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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 12:56 PM
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Cheney says did "helluva job" since September 11 (Reuters)
Edited on Sun Sep-10-06 12:57 PM by Up2Late
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Cheney says did "helluva job" since September 11


Sun Sep 10, 2006 01:34 PM ET

By Steve Holland and Thomas Ferraro

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The government has done "a helluva job" guarding America, Vice President Dick Cheney said on Sunday, as President George W. Bush prepared to visit Ground Zero amid an election-year debate on whether the country is safer five years after the September 11 attacks.

Cheney and other top administration officials sought on the eve of the anniversary to promote what they say is progress in protecting against a second Sept 11.

Democrats countered that the administration had used the attacks for political gain, underlining the bitter divisions that have emerged since the attacks on New York and Washington killed nearly 3,000 people and united the nation in grief.

"I don't know how you can explain five years of no attacks, five years of successful disruption of attacks, five years of defeating the efforts of al Qaeda to come back and kill more Americans. You have got to give some credence to the notion that maybe somebody did something right," Cheney told NBC's "Meet the Press."

(more at link) <http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=13440108&src=rss/topNews>
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:06 PM
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1. cheney's done a heck of a job enriching himself since 911
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:11 PM
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2. Hell is the appropriate word.
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Maeve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:41 PM
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5. Yeah, as it "a job for Hell"--Daddy Satan must be so proud of little Dick!
:eyes:
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:22 PM
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3. Here's how you explain 5 years w/o another attack on U.S. soil
Al Qaeda has shown before that they are a very "patient" organziation, for lack of a better word.

The first World Trade Center attacked happened in February 1993.

Of course, the real doozie happened in September 2001.

How do you explain THAT, Darth Vadar?
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:44 PM
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18. Yeah, that means that Clinton should get credit
for no attacks in over seven years. 1993 till he left office in 2000. Wonder if the DICK would ever admit that.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:17 AM
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30. Only 1, 30 days into his term
He actually went almost 8 years with no foreign terrorist attacks on US soil. If Bush can be given a pass by the righties for just getting into place, 8 months later, surely Clinton can be given a pass after only 30 days.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:24 PM
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4. Somehow Cheney manages to be both Bush and Brownie. Now that is sad.nt
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dreamsvsnightmares Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 01:43 PM
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6. Hey Dick; Here is a question! Why use planes for attacks when
they can just walk or drive across the US borders with or without fake id's and plant your their I Hate America Statements in any damn state they want to. I know you feel safe but what about the rest of us.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:05 PM
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7. Actually he's right.. It does seem like Hell..n/t
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:18 PM
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10. That's such a cute picture! Did you take it?
I have a similar picture of my little white cat Judy, when she was in an area that I was working on the pipes in my house, and was about to seal up, trapping her, if I hadn't seen her.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:26 PM
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11. Not even my kitty..But it was too cute, so I cat-nabbed it..
But we do have a "wall" cat in our family.. My son's cat, Wally, was one of 4 kittens rescued from within a kitchen wall before she even had her eyes open.. A friend's mother called her at midnight one night to tell her she heard kittens..

They thought Mom had gone round the bend, but she sounded so upset, that they got dressed and went to her house.. sure enough, aftre moving the stove and hacking a hole in the wall, out came four newborn kittens.. They suspect that Mom somehow moved them there, and never returned to them.. she must have gotten into the garage through an open door, had the kittens, and when the garage door was closed, she could not get back to them..

they were a bit dehydrated, but a trip to the vets in the am proved them healthy.. Wally's about 13 now ,and a feisty rascal..
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:13 PM
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8. Heckuva job Vs. Helluva job + BushCo fuckups either way
And no amount of propaganda can cover it up.

BushCo republicons failed American on 9/11 and at KATRINA.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:15 PM
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9. Just like Brownie
eom

Except he has vindicated himself by outing the halfwits in the White House.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 02:33 PM
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12. "No attacks since 9/11" is a frickin lie
Major terrorist attacks since 9/11
Sean Clarke details the most serious terror attacks around the world since September 11 2001

Thursday July 7, 2005
Guardian Unlimited

March 2002, Israel ..
October 12 2002, Bali, Indonesia ..
October 23 2002, Moscow ..
May 16 2003, Casablanca, Morocco ..
May 12 2003, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia ..
November 20 2003, Istanbul, Turkey ..
March 11 2004, Madrid ..
September 1 - 3 2004, Beslan, Russia ..

http://www.guardian.co.uk/terrorism/story/0,12780,1523552,00.html


The Guardian list is incomplete, missing (for example) the bombing of the UN in Iraq. One should ask, too, exactly what constitutes terrorism, because the Administration often uses creative accounting:

U.S. Campaign Produces Few Convictions on Terrorism Charges
Statistics Often Count Lesser Crimes

By Dan Eggen and Julie Tate
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, June 12, 2005; Page A01

First of two parts

.. Flanked by Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales, Bush said that "federal terrorism investigations have resulted in charges against more than 400 suspects, and more than half of those charged have been convicted." ..

An analysis of the Justice Department's own list of terrorism prosecutions by The Washington Post shows that 39 people -- not 200, as officials have implied -- were convicted of crimes related to terrorism or national security ..

Among all the people charged as a result of terrorism probes in the three years after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, The Post found no demonstrated connection to terrorism or terrorist groups for 180 of them.

Just one in nine individuals on the list had an alleged connection to the al Qaeda terrorist network and only 14 people convicted of terrorism-related crimes -- including Faris and convicted Sept. 11 plotter Zacarias Moussaoui -- have clear links to the group. Many more cases involve Colombian drug cartels, supporters of the Palestinian cause, Rwandan war criminals or others with no apparent ties to al Qaeda or its leader, Osama bin Laden ..

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/11/AR2005061100381.html


Thousands of hate crimes are committed annually by groups of the sort that spawned Tim McVeigh

FBI Whistleblower: White Supremacists Are Major Domestic Terrorist Threat

.. AMY GOODMAN: Looking at the piece that you did in The Washington Post, "Behind the Lone Terrorist, a Pack Mentality," you talk about every once in a while, a follower of these movements bursts violently into our world with deadly consequences. McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, Buford Furrow, Jr., Paul Hill, to name just a few, all convicted murderers, identified as lone extremists, the most difficult terrorists to stop, because they act independently from any organization. Or do they? You write, “Tim McVeigh seemed able to find a militia meeting wherever he went. He was linked to militia groups in Arizona and Michigan, white supremacist groups in Oklahoma and Missouri, and at gun shows he sold copies of The Turner Diaries, the racist novel written by the founder of a neo-Nazi organization. No one finds such groups by accident.” You talk about Eric Rudolph who planted the bombs at the Atlanta Olympics, two abortion clinics, gay nightclub, grew up in the Christian Identity Movement, which identifies whites as God’s chosen people and encourages the faithful to follow the Biblical example of Phineas, by becoming instruments of God’s vengeance. Aryan Nations, formerly of Hayden Lake, Idaho, was the center of Christian Identity thought. Not incidentally, Buford Furrow worked there as a security guard before going on a shooting rampage at a Jewish day care center in Southern California. And you talk about Paul Hill, wrote of the need to take Phineas actions to prevent abortions and was so well known that the news media used to -- used him to speak in support of Michael Griffin's killing of abortion doctor, David Gunn, that Hill later shot an abortion provider himself should have surprised no one. Give us the landscape of these groups. They're well known.

MIKE GERMAN: Sure, they're well known. And they're very well organized, and they're very smart. They understand criminal conspiracy laws. They understand the First Amendment. And they take advantage of those in training their operatives to go out and do these activities. And the point I was trying to make is -- is that we can’t look at these as isolated instances. It would be as if we were investigating the mafia and looking at every mafia hitman as a lone assassin and not looking at the underlying organization that was producing these murders, you know. And these people are careful, the leadership are careful about separating themselves from the actual criminal conspiracy, you know. But they do set the motive. They set the method that's used, and I believe that makes them part of the conspiracy. Now, I’m not saying necessarily you can make a criminal case against them, but all I’m saying is if we're -- if our number one priority is to prevent acts of terrorism, we have to pay attention to these needle factories, because that's what they're producing is these lone extremist terrorists. And it's not just random violence that occurs once in a while, it's an organized pattern of activity ..
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/13/145217


Posted: May 1, 2003
Prosecutors in Pierce County, Washington, have charged four white supremacists in connection with the brutal beating and murder of a homeless man in Tacoma.

Scotty James Butters, 20, Kurtis William Monschke, 19, David Nikos Pillatos, 19, and Tristian Lynn Frye, 22, are charged with first-degree aggravated murder in the March 23, 2003 killing of Randall Mark Townsend, 42, a homeless man.

According to prosecutors, the four assailants, all members of a white supremacist gang, attacked Townsend with baseball bats, a boulder, and their fists and boots during the assault. Pillatos is alleged to have hit the victim in the face with a baseball bat and a large rock, while Butters, Monschke and Frye allegedly punched, stomped and kicked him repeatedly. Townsend died on April 12 of injuries he sustained in the assault.

Prosecutors said the assailants were hunting for African-American drug addicts as part of a gang initiation rite when they encountered Townsend under the East 26 Street Bridge. The court documents allege that Frye wanted to earn red laces for her boots, a reward given to skinheads who physically assault enemy "parasites" and cause them to bleed ..

http://www.adl.org/learn/news/tacoma_Murder.asp


Updated June 14, 2005, 12:20 p.m. ET
Preacher accused of civil rights murders greets white supremacists as trial opens

.. Edgar Ray Killen, a sawmill operator confined to a wheelchair by a March logging accident, shook hands with a Georgia Klansman as he was helped from a car in front of the Neshoba County courthouse. He acknowledged another man wearing an Aryan Nation pin.

The warm greeting in full view of about 30 reporters and a dozen camera crews appeared to be a signal of defiance by Killen. Since his arrest in January, he has maintained his innocence but said those who carried out the murders did nothing wrong ..

http://www.courttv.com/trials/killen/061305_ctv.html



Friday, Jan. 14, 2005
White Supremacists, After Plotting to Kill Judge, Lose Attorney Fee Dispute
By Deborah Nathan, Esq.
Intellectual Property Litigation Reporter

A white-supremacist group can be held liable for attorney fees in a trademark infringement case because of harassing and criminal litigation conduct, including plotting to kill the trial judge, according to a federal appeals court ruling that stretched fee-shifting under the Lanham Act beyond the law's traditional infringement provisions ..

Hale went so far as to solicit the murder of Judge Lefkow and attempt to influence her by force. He was arrested by federal agents in January 2003 and was convicted on the charges last spring. United States v. Hale, No. 03 CR 0011 (N.D. Ill. Apr. 26, 2004) ..

http://news.findlaw.com/andrews/bt/int/20050114/20050114tetama.html



March 1, 2005 -- The husband and mother of a federal judge who was targeted for assassination by World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) chieftain Matthew Hale were murdered inside her Chicago home, two years after white supremacists publicized her home address and photos of her family on the internet.

U.S. District Court Judge Joan Humphrey Lefkow came home from work and discovered the bodies of her husband, Chicago attorney Michael F. Lefkow, 64, and her mother, 89-year-old Donna Grace Humphrey, around 6 p.m. Monday.

The victims reportedly had been murdered execution-style, each shot in the back of the head with a .22-caliber firearm ..

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?aid=11
Do check out the photo at the link!



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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:24 PM
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14. Of course it's a lie, that's all they ever do is lie.
The Bush Cabal lies about EVERYTHING!

Terrorism - you've coved that...

Unemployment is low, BS! They've change the way they count the unemployed and skewed the numbers by not extending unemployment benefits (or allowing the States to shorten benefits). When your benefits run out, they don't count you anymore.

The Deficit? More creative accounting!

I could go on and on, but just remember this, George W. Bush and all the people who work for him (his supporters) LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING. Period.
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:20 PM
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13. It's like insider trading , if you controll them it becomes pointless
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SKKY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 04:24 PM
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15. 5 years of no attacks?????
Hmmm. Bali, Madrid, Riyad???? No attacks on US soil is very, very short-sighted there Dick. Remember, we do have allies. They
count to no?
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:50 PM
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20. Madrid
http://avantgo.thetimes.co.uk/services/avantgo/article/0,,1150429,00.html



Bomb squad link in Spanish blasts

From Edward Owen in Madrid

THE man accused of supplying the dynamite used in the al-Qaeda train bombings in Madrid was in possession of the private telephone number of the head of Spain’s Civil Guard bomb squad, it emerged yesterday.

Emilio Suárez Trashorras, who is alleged to have supplied 200kg of dynamite used in the bombs, had obtained the number of Juan Jesús Sánchez Manzano, the head of Tedax.

The revelation has raised fresh concerns in Madrid about links between those held responsible for the March bombings, which killed 190 people, and Spain’s security services, and shortcomings in the police investigation. Señor Suárez Trashorras and two other men implicated in the bombings have already been identified as police informers. Other members of the group had evaded police surveillance, despite concerns within the security services about their activities and evidence of their association with al-Qaeda.

The telephone number of Señor Sánchez Manzano was contained in a Civil Guard dossier handed to Juan del Olmo, the investigating judge, at the National Court in Madrid. The number was written on a piece of paper found in the possession of Carmen Toro, the wife of Señor Suárez Trashorras. Both are in custody accused of supplying dynamite used in the Madrid bombs.

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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:03 PM
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16. How is that anthrax investigation going Dick?
oh and um, where the fuck is Osama?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:03 PM
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17. ok...let's use Cheney's logic: there were no attacks on American soil...
...during the Clinton administration, so they must have been doing a "hell of a job" fighting terrorism. And, there were no attacks during Bush Sr.'s presidency, so, he must have been doing a "hell of a job" fighting terrorism. In fact: the only time we have had a terrorist attack on our soil, is...during W's term. So, they must be really sucky at fighting terrorism (if you use Cheney's logic).
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 05:48 PM
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19. Sure did one hellofa job, making the US the most hated nation in the world
.
.
.

"Mission Accomplished"?

I don't think so
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 06:22 PM
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21. I would describe the job Bush has done as hellish, too.
:evilgrin:
rocknation
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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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22. Cheney Defends Hardline White House Role



http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060910/D8K27MI01.html

Cheney Defends Hardline White House Role
Email this Story

Sep 10, 4:53 PM (ET)

By TOM RAUM

WASHINGTON (AP) - Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday defended his lightning-rod role as a leading advocate for invading Iraq, for a warrantless surveillance program and for harsh treatment of suspected terrorists.

"Part of my job is to think about the unthinkable, to focus what in fact the terrorists may have in store for us," Cheney told NBC's "Meet the Press" when asked about his "dark side."

Cheney said he now recognizes that the insurgency in Iraq was not "in its last throes," as he said in May 2005. "I think there is no question but that we did not anticipate an insurgency that would last this long," the vice president said.


n this photograph provided by "Meet the Press," Vice President Dick Cheney appears during the taping of "Meet the Press'" Sunday, Sept. 10, 2006, at the NBC studios in Washington. (AP Photo/Meet The Press, Alex Wong)


Cheney shrugged off news reports that his influence was waning, partly as a result of foreign policy miscalculations and partly as other advisers, especially Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, were getting more attention from President Bush.

FULL story at link above.


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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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23. this POS needs his own google bomb n/t
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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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24. I don't understand why all of our elected officials expected Iraq
invasion to be different than the Afghanistan invasion. I do think that maybe if the Iraq's had an election immediately and we pulled out immediately things would have been different. I know we didn't invade to bring democracy. A civil war maybe, but not democracy.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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25. He repeated the same old mantras
"Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism...bla bla bla" ...he's a fucking robot...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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26. A useless piece of "Whale Shit'
LOL
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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27. One of his main stay memes was MISSING today. Significant?
I noticed in the interview when Russert was pressing him, as hard as Russert is going to press that is, about what actions were possible against Iran? Russert mentiond specifically that Iran was not Iraq. Cheney bristled, as he does at every question basically. Cheney said he knew Iran was Not Iraq. I thought momentarily, ok this is where we get the 'all options are on the table' meme. Guess what? I never heard it !! Did anyone else? I guess I could have missed it and if I did I am sorry, but I DON"T THINK HE SAID IT, and I think that is significant myself because he used to spew it constantly starting with Iraq, and I know he has said it in regards to Iran but today he DID NOT SAY: "all options are on the table". I think that could be significant, and indicative that his power within the admisnistration has indeed been waning.

I think it would have been great if Russert closed with: " Ok, Mr VP, quickly, tell us have you shot any more hunt buddies in the face?"

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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-10-06 11:24 PM
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28. He looks like death warmed over. Lynn must be feeding him steak with
all the trimmings again.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-11-06 04:14 AM
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29. Ask Clinton 1993-2001 - his entire term
After one attack a month into his term, there were no other attacks on US soil. Using the Bush standard, Clinton did a helluva job himself. Too bad Cheney didn't have a meeting or something when he was put in charge of terrorism after he threw out the Clinton agenda.
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