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Purveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:02 AM
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Bush Campaign to Donate Illegal (Tom Noe) Donation
(09-15) 21:18 PDT Columbus, Ohio (AP) --

Donations that a former coin dealer funneled to President Bush's re-election campaign will be given to charity, barring further directions from authorities, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee said Friday.

Tom Noe, 52, has admitted arranging a contribution scheme to fulfill his promise to generate $50,000 for a Bush-Cheney fundraiser. He was sentenced Tuesday to two years and three months in prison on three charges, including exceeding federal campaign contribution limits.

Prosecutors said Noe gave $45,400 directly or indirectly to 24 friends and associates who made the donations in their names, allowing him to skirt the $2,000 limit on individual contributions.

Authorities said Bush's campaign committee was unaware of the alleged contribution scheme and unknowingly submitted a false campaign report to the Federal Election Commission.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/09/15/national/a211819D18.DTL
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:06 AM
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1. I can just imagine the charity
Payable to the GOP environmental research council, c/o Haliburton, general manager. Get real.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 12:33 AM
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2. Stunning, isn't it?
Your suspicions have a lot of weight behind them.
Most normal people, at least those familiar with the story behind this crook, would consider the underlying fraud and the fact that the people from whom money was stolen or lost through incredible mismanagement would not necessarily want to contribute to junior's political campaigns.

Those defrauded funds should be restored before any other consideration of where it should go, especially since the rightful owners may not agree to support *'s notion of charity and should not be forced into that choice.

Mr. Noe knew that he had done something very wrong, else he would not have lied so vehemently in his own defense nor would he have tried to hide his crimes, run away to Florida, blame others and generally do every thing he could to escape culpability.

That little jail time is no more than a slap on the wrist, considering the damage he's responsible for.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 07:07 AM
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3. Or the Katrina fund, specifically designated to purchase more
of Neilsie's learning software.
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loves_dulcinea Donating Member (384 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 08:19 PM
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4. omg!
that was exactly what i was thinking!
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 08:28 PM
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5. They're getting so predictable.
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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6. Bush to donate illegal Noe contributions
http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060916/NEWS09/609160433/-1/NEWS

By JAMES DREW and STEVE EDER
BLADE STAFF WRITERS


COLUMBUS - President Bush will not keep thousands of dollars that Tom Noe illegally funneled into his re-election campaign, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee said last night.

"Barring any further direction from the authorities, Bush-Cheney will … voluntarily donate the $45,400 that was the subject of this investigation to charity," said Aaron McLear, a spokesman for the Republican National Committee.

Mr. McLear, however, said it was unclear when that would happen or what charity would receive the money.

The RNC's brief statement came nearly four months after Noe pleaded guilty to violating federal campaign finance laws and three days after the former Toledo area coin dealer was sentenced to 27 months in prison...



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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7. Dubya's Gonna Need That Dough
for his own legal defense fund.
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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8. I'm just waiting till Bush starts his Hague defense fund. nt
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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9. I don't understand why the funds are donated instead of given back
to the BWC. I know that trial hasn't taken place yet, but they say there is money missing from that coin fund he ran..
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Chipper Chat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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10. He should donate it to France as reparations
for the damage Ney did to their tourism coffers with his "freedom fries" agenda.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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11. What happens when illegal drug money is seized, does the criminal
...have the choice to funnel that money to his or her favorite charity? Same with illegal political contributions. That money should not go back to the contributors, nor should the politician be able to give those monies to some charity. It should be seized by the government (perhaps the IRS) to pay down the national debt. The politician should be fined for accepting the money and the contributor should have to pay both the income taxes on that contribution plus a fine. That would curb 99.9% of all illegal political contributions. End of story.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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12. Of course, the money will go to one of those 'faith based' charities
so that it can be funneled back into the next campaign.

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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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13. He'll give it where it will end up right back to him. n/t
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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14. Exactly. Follow the money. it will probably end up in an extreme-right
private school where they indoctrinate future Republican voters.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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15. It should go back to Ohio
The other posters are right; it's from the Bureau of Workmen's Comp; I hate to think
somebody who is injured won't get paid meanwhile the money is recycled into a phony charity.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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16. Sounds like a good idea to me.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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20. I like your sig line as well
they said that Iraq was staffed by more of the Heckuva job cronies just like
Micheal Brown, no wonder it is a mess!
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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17. agree money should go to Bureau of Workmen's Comp
This is stolen money; it should go back to the rightful owner
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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19. I think that taxpayers money should go where it supposed to go
there seems to be a very casual attitude about this, I find it very disconcerting.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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21. Casual attitude about way too much.
I think we need to fight the corruption at our local levels, since that's the root of the problem. These networks just have taken their bad practices to a federal level, and what we see is a phony Energy Company in Texas trying to steal from California, Teacher's Union's in Florida forced to buy stock in Enron, etc. etc. It gets repeated over and over again. The good ole boys have expanded from the local level, and it ain't all good for America.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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23. we have that here in Baltimore, the problem with high utility bills
they wanted a 76% rate hike this is after milking us all winter with artificial hikes in
Natural Gas. And before I am flamed for being too harsh; people burned to death in Baltimore
trying to keep warm with candles after their heat was shut off. See fact report below:

Attorney General Lautenschlager Testimony on Natural Gas Pricing Before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee

The wellhead price of natural gas in the six-year period of 2000-2005 increased by over $400 billion dollars compared to the previous six years Winter heating bills in the Midwest this winter are projected to be up by $250 per household, or 28 percent, compared to last winter, despite a 5 percent decline in consumption and record levels of gas in storage. They are up by over $600 compared to five years ago.
Our investigation does not support the commonly repeated mantra that “soaring” demand is driving natural gas prices. Both demand and supply have been relatively flat and steady over the past decade. The price of natural gas, meanwhile, has been all over the place, with peaks and valleys that constantly ratchet upwards.


http://www.doj.state.wi.us/news/2006/nr031406_PL.asp
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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24. Disgraceful.
We should see if they did the same thing with barrels of oil. When the price was at its highest a month ago, who bought the barrels and how much? I bet the US purchased more than usual, and now that the price is coming down, it's at a normal rate.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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25. I have a feeling that it is being manipulated in the US
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 08:17 PM by MissWaverly
See this article on how oil futures determine cost.

Oil traders bet that such worrisome developments would drive up the future price of oil. Oil is traded in contracts for future delivery, and companies that take physical delivery of oil are just a small part of total trading. Large pension and commodities funds are the big traders and they're seeking profits. They've sunk $105 billion or more into oil futures in recent years, according to Verleger. Their bets that oil prices would rise in the future bid up the price of oil.

That, in turn, led users of oil to create stockpiles as cushions against supply disruptions and even higher future prices. Now inventories of oil are approaching 1990 levels.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2003257679_oilconsumers14.html
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lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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18. Won't they get full IRS credit for making a charitable donation?




So if they give $45K to charity, don't they get to deduct the same $45K from next years taxes? And if so doesn't it mean they get to keep the slush money?




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sofa king Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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22. To a faith-based charity?
The antibiotics are placed in the pigs' food, but only part of it is digested. The rest is excreted and eaten by other pigs, who in turn excrete it out so that the process can begin anew.

And that's how the pigs remain fat and healthy.
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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26. ok, so if someone is 'given' part of the proceeds from a bank robbery...
...and is later caught with it, simply donating that money to charity will get them off the hook?
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-17-06 03:49 AM
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27. They'll probably give it to Abramoff's sports "charity"
nt
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