Spitzer and (Hillary) Clinton Win in N.Y. Primary

[onehandle]

In the New York race, Mrs. Clinton’s landslide carried its own broader significance. By performing strongly among a liberal, antiwar primary electorate, she showed that her vote for military action in Iraq in 2002 did not damage her political standing as it did with Senator Joseph I. Lieberman, Democrat of Connecticut, who lost his bid for re-nomination last month to an antiwar candidate, Ned Lamont.

Mrs. Clinton’s little-known opponent in New York, a union organizer named Jonathan Tasini, tried to tap into voter anger over Iraq, yet he had little money and did not effectively turn the race into a message-sending moment about the war.

“Clinton’s work ethic, her lack of enemies, and her fund-raising help for other Democrats have insulated her from party criticism, including on Iraq,” said Ken Sherrill, a political scientist at Hunter College. “I got a taped phone call from Susan Sarandon urging support for Tasini, but that’s all I really heard about him.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/13/nyregion/13york.html

[Why Syzygy]

1. Really don't think Lieberman's

only flaw was the war. There was a long list to choose from.

I take it Hillary didn't launch a dirty campaign, as did Joe. People are pretty sick of dirty.

[Habibi]

8. To my knowledge, she didn't campaign at all.

[Tellurian]

12. Great! A significant barometer of her popularity..

Bodes well for her, if she chooses to run.

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[Tellurian]

28. And your point IS?

apparently, you consider yourself to be the final word of Hillary's viability as a potential presidential candidate. Using half baked preconceptions as logic when in fact, all it is is just your opinion. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I can respect opinions based in fact but I don't feel "facts" are one of your top priorities.

[juajen]

29. My, my, you do have an agenda

I certainly like Al Gore, though some of his supporters, like yourself, sure turn me off.

Your disrespect for HC is palpable and displaced. I have yet to see a Hillary supporter tearing down another possible dem pres candidate. I wish you would stick to specifics. How is her raising a lot of money a bad thing. I'm sure you know that she is our party's best fundraiser for others as well as herself.

Obviously, she can do nothing right as far as you're concerned; and, as for other criticism, such as her Iraq war vote, only one dem senator did not vote for that war. I believe that was Russ Feingold; so, only supporters of Russ should be smug about the war. She certainly is not for early withdrawal; neither am I. It would be criminal to leave Iraq in its present condition. A solution will have to be found.

As to your other comment regarding her election being an election of Bill, I do not believe for one moment that she would relinquish an iota of her power as pres to her husband, if she prevails at the polls.

Dems are quite famous for shooting themselves in the foot; this time, I believe, it's because the shoe is a high heel. God help us.

[Tellurian]

35. what juajen said...

I believe, it's because the shoe is a high heel. God help us.

brief aside:

"SHE" IS helping us.

[geardaddy]

32. I think we already have hereditary rule

so, that part of your argument doesn't float.

[geardaddy]

33. Oh and btw HRC is from Chicagoland originally, not NY

from what I remember.

[ronnykmarshall]

51. And that damn Bobby Kennedy ...

was from Mass!!

[desi]

36. It would be nice if you built up YOUR candidate...

without tearing MINE down. I can't imagine ANY Democrat comparing/contrasting Cat Killer/Divining Bill Frist to ANY Democrat and giving props to Frist. I took you off ignore only to reply and alert since Senator Clinton IS now OUR duly ELECTED candidate and I believe there are rules governing inflamatory posts such as yours. Have a great day..and if Gore is OUR candidate in '08 I will surely and proudly vote for him a 4th time. I will save my invective for the damn republican.

[IrishTbag33]

56. Clinton

I myself hope she does run.

[Exiled in America]

57. In NEW YORK.

Which means about nothing.

[jacklambert]

18. She was a shoe-in

even from the very beginning. Just a sample of what we'll see in November.

[noonwitch]

11. Yeah, the Michigan governor's race is gettin ugly

DeVos has been at it with negative attacks for a while-he started out accusing the governor of negative attacks before she had run any ads.

On the other hand, the senate race in Michigan is very dignified, thus far. Neither candidate is attacking the other. Stabenow is running on her record, and Bouchard is running a non-personal campaign about too much spending in Washington, but he's not attacking her personally.

[Jack Rabbit]

73. There is that and Lamont was better financed

Lieberman's problem is that he isn't just pro-war, he is pro-Bush. It's bad enough that he can't admit the ivasion was a mistake, both morally and practically, but to argue that Bush is above criticism is beyond the pale. Senator Clinton at least knows that bad mistakes have been made by Bush and his pals and she says so, even if I don't agree with her premise that it was right to go to war in the first place.

[darkmaestro019]

2. Lack of enemies?

I know what they mean, I guess, and I assume they don't mean all those "enemies" who'd hate a baby rabbit if it were named Clinton, but I think anyone who LACKS enemies hasn't done much of any worth.

[lostnotforgotten]

3. Will Vote For Spitzer But Never Hillary

I will not support Bush enablers!

[skipos]

4. Republicans thank you for not voting for Hillary.

nt

[Exiled in America]

58. Yeah kind of like the terrorist thank us for opposing Bush...

Hey... in your support of Hillary, try not to stoop to saying stupid things that are VERBATIM talking points of the neo-cons, only with the subject changed.

If its logically fallacious reasoning when they say it, then its logically fallacious reasoning when you say it too.

[skipos]

60. Nope. Sorry.

Hillary is my last dem choice for 08. I just get tired of the take-my-ball-and-go-home Democrats who would gladly let neo-con Republicans get elected because the Democrat isn't progressive enough for them. I am tired of Democrats who want to piss on the parade when THEIR candidate doesn't get nominated. How does it help DUers when you make posts threatening to take your ball and go home? How does it help national Democrats? How does it help ANYONE? I will be incredibly disappointed if Hillary is our 08 nominee, but the LAST thing I am going to do is bum DUers out with a bunch of negativity or try to talk them into letting the Republican win.

Ralph Nader convinced enough people in Florida that there Gore wasn't progressive enough, and look how America has suffered for it. You and Ralph are free to withhold your votes from any many Democrats as you like and you can help Jeb or Santorum or Burns etc get re-elected if it makes you happy. I just don't get why you want to hang around DEMOCRATICunderground.

And terrorists don't give two shits about who is president, that's a fact. Republicans love it when we trash our candidates, that is a fact. I am all about challenging Dems in primaries, but once that is over with, I see no reason to try and talk DUers out of voting for the Democrat.

[oasis]

5. Hillary enabled Bush to do exactly what?

:shrug:

[Just-plain-Kathy]

27. Hillary enabled Bush to do everything...

In '04 she and Bill were our most well known voices in the democrat party. They could have fought harder to unseat Bush. It was long election season, Bill took ill suddenly close to the election, and Hillary was still doing her job in the Senate.

I can’t forgive her and that's why I voted against her in yesterday's primary. I honestly thinks she’s a smart woman. I know deep down, she would never stab us in the back the way Bush does. I only wish that while the republicans were trashing Kerry in ‘04 about profiting from catsup sales, Democrats would have spoken-up about Bush’s oil and defense ties.

The Clinton team advised Kerry. They told Kerry to just let Bush be Bush, and Bush couldn’t possibly win. You could tell when Kerry was being interviewed, he just kind of reacted to the audience and the show host. He didn’t try to get a message out. He was so sure America wouldn’t be dumb enough to vote for Bush. It was crazy for Kerry to believe that the husband of an up-coming presidential candidate would help him win. Kerry had to realize if he won, it would have held up Hillary‘s chances by up to eight years. I get the impression that Kerry’s a nice guy. I guess nice guys do finish last.

I don’t know how Hillary got off so easy. She was in the same position as Lieberman (minus the kiss). This really proves that our right-winged media wanted Lieberman to become a spoiler in this upcoming election. How many times did we hear about the “up-coming” Connecticut Primaries”? Yesterday's NY Primary was hardly mentioned on the 24/7 news channels. This proves that the conservative media wanted Hillary to win. The neo-cons want her to run for President, they know she can’t possible win in ‘08. This country is so divided, the only way Democrats could win is to sway some cross-over votes. I can’t see Bill Clinton-hating Republicans voting for Hillary. That’s like asking us to vote for Laura.

This is very frustrating.

[Tellurian]

30. Hi Kathy..

Has anyone told you that:

Al Gore won the election in 2000?

John Kerry's votes were stolen in Ohio?

(the case is still being pursued)

The Clintons had nothing to do with enabling Bush..

[Just-plain-Kathy]

31. Hi Tellurian,

All I'm saying is that in '04 Bill Clinton was being called a political "Rock-Star" by even the most right-winged talking-heads. If Bill Clinton murmured from his hospital bed, 'Bush is a war profiteering opportunist, America could trust Kerry to fix the nation'. Kerry would have won by a landslide.

I have never voted against a Democrat, I don't think I ever could.

[Tellurian]

34. And while recovering

from bypass surgery, he waved his magic wand, John Kerry's votes wouldn't be in dispute in Ohio.

Tra-La-La :hi:

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[William769]

9. Oy vey!

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

25. Double Oy vey!

:eyes: :eyes:

[desi]

46. I'll make it the ''Trifecta'' Oy vey

The usual suspects smell blood in the water...BUT...it's a bloodied Tasini not the Good Senator..;-)

[BigDDem]

10. Oh, so you didnt vote for Kerry?

Let me guess....Nader?

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[ananda]

16. I hear you!

Here in Texas I'm having a very hard time deciding who to vote for for governor.

I most definitely will NOT EVER vote for Perry or Kinky ... but I might vote for
Carol Strayhorn simply because I can't stand the Dem Chris Bell after what he
said at a peace rally right before the war started. He had caved in to all the
fearmongering and lies and nobody could reason with him.

Sue

[Janice325]

26. You would vote for Strayhorn?????

:wtf:I don't live in Texas, but don't understand how anyone on DU would vote for her. From her Texas State Comptroller site:

"Her youngest son, Scott McClellan, is former Press Secretary to the President of the United States."

:http://window.state.tx.us/comptrol/ckrbio.html

I guess 'cause her last name is different people don't realize she's Scottie's mom. :cry:

[Renew Deal]

17. Somehow I doubt you'll vote for either of them.

:think:

[lostnotforgotten]

62. Pretty Presumptuous On Your Part

Let's see, I donated 1,000 hours of my time to the Martin Frost Congressional race in 2004.

I watched as the ES&S machines stole that election.

I watched as the Texas Democratic party did nothing.

I watched as the national Democratic party did nothing.

But even with all that, I do not have to lower my self to vote for a war monger.

[LynneSin]

19. Great, we'll start a DUers for Republican Majority

I'm stuck with voting for Tom Carper, a democrat here in Delaware that is endorsing Lieberman. It was too late to field a primary candidate when he made the announcement, but I'll rot in hell first before I vote republican or vote Green (which is essentially voting for the republican)

[ronnykmarshall]

49. Well, you know how you "moderates" are.

:silly:

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[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

66. And who will you be voting for as senator?

If you don't vote Democrat, then you're enabling Bush, since 3rd party votes are pretty much just a vote for the Republicans. Sad, but true, so you should get your priorities in order or go back under your bridge.

[Dogmudgeon]

6. TRAITORS! WHORES! TRAITORS! WHORES!

:blush:

I'm sorry. I saw the name "Clinton", and the Tourette's just kind of kicked in.

--p!

[trogdor]

7. HRC is not a Fox News Democrat.

That's the difference.

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[nxylas]

43. She isn't?

Why did Murdoch buy her then?

[Stephanie]

68. She's bought and paid for by Rupert Murdoch

OR did you forget the little fundraiser he threw for her?

[geek tragedy]

72. She can take his money without selling her vote.

It's not like that one fundraiser made any difference to her fate.

[DeeDeeNY]

14. I didn't support Hillary in the primary

but now that she is the Democratic candidate, I will of course vote for her.
And at least New York doesn't have Diebold voting machines yet.

[Bitwit1234]

15. Chaffee Win

Wasn't yesterday a PRIMARY day. This on ""CNN -- breaking news..Chaffee wins his race in a predominately democratic state. Good news for his party.''' Well hell - don't all state have republican candidates against another republican candidate and the same for democrats. What does the fact that Chaffee won against another republican in a democratic state make. What are they trying to say. I sure didn't understand this one.

[smartvoter]

22. I saw that. nt

[AlGore-08.com]

23. It's big news because the guy running against Chaffee in the primary

was a rightwingnut would have lost in the general election. Chaffee is almost certainly going to be re-elected in November. So if Chaffee had lost, the Democrats would have picked up his seat in a year where we have the potential to win one or more Houses.

That's why the GOP went so far as to state for the record that if Laffey (Chaffee's opponent) won, that they would not spend a dime on his general election and would not help him in any non-financial way either. The GOP worked very hard to get Independents to the polls, since they knew that Chaffee didn't have enough support among Republicans to win the primary.

That's why it was very big news that Chaffee won the primary.

[gully]

24. Lieberman kissed Bush's ass, Hillary hasn't.

eom

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[gully]

40. Check her voting record.

You'll find the issues she's come up right on.

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

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[gully]

42. You don't care about choice/the environment/wild life/civil rights

education/health care/labor etc.?

Look, I'm not a huge fan but there is a difference in how she has conducted herself as compared to Lieberman.

Thanks.

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[Tellurian]

53. Buh-bye, shuck and jive DU'er

have a nice trip!

[CollegeDUer]

37. Hilary spent 100 TIMES the amount of money that Tasini did

This was a bullshit election. The voters didn't get anywhere near a fair hearing or debate (Hilary refused) of the two candidates.

[Smarmie Doofus]

48. She didn't have to refuse; corporate buddies at Time-Warner

arranged things so she didn't have to debate Tasini.

She owes 'em a solid.

They'll get it.

What it's gonna cost the general public we have to wait and see.

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[Tellurian]

52. Move On, Troll

you don't belong here..

Your posts are worthless, provative, claptrap!

Take a hike!

[nxylas]

54. A maximum of 83% of the voters didn't know who he was

To get 17% of the vote if 95% of the voters hadn't heard of him would be a mathematical impossibility.

[Mind Snapper]

64. There might have been an

Anyone But Hilary faction

[Stephanie]

69. In fact there was

And some voters only learned they had an option as they were walking into the polls and had a Tasini flyer handed to them. That's how throughly the NY media shut him out.

[Smarmie Doofus]

47. It's news to me that the primary electorate here is....

>>.By performing strongly among a liberal, antiwar primary electorate, she showed that her vote for military action in Iraq in 2002 did not damage her political standing>>>

either "liberal" or "antiwar" given its long history of nominating pro-war dinosaurs ( Clinton, Schumer, Moynihan, Koch).

The NYS primary electorate... and the NYS party machine... is way, way, far to the right of the national party and is completely dominated by big $$$ and the distortions of corporate media.

[civildisoBDence]

55. The more it looks like a Democrat takeover,

the more shrill the trolls get.

Read the tea leaves and weep, jackasses.

Newsprism

[onehandle]

65. Yep. nt

[mkb]

59. Cautiously Optimistic, Again

     Letterman comes before the numbers racket, as you should
observe, but the results seem from my view to be pretty good.
     There will come a time I believe, when many will not be
as enthusiastic for Hillary as they have been, but getting
everything you want, particularly all at once is hard to do. 
Mark Green represented the underdog, as I most often do, and
probably would have been the better choice, notwithstanding
general election strategy.  Spitzer appears to have good
credentials, and will be an improvement I think if he
continues his ways of doing things.  Remember if you come to
the other district of Columbia, Washington State, don't spit
on the sidewalk.  Or anywhere else for that matter.  You can
figure it out if you try.  Just be careful.
     The hustle of the recent weeks has taken its toll, at
least on me, so I am going to do more resting until I can
recharge my batteries.  I think many may find this a good time
to rest a bit and prepare for the general election season. 
The news is encouraging I think, but the work must go on no
matter what happens.  Good Luck.

[Maryland Liberal]

61. HRC

Mrs. Clinton’s little-known opponent in New York, a union
organizer named Jonathan Tasini, tried to tap into voter anger
over Iraq, yet he had little money and did not effectively
turn the race into a message-sending moment about the war.

IMHO if Hillary had a deep pockets challenger - she would have
been in Big trouble.

[IndianaGreen]

63. We cannot chastise Lieberman for not supporting the Democratic nominee

if we fail to support the Democratic nominee for US Senate for NY. I hope Hillary stays in the Senate for another 6 years, at least!

[Stephanie]

67. Tasini with his $200,000 vs her $45,000,000 takes 17% of the vote

Spitzer's opponent Tom Suozzi had $8 million and didn't do much better - 19%. What does that tell you? A motivated anti-war base and an army of volunteers made a real dent in her armor. All we needed was a million dollars and it would have been a race.

[nealmhughes]

70. I agree. It was simple money, nothing else.

HRC's nay on the Feinstein-Leahy Amendment banning civilian use of cluster bombs is pretty rank, and worthy of condemnation when 29 Democrats and Sen. Jeffords voted aye.

HRC voted with Brownback, Kyl and every other Corporate Republican/money grubbing Democratic enabler.

If I still lived on Long Island, I'd pull the big D lever, but camaign for her, no way. Tasini was shafted by big money. They know whose bread to butter and it's not a labor organizer's by any means.

I hope Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Shumer and Biden and Liebermann and Nelson (NE) all enjoy the death to children in Afghanistan/Iraq/Lebanon that will ensue from those nice little "toy-sized" bomblets they voted for on the 16th.

[Nutmegger]

71. Unfortunately it all comes down to money

HRC has a huge war-chest. If Tasini was a millionare, he would have made a bigger dent. That's not to say that he would have won outright.

Back in March everyone wrote off Lamont, including those here on this board. But Lamont, fortunately, is a millionare and has the support of the grassroots. He harnassed that and toppled an 18-year incumbent.

I'm not a huge fan of HRC but I want her to face here IWR vote. Every Dem and Repuke does.