have been rigged?
If not, why couldn't they just wait for an election to change governments?

If so, how do we know the next one won't be rigged?

You can't just toss elected governments out via the army every time someone accuses them of corruption. It looks bad.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:54 PM
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6. The last election was basically rigged, it was so unfair...
that the opposition parties boycotted it. And three members of the electoral commission have been arrested and imprisoned for fraud, all Thaksin cronies.

You can't have a health democracy or free elections with Thaksin in power.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:05 PM
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15. the election was overturned not because it was rigged, but
because it was found unconstitutional by the Thai Constitutional Court (by an 8-6 vote). The two previous elections that Thaksin won, and especially the 2nd one, were considered by many pundits to be the most open, corruption free elections ever held in Thailand. The 2nd election also marked the 1st time any political party in Thailand had won an outright majority in the Parliament.

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Why the intense dislike of Thaksin? You've made several (pretty vitriolic) posts on this subject the last few days, and I'd be interested in knowing what you're basing your opinions on. Thaksin was no angel, for sure, but his policies helped the rural poor in Thailand, especially in the north. There's a lot more going on here than just Thaksin being a bad guy.


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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:50 PM
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17. I've got a friend in Thailand, a sex tourist actually
He hates Thaksin with a passion, and apparentely this opinion is shared by almost all European and American expats living there. Thaksin has seriously cracked down on civil liberties as well, many extrajudicial killings and "accidents" (including one case where around 30 people suffocated in army vans after being detained by him) happened due to his policies.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 05:53 PM
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19. let me preface my remarks with some info -
Edited on Thu Sep-21-06 05:57 PM by paulk
My wife and I own a small import shop. I've been to Thailand six times in the last nine years - my wife's been there two additional times without me - our shortest visit was two weeks, our longest almost five. About two thirds of our inventory comes from Thailand -we buy direct from the craftsmen when we can - point being that my experiences in Thailand aren't the usual tourist experiences - I'm not going to claim that these experiences qualify me for having a better understanding of Thailand and it's politics - in fact, what my Thai trips have led me to understand is that I don't understand Thai culture or Thai politics... but, I might have some insights into things that just aren't being covered in the MSM.

One of the first things I came to understand about Asia is that judging what goes on there by western precepts is a mistake. It seems a particular American conceit to view the rest of the world this way, and it's something that, indeed, I myself was guilty of during some of my earlier trips. So, in the interest of not letting my own western prejudices interfere, I have tried to give Thaksin the benefit of the doubt.

Thaksin is, indeed guilty of the corruption he's been charged with I'm sure, and no doubt he's also guilty of attempts to subvert the Democratic process there. OTOH, I don't find military coups very conducive to the exercise of democracy either. I would much rather have seen this whole situation resolved in a democratic manner. Also, it's not like corruption in Thailand is anything new.

The civil rights violations are also all true. Thaksin undertook to deal with a growing methamphetamine drug problem by ... well, basically killing all the drug dealers. No trials - no nothing. Pretty hard to defend that. Then again - this is Thailand - and I could tell you some stories that I've heard about the police and crime there that show Thaksin's anti - drug policy as hardly out of the ordinary - just on a bigger scale.

As for the expats all hating Thaksin - there's a reason for that. Thaksin also tried to curtail the sex trade - or at least the perception of Thailand as the sex trade capital of the world, mostly by placing a 1 AM curfew on the bars, a curfew that was stringently enforced. This resulted in a lot of the high end prostitution relocating to Singapore, and a decline in the number and quality, (if my sources are to be believed), of brothels catering to westerners.

Personally I think Thaksin's efforts in fighting the sex trade are to be commended - and there's no guarantee the military is going to keep up those efforts. It's a shame that the west views Thailand primarily through the lens of the sex business there, when I feel it has so much more to offer.

The last time I was in Thailand I spent most of my time around Chaing Mai in northern Thailand. Thaksin was very popular there - being from there, he had pumped huge amounts of money into the area, revitalizing native arts and crafts. I'm sure he's still popular in those areas, something you're not going to hear coming out of Bangkok.

There's another component to this whole thing that no one is talking about, and that's the class issue. Thaksin was a populist. He created many social programs that benefited the poor - a first for any Thai government. There are two classes of Thais - "true" Thais that came down from China - who are generally taller, thinner, and paler skinned. These are the ruling Thais - the one's with the money and the power. The other Thais are shorter and darker and make up the majority of the country's people - and all of it's rural poor. That's why you see the streetworkers in Thailand wearing ski masks and long sleeved shirts in 90 degree heat and 100% humidity. They don't want a tan to turn their skin darker. This also accounts for all the skin lightening products available there.

The last thing the ruling class in Thailand wants is for a populist like Thaksin to be in control. And it's not unlikely that he could have won another election. Polls taken in Bangkok back in April showed Thaksin to be at 45% popularity in Bangkok and with a positive popularity in the rest of the country.

The opposition to Thaksin regularly in the press refereed to him as "square face" and another word (that escapes me right now) that is an especially derogatory term for one of the hilltribes in the north - in effect calling Thaksin a peasant and pretty much the equivalent of the "N" word here. My point is that there was a class component to this that isn't being talked about in the MSM.

The people in the picture you posted upthread are wearing yellow... that's the royal color. It shows support for the King, not necessarily support for the coup, per se. Although in Thailand that amounts to the same thing.


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I'm not trying to defend Thaksin - he did some pretty bad things... all I'm trying to say with this post is, to go back to what I said earlier - it's problematic to make judgments about good and bad in a culture so alien to ours - and I hope what I've written will make you rethink your opinion of Thaksin somewhat.

on ed -

http://enews.earthlink.net/article/int?guid=20060921/45120e40_3ca6_1552620060921-776092842

This troubles me. I don't trust the Thai military, which is very right wing. Why a year? Why suspend the constitution? Why disallow the formation of political parties?
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:20 PM
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8. Well, as long as the KING and the COUP LEADER agree, everything
must be perfectly all right and democratic.

:sarcasm:
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:22 PM
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9. The King, the coup leader and oh yea....THE PEOPLE.
Talk to some Thai folks.....I think you might be surprised at how much they support this coup.

This is not as bad as some are making it out to be.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:45 PM
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14. Well, they're kinda used to military coups over there. eom
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 09:55 PM
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18. These people look soooooooo sad Thaksin is gone
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:53 PM
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21. Tight crowd shots aren't really very convincing
That crowd might only be a dozen people, for all one can tell by looking at the picture.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 03:37 PM
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11. Just got an e-mail from my son-in-law.
He's got a real sense of humor about it.

The people love the King, and the King's siding with the outgoing PM, who's absolutely corrupt and hated by most Thais.

Except in Chiang Mai, where my son-in-law is. Apparently the PM's from, originally.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 04:01 PM
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12. Chaing Mai - how beautiful. Is he vacationing?
I didn't get to see Northern Thailand when I was there.....next trip.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 05:40 PM
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13. Karr's 1st Class Flight Out of Thailand???? n/t
under the craziness of a trumped up "confession." Please pass the tin-foil :tinfoilhat:
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 08:56 PM
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16. Something is not right.
There constitution is suspended. If this outgoing P.M. is so bad that this coup is being accepted with humor, why do the people of Thailand have to have their constitution taken away.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-21-06 11:48 PM
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20. Greetings from the King of Thailand
"I heartily endorse this event or product or coup".

I mean if a king endorses the army throwing out an elected government, what right-thinking democrat could possibly argue?
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