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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:15 PM
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Israelis trained Kurdish troops in Iraq-BBC report

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L1979854.htm

Israelis trained Kurdish troops in Iraq-BBC report


LONDON, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Former Israeli commandos secretly trained Kurdish soldiers in northern Iraq to protect a new international airport and in counter-terrorism operations, the BBC television reported on Tuesday.

Former Israeli special forces soldiers entered Iraq from Turkey in 2004 to train two groups of Kurdish troops, one of the former Israeli trainers told the BBC's "Newsnight" programme.

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"My part of the contract was to train the Kurdish security people for a big airport project and for training, as well as the Peshmerga, and the actual soldiers, the army," the former Israeli soldier told "Newsnight".

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The Kurds' political enemies have long accused them of an alliance with Israel while Israel's critics suspect it wants to use the Kurdish region as a strategic base to get closer to its arch-enemy Iran.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:17 PM
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1. I am sure the Shias and the Sunis will be thrilled to hear this
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 10:18 PM by IndianaGreen
not to mention Turkey.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:17 PM
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2. But the headline doesn't say "former," does it?
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 10:18 PM by Redstone
Nice way to twist the news right there, yes?

Redstone
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:23 PM
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4. "former","active" doesn't apply here, Redstone.
"Israeli" is the match to the gasoline.

This was a bonehead move, buddy. They could have used Italians or Aussies to do this if our guys were stretched too thin.

This was fucking stupid and/or needlessly in-their-face or horrifically diabolical.

This bunch just doesn't get it.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:19 PM
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3. Oh... THIS oughta go over really well.
Holy crap, whose idea was THAT?
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:26 PM
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5. the trainer-in-chief?
:shrug:

I mean busco* is in charge, no?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:48 PM
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10. You are correct.
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 11:38 PM by TomInTib
There is no way Israel would have done this without US complicty and assistance (financial, etc.).

As someone with a background in this sort of ops, I am just blown away by this.

What in the hell could they have been thinking?

Or are they so diabollically crazy/cock-sure that they thought this would stay under the radar?
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katsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:36 PM
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12. I think you hit the nail on the head.
"Or are they so diabollically crazy/cock-sure that they thought this would stay under the radar."

The list of things they believed would never surface is quite long... WMDs, torture, Abu Gharib, warrentless wiretapping etc.

Insane, crazy.
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greccogirl Donating Member (566 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:29 PM
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6. Why is this a problem?
They probably got good training.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:33 PM
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8. They don't like Jews being on the same continent, let alone
in the same country.
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oncall247 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:32 PM
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7. Now also remember, Al-Zagawri was in Iraq Kurd territory. This is
the real Al-qaeda link to Iraq before the US invasion. The Kurd-israeli alliance goes back further than 2004 and it was known among intel community that Israeli special op troops were inside Iraq at least 18 months before the US invaded.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 11:09 PM
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:45 AM
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17. Well, slap me on the back and call me Karl Rove.
What an exquisite piece of inferential slander blaming 9/11 on the Jews instead of the Arabs without the smallest shred of actual evidence or truth.

My hat's off to you, sir!
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 10:39 PM
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9. This would not be the first time that Israel has assisted the Kurds...
to advance its own interests. In the late 1960s, Israel, with Iranian cooperation, provided them with substantial assistance in their campaign against Baghdad. Israel has a history of supporting non-Arab minorities in the Middle East as part of a strategy to destabilize hostile regimes.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:31 AM
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13. How long will these people abuse our patience
With these hare-brained schemes which are bound to blow up in our faces? Or theirs.
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BrotherBuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 12:46 AM
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14. Well, if you can figure out the Kurdistan riddle, you win a shiny dime
Edited on Wed Sep-20-06 12:54 AM by BrotherBuzz
I've been watching and reading about the Kurds and have come to the conclusion that it is an even money bet that this region will be ground zero for WWIII. Extra credit if you can guess who attacks whom first. :shrug:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:42 AM
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16. Are you talking about the Israelis or the Kurds?
Heaven forfend two peoples who are regularly murdered by their neighbors should band together for the purpose of survival. Bad survival. Bad. Not for Kurds or Jews, no, no.

Harald Hardrada was a very successful mercenary, btw. He always protected the ones with the money.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 01:38 AM
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15. This is really old news.
Why are they bringing it up now? The story is at least as old as the Iraq War.

The first time I heard it, I thought it was so nice that two shunned peoples could help each other out.

Perhaps, I thought, Israel will have a friend and ally in the Middle East.

What part of this is bad?

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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 02:20 AM
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18. Yet another shunned people, the Armenians, whom
(as Adolf Hitler accurately remarked) no one thinks about anymore might think this is pay-back time for the Kurds who were among their chief tormentors in 1915. So that puts a tragic light on this subject. And, wait, I thought the Turks and Israelis were on good terms. But the Turks treat the Kurds as subhuman. How is this going to work out?
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-20-06 06:03 PM
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19. I think Seymour Hersh...
wrote about this over a year ago....

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