Reuters: Sixty bodies found in Baghdad in 24 hours: source

[Up2Late]

(Why don't they ever report the millions of people who were NOT killed by "...sectarian death squads and kidnap gangs..." today???) :sarcasm:

Sixty bodies found in Baghdad in 24 hours: source

Wed Sep 13, 2006 01:51 AM ET

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A total of 60 unidentified bodies have been found in various parts of Baghdad over the past 24 hours, an Interior Ministry source said on Wednesday.

The unusually high 24-hour tally was recorded despite a month-old security crackdown in Iraq's capital by U.S. and Iraqi troops.

The source said most bodies were bound and shot in the head and many bore signs of torture -- trademarks of sectarian death squads and kidnap gangs plaguing the capital.

The United Nations estimated two months ago about 100 people a day were being killed in Iraq in sectarian bloodshed between the country's majority Shi'ite Muslims and minority Sunni Arabs.

(more at link) <http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=13470173&src=rss/topNews>

[Robbien]

1. So much for the crackdown

in addition to the sixty bodies,

Adding to the toll a bomb in a parked car in central Baghdad killed 10 people and wounded 38 others during the morning rush-hour. The blast occurred near Iraq's national sports stadium.

In another attack, insurgents lobbed three mortar bombs at Al-Rashaad police station in Baghdad's eastern Jadida neighbourhood. The attack killed one policeman and wounded two others.

Another three mortars were fired at central Baghdad's old Al-Muthanna airport which left four civilians wounded.

http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=131276®ion=6

[lebkuchen]

13. So much for Iraq taking over its own security

[saigon68]

22. "BRING EM ON" shouted the DRAFT DODGING CHIMPANZEE

[rodeodance]

2. so so horrible for the families.

[kurth]

3. Iraq is unquestionably falling apart

And guess who broke it.

[Julius Civitatus]

4. Is this the work of DEATH SQUADS, Negroponte style?

Every day scores of Iraqi men are found killed and bound with signs of torture. Sorry, but this doesn't fit the "sectarian violence" meme the MSM keep mentioning.

"Sectarian violence" has manifested in the form of massive bombings and shootings in crowded areas (markets, mosques, etc).

These bodies are found bound and tortured.

Noticed this has been a common practice in Iraq since the tenure of John Negroponte, the infamous US official with a dismal track record in Latin America. During his tenure in Honduras in the 80s, paramilitary death squads killed, tortured and raped with impunity in the Central American country.

I strongly believe these deaths may be the work of some paramilitary death squad created in Iraq to combat the insurgency by illegal means. Their work bears he modus operandi favored by Negroponte.

[Henny Penny]

6. In my experience, sectarian violence tends to be

a group of usually young males from one community coming across one male who is from the other side but has strayed into the wrong area and is beaten up, often with fatal consequences. It is usally opportunistic unless it is a planned revenge attack. Planned revenge attacks would involve beating someone deemed guilty of a particular crime or damaging their property etc.

When I read what is happening in Iraq I am very suspicious of British and US orchestration.

[Julius Civitatus]

19. Note: I don't think the US or the UK are behind these murders

Just in case my earlier posts wasn't clear:

- I don't believe nor I want to imply that the US or the UK are behind these murders.

- I do believe these murders are the work of paramilitary Iraqi death squads, probably a secret group related to the Iraqi army.

- It wouldn't surprise me if the organization of secret, underground death squads i n the Iraqi army was "suggested" by a character like Negroponte during his tenure in Baghdad. It seems like this type of dirty war is part of his specialty. He certainly may have shared his "expertise" in the establishment of these groups.

Overall, these horrific crimes seem methodical, show signs of torture, and appear in large numbers. This is no "sectarian violence." This is very systematic.

I believe this may be a dirty war effort to stop the insurgency by using secret, illegal paramilitary groups operating as death squads. This formula worked all over Central America during the 80s.

[Henny Penny]

24. And who are you suggesting is behind this dirty war effort? n/t

[Julius Civitatus]

28. Didn't you just read my post?

I explained clearly what I think it's going on.

[Henny Penny]

29. I read it... but you say you don't think the US or the UK are

behind them and yet you also say that secret paramilitary death squads might have been "suggested" by someone like Negroponte.

To me that looks like you are saying the US (in the person of "someone like Negroponte") has set up paramilitary groups to carry out these actions on their behalf. I'm afraid I felt free to chuck in the UK reference myself after the infamous Basra incident.

Apologies if I misunderstood you, but sadly this doesn't seem like an unreasonable supposition to me.

[MetaTrope]

8. Does sound like interrogation to me...

[Henny Penny]

5. I was watching BBC last night...

can't remember if it was 10 o'clock news or Newsnight, but they casually mentioned that since 911, between 60,000 and 150,000 people had been killed, mostly civillians. Quite the margin of error.. eh?

With no end in sight.... For What??



:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[stepnw1f]

7. Bush Sees Death of People as Good Thing

in his small limited mind he thinks if enough people die, the easier that country will be to manage. Bush has a "god" complex... he really thinks he can control the uncontrollable, a sympton seen in most drug abusers and alcoholics. I know... I'm one.

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[maxsolomon]

16. proof please

pretty provocative charge.

i can understand your suspicions, but i don't buy that al sadr & the mahdi army are working closely with negroponte & his minions.

[doctor_garth]

17. do you have proof Negroponte ISN'T involved

given his background?

These killings were not happening when Saddam was in power, were they?

Do you have proof that Al Sadr or the Mahdi army are in fact behind these attacks?

The violence in Iraq will stop only when America FUCKING LEAVES!

But don't count on that, the Bush Crime Family will not give 14 military bases, all that oil, plus that embassy bigger than the Vatican being built as I type these words.

[maxsolomon]

23. how this works: you made the charge. you back it up.

i don't believe (yet) that the violence will stop with our leaving. it will likely escalate, at least during an ethnic cleansing of intermixed areas in & around bagdhad.

you made the charge ragarding negroponte. it is not my responsibility to prove innocence. but i've heard the logic before, and i don't dismiss it. i know negroponte's background, and i know he's not above provoking sunni/shiia warfare, but i think the mahdi army has plenty of motive & opportunity to do this in reprisal for sunni/fake sunni al queda bombings. the religions really hate each other.

can't BOTH things be true? negroponte is a douche & so is al sadr?

[doctor_garth]

27. these killings

have Negroponte written all over them. You're claiming it's a Sunni/Shiia warfare because CNN told you so, but you can't prove it either.

They were not killing each other like this during Saddam were they, why now?

Americans are behind the violence in Iraq. Let's get our heads out of the sand.

[maxsolomon]

33. sorry i don't watch CNN, do you?

i don't argue that the US is the cause of violence in iraq. but i don't see the logic of sunni/shiia hatred ending just because we're gone. they're not going to join hands & sing kumbaya.

what is the MOTIVE for US-sponsored or executed death squad killings of Sunnis?

is the US also bombing Shiia markets & police stations? Why?

a thought on why there wasn't killing like this during Saddam's rule: he was a TOTALITARIAN DICTATOR with unquestioned authority & a well deserved reputation for ruthlessness, who exhausted his country & decimated the male population in a pointless war with iran. the things he's accused of doing? he did it. it seems kind of quaint in retrospect.

why didn't the serbs & croats kill each other under Tito? same reason.

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[doctor_garth]

31. lol

what was about my post that made you call me a RW freak?

Because of wimps like you that Democrats keep losing elections.

[rodeodance]

10. and NPR just said 2 US troops died today in Iraq.

[BobF]

11. Freedom is on the March!

Gosh...much more of this kind of stuff, and oil prices may begin to rise due to 'instability'.

When chaos lines the pockets of the War Profiteers, expect more chaos.

[Ian_rd]

12. Stop hating America! I'm sure they were all terrorists ....

or future terrorists, or wives of terrorists, or abetters of terrorists, or ... um .... in the general vicinity of terrorists. So stop caring about these people and learn to hate them like a real American!

[TheMirrorMan]

26. .

Seems like hate is the only motivator.

[paparush]

14. Baghdad is building, what, 3 NEW MORGUES...

to handle all of the freedom...

[lebkuchen]

15. I wouldn't brag about it.

Bush would define it as "success," though.

[thethinker]

18. I would like to know more about these deaths

When these bodies first started showing up, they interviewed family members who said they were arrested by people wearing uniforms. Were these 60 unidentified bodies, folks who were arrested in the middle of the night?

How long will the media ignore this? How long can they get by with trying to call this "sectarian violence"? This has all the hallmarks of death squads.

[civildisoBDence]

20. If this isn't civil war, what the hell is it?

Maybe the neocons can come up with a cute euphimism or some clever doublespeak, like civil strife.

What tragic irony--a barbarian claims to fight a war for civilization by invading the cradle of civilization.

Newsprism

[msatty99]

21. Dead Men in the Streets

I noticed that Bush said in his 9-11 speech that 'what happens in the streets of bagdad' will
determine the outcome of our war on terror. If that were literaly true or even if he believed this
(which I doubt) You would expect a sharp, tactical and comprehensive response to this kind of
report.

I doubt we will see that.

[nealmhughes]

25. Why is Baghdad not under curfew/martial law?

Seriously. How can one defend oneself when the Army/police may well be the agents who come in the night?

Were I in Baghdad and had any ties to a rural area by family or marriage, I would be there with my family so fast ... if it would be safe to travel to wherever haven is...

Disgusting. One of the oldest cradles of civilization in the world in this tailspin to anarchy...

60 persons, bound, torutured and shot in the head. Unfathomable. Why was this not the lead story on every channel in the world? I guess we are too busy listening to the latest about Suri Cruise to care about Baghdad.

Why didn't the BusCo, Inc. just plant a government of national salvation as soon as Saddam hightailed it? Why was the army disbanded? Why did the police flee?

Oh, I remember, Mr. Rumsfeld said any more talk of "postwar" Iraq would mean a fired general or admiral...

Could it be that this is an excuse to perpetuate chaos to keep oil volatile? That the Iraqis will finally come to their knees and plead: "Oh, please, Uncle George and Cousin Tony -- please build bases and keep us safe; my kids want to go to school and my wife would really like to be able to shop without a bomb going off at the market, and a job for me might be swell, too..."

Then the bases guard the Peninsular oil from their potential targets in the Gulf, making Saudi/Kuwaiti oil nice and secure and the traders in NY and London and Frankfurt antsy continually, keeping the price jacked up and the supply relatively safe.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave..."

[oasis]

32. but...but...under Saddam things were much worse.

:eyes: