Shiites and Sunnis agree -- they're angry over pope's remarks

[ECH1969]

Amid the bloody sectarian struggles of Iraq, Shiite and Sunni Arabs have found a common ground in outrage.

Both Muslim sects are condemning Pope Benedict for remarks he made about Islam and "holy war."

One Shiite cleric in Iraq says the pope's quoting from a Medieval text about "jihad" was a "slander" on Islam and the Prophet Muhammad.

A Sunni leader in Baghdad says the remarks show the pope's "hatred" toward Islam.

http://www.13wham.com/news/world/story.aspx?content_id=47691870-AFB3-429D-9B07-B14F2A77B868

[bluestateguy]

1. I knew I wouldn't like this Nazi Pope

God Bless John Paul II. He was a fine man.

[mare]

25. You know, there are a hundred things

about this Pope to hate, why is it that EVERY SINGLE TIME his name comes up, there are people like you, repeating the same old crap about him being a "Nazi". He is not and never was a Nazi. When will you all finally get that? By now, it just makes me very angry.

[JI7]

2. how about when Bin Laden uses the Quron to support terrorism

[plasticsundance]

3. So you're saying the pope is only following the example of Osama?

:crazy:

[CJCRANE]

8. Osama is not the Sunni Pope.

He's a terrorist.

There's no equivalence.

[JI7]

12. the Pope is not a Muslim

[CJCRANE]

14. My point was that Osama

does not represent the Sunni religion.

The Pope represents Catholicism.

Therefore there is no equivalence between the two figures.

on eidt: basically you're comparing apples and oranges.

[plasticsundance]

15. Ah ... that's right ... lump all Muslims together.

Nothing like using xenophobia as the bases of your argument. :eyes:

[bluestateguy]

11. What about him?

Criticism of the Pope should not be taken as excusing bin Laden's religious fanatacism.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. Those uppity muslims.

You know who else pisses me off? N*****s. Oh, sure. They get all upset when a white man calls 'em n*****s. But how often do you see them getting upset over the D.C. sniper?!

:sarcasm:

[Betty]

4. the pope is a uniter

good for him!

[TechBear_Seattle]

5. His Holiness is a uniter, not a divider, even across sectarian lines n/t

[ShortnFiery]

6. Oh, this secular Franciscan hopes and prays that

The Pope stops making such divisive statements. :scared: :(

[Ex Lion Tamer]

13. How do you like being a secular Franciscan?

I've thought/am thinking about it.

Is there a way to e-mail each other?

[MADem]

7. Well, whatever. The English translation is a real SNOOZE, frankly

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pope/story/0,,1873277,00.html

If they get excited over one asshole's opinions in a university lecture, then they're too goddamned sensitive, IMO. We don't bomb them every fucking time they yell "Death to America." And they do that plenty...from government offices, in some nations!

And the irony of it all is that the dude in the dress and red hat was actually looking for some DIALOGUE....his big finish:

...The West has long been endangered by this aversion to the questions which underlie its rationality, and can only suffer great harm thereby. The courage to engage the whole breadth of reason, and not the denial of its grandeur - this is the programme with which a theology grounded in Biblical faith enters into the debates of our time. "Not to act reasonably, not to act with logos, is contrary to the nature of God", said Manuel II, according to his Christian understanding of God, in response to his Persian interlocutor.

It is to this great logos, to this breadth of reason, that we invite our partners in the dialogue of cultures. To rediscover it constantly is the great task of the university.

[ShortnFiery]

9. Agree! - In part, that is ...

That's one performance during Mass that I'd have to be careful not to snooze in. :blush:

Religious Sensitivity! I hope His advisers take this as a lesson to be MORE cautious. :shrug:

[CJCRANE]

10. Again there's no equivalence.

A mob yelling "Death to America" is not the same as if the ruler of Saudi Arabia said it.

Just like most people don't give it a sh*t what Ann Coulter says or two-bit RWers who talk about nuking Mecca.

[MADem]

17. I was referring to the spiritual leader of the Shi'a, Ayatullah Khomeini

actually. Not a mob.

Shit, I heard more than enough of that 'Marg bar Amrika, marg bar Karter" shit when he was alive.

He was a real sweetheart--remember, he was the Holy Leader who did the death sentence fetwah against Salman Rushdie (Marg bar Rushdie, too, I guess).

[CJCRANE]

19. Ok, that's fair enough.

That is equivalent.

On edit: however when it comes to bombings the West has managed to kill plenty more muslim civilians than vice versa by about 20 times (sorry had to get my lefty point in).

[MADem]

23. This old article talks about one of his Lieutenants who served the

79 revolution. He was an executioner, an Ayatullah, who lived in Ghom, and who, among the hundreds and hundreds he executed, killed someone I knew: http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/198107/naipaul

And more recently, you've got Hassan Nasrallah, he of the black turban in Lebanon, who is also a fan of the phrase, to say nothing of the usual Great Shatan rhetoric! Of course, he was one of Khomeini's proteges, so that really isn't all that surprising.

And let's not forget the satellite dish seizing, cracking-down-on-liberals, President of Iran himself. He's no fan of "Amrika" or, for that matter "Eeezrahel." And it goes without saying that he doesn't care at all for the Monkey.

Now, "Boooooooooosh" hasn't made the situation over there any better, certainly. But this sort of rhetoric has been going on since the days of calling for the death of Jimmy Carter. Only the name changes as the presidents change!

[fedsron2us]

18. 'Violence is incompatible with the nature of God'

according to the quote attributed to the Byzantine Emperor Manuel Paleologos in the Popes lecture.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_09_06_pope.pdf

Obviously quite a few people around the world do not agree with that concept.

[ECH1969]

20. The central notion behind the notion of Jihad

does not agree with that.

[VegasWolf]

21. So apparently is Science. nt

[VegasWolf]

22. Link to the FReakers topic on this topic. They believe the Pope was

serious and meant every word.


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1702331/posts

[CJCRANE]

24. Exactly

his comments have helped serve the neocon purpose.

The freepers seem so Christian when one refers to muslims as "animals" and another says people who disagree with the Pope should be shot with a "blunderbuss"...not.

ed: grammar

[bklyncowgirl]

26. Great, another uniter not a divider--Good work Your Holiness.

I don't suppose I'll be giving up my "conscientious objector" status with the Catholic Church any time soon.