CNN/Reuters: Researchers identify 'male warrior effect'

[DeepModem Mom]

Researchers identify 'male warrior effect'
September 9, 2006

NORWICH, England (Reuters) -- Men may have developed a psychology that makes them particularly able to engage in wars, a scientist said on Friday.

New research has shown that men bond together and cooperate well in the face of adversity to protect their interests more than women, which could explain why war is almost exclusively a male business, according to Professor Mark van Vugt of the University of Kent in southern England.

"Men respond more strongly to outward threats, we've labeled that the 'man warrior effect'," he told the British Association for the Advancement of Science meeting.

"Men are more likely to support a country going to war. Men are more likely sign up for the military and men are more likely to lead groups in more autocratic, militaristic ways than women," he added.

Van Vugt said the finding is consistent with results from different behavioral science disciplines....

http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/09/09/warrior.effect.reut/index.html

[ShortnFiery]

1. Thanks for informing us of "The Bloody Obvious"

MorAns! :P

[whistle]

2. It takes operant conditioning, that would be nurture not nature...

[undergroundpanther]

9. I think it's both

Nurture and nature together.

Because nature can be brutal as shit. Parents can be brutal as shit.

You abuse someone they see threats where there are none. I have PSTD I see threats sometimes where there are none.It makes me sensitive and defensive sometimes. The kind of "nurture" I grew up with,if you wanna call it that..has made me more aggressive,stressed and wary than I want to be. So I spend alot of time dealing with anger ,triggers and feeling unsafe in situations that may not bug other people at all..

Child abuse is common. It has been throughout civilized history.
http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/05_history.html

Child abuse and trauma from events can scar the brain ,change the perception of the world the person has,and leave their brain stuck in vigilant(threat) mode.

I got that problem.I startle when people approach me certain ways,I can't help it,I just jump out of my skin sometimes I yelp or spin around with my fists ready to punch. Most of the time it's no threat just my mom asking a question or something like that.I feel stupid after I do that because I don't intend to be that way but it's an involuntary,visceral reaction..

But another thing if people grab my arms it is a direct trigger. That I cannot cope with well at all yet. I have to fight the urge to fight or struggle to escape with every ounce of my being to not to clock them when people who do not know my past grab my arms.
I know People DO grab your arms for benign reasons like helping you up after a fall .But still I react and fight that visceral reaction.

So I dunno how many males are made that way by abuse,because not many people grow up in this culture without running into a bully when 1 in 4 people have some form of personality disorder resting on the spectrum of narcissism,sociopath or authoritarian.The Military has a culture of hierarchy,abuse,and obedeince..Stuff like hazing, sergeants talking to recruits like scum to break them down,the "killing the woman" in the man concept in the military
http://www.vvawai.org/sw/sw31/pgs_15-24/c_cap.html

are a few examples among many more of the abuse culture in the military .The boot camp breakdown means breaking down a recruits ego or personality so they will be more willing to obey orders instead of their own inner locus of control or conscience,and overcome the natural resistance to killing another human being.(this break down process does not apply in the same way to sociopaths,authoritarians and bully types,they just need to be impressed upon that obeying the chain of command will get them more of what they already want ,which is more or less in line with the desires of the military industrial complex anyways*full spectrum domination*)

Nature is brutal there are predators hurricanes forest fires droughts..That scars the brain with trauma.

I don't think there are many people on this Earth who have No scars from traumas.

Now if you add hormones to the mix it can get alot worse.
I remember before I began my transition from Female to male(I am transgender) I had PMS from hell.Female/male hormones out of balance in conflict inside my body was one of my problems. I became crazy every month.Literally. I got stuck in psych wards because of the havoc hormones wrought upon my brain once the hormones got changed when the period started I would be calmer but also very suicidal because of the triggering of my transgender issues bleeding caused.. My anger got so bad when my hormones were off I would clobber walls just to get myself under control so I could cope with life and all the stress and not hurt anyone.I remember little things would piss me off that would not faze me now..Now that my uterus is gone(It was taken out because I got stuck in bleed mode and became anemic) and now that I am older and hopefully the ovaries are drying up because with every passing year I feel calmer and I notice the testosterone is increasing as the estrogen fades.... I'd get so mad I'd bite the back of a chair to control myself.So I do know hormones are powerful things that are in bodies that can mess you up.If men have the hormones out of whack in certain ways they can get crazy too I have no doubt.I have seen Male to Female Trans people change when they got shots of estrogen into totally different people emotionally,not just physically their tension just melted away,similar to what happed to me when a source of conflicting hormones for my body was taken out.
The change was DRAMATIC for me. Getting a hysterectomy was the best thing that ever happened for my mental health I can say with no doubt.So I dunno.

That is why I said the stuff I said in the other post about hormone disruptor's.
http://www.holology.com/hormone.html

It might be a good thing wrapped up inside a bad thing. If some over aggressive,threatened possibly abused males are craving estrogen and some females are craving (bodily)testosterone..It could stabilize things on a societal level if these hormones get balanced in individuals somehow. It's uncanny how these hormone disruptor's feminize men and mascuinize women..Maybe we are all androgyny and nature is trying to fix a "split" that should never have been,but has happened. I mean even in areas where pollution is not so severe animals can switch genders at will. Looks like evolution could be self correcting,and also culling the human population to sustainable levels,on Earth..

A limit on births is being imposed ,from nature and from corporation .A limit which we seem unable to do on our own initiative,because of cultural baggage,religious beliefs or from our very bodies. Nature could be working through US and using our brains and our inventiveness,certain people's callous competitive greed(sociopath Ceo's) and our general lack of foresight to change us before we kill this planet. I think life itself wants to live,beyond what living individuals do in thier lives....I dunno what's going on,time will tell what the effects these chemicals will have on us all.Good or bad.I hope for the good tho,but I am cynical enough to see the bad too. I Hope someday we are balanced emotionally to the point there are no more wars or child abuse.

[AX10]

3. Stating the obvious.

[undergroundpanther]

4. Time to reduce the

number of men in power,there may be less wars for all of us if the males are basically not able to declare a war and force everybody to go fight it as in..: lets you and him fight 'cause I feel threatened(bus h's rationale)

So when males feel"threatened"they get their testosterone going and bang chests like apes.Well Doh'oh.. Bush is the stupid 'alpha male degenerate' we are dealing with now,threatened by shit in his own head..That is why we got Iraq quagmire. Funny how in these wars males declare women and children suffer the worst..The warrior effect makes men into bad leaders and bad diplomats if they feel threats and have this'urge' to act out this way... Just saying...

Maybe there is a GOOD side to all the PCB s and endocrine disruptor's polluting everything..

http://www.holology.com/hormone.html

It is feminizing the males. Maybe nature is wiser than we think it is and is using the"alpha asshole" males running chemical companies and their aggressive competition to sculpt males in general into a less warlike species on an evolutionary basis.Also this stuff corrupts sperm and it will reduce population.Wonder why erectile dysfunction and lower sex drives are a visible issue now? Just a thought

[knight_of_the_star]

5. And women wouldn't do that?

That is fuzzy thinking to assume that women in power wouldn't react in a similar fashion. Just look at Margaret Thatcher for example, not to mention little things like some of the highest scoring snipers in the Great Patriotic War in the Red Army were women. Human nature is what allows wars to happen because humans like to factionalize and then defend their nice neat factions when they feel attacked. You are making a huge leap in your post and ignoring human history in general. The biggest influence on aggressive behavior, male or female, is based on culture not on gender.

[notadmblnd]

7. yeah, I would agree, it is a bit tribal

but no,I think women generally work in other ways. Yes, there are some that possess some of the more masculine traits.. but on the whole, I agree with the OP

[undergroundpanther]

12. I think BIG civilizations

Are what has led to alot of our woes with abuse of power.

I think people do better in smaller numbers in smaller communities with a bit of space around them. Yeah Tribes..
For in a smaller community the abusers of power,the sociopaths and those types can more easily be detected and taken care of,as long as they do not dominate the smaller group.

In a BIG impersonal system like we got it is easier for sociopaths to dominate, steal resources,hoard them, and abuse people and get away with it.If you don't relate to your neighbors,and you rely on the appearances of normalcy to judge who is good or bad,you never know your own neighbor is dangerous until the stench of the bodies wafts up and the cops are called.This kind of society we got now is a HAVEN for sociopaths,that's why there are so MANY of them.There are no ways to limit, exile or remove them from us that are effective enough and accurate enough of a detection to keep a community safe from abusers.
Our nation is too damn big and impersonal to regulate its own population's mental health.
http://www.anus.com/zine/articles/crowdism/

[AngryAmish]

17. Tribal man much more violent than large civilization man

Neolithic tribes have an appalingly high violence rate.

[undergroundpanther]

10. See my other post, here...#9

I am not superficial in my thinking on this.

[DrRang]

15. Historically, men make the big boom-boom, women clean up the mess after.

[AlamoDemoc]

8. hmmm! US of A comes to mind

[notadmblnd]

6. seems to me a lot less people would need to die....

if they just held pissing contests. :crazy:

[ClintonTyree]

11. The freeper gene.......

most men have evolved but there are still a great number that have not yet made the jump from knuckle dragging troglodyte to modern man. These crude examples of today's male can usually be found at a place called, "freerepublic". Be forewarned: DO NOT approach freerepublic or any of it's denizens without first having an up-to-date tetanus shot and preferably a machine pistol. Consider them dumb and dangerous!

[truthisfreedom]

13. which explains why we are bonding together to rid ourselves of thugs

this year, they're going down. totally going down.

[undergroundpanther]

14. And it's about time!!

Freedom begins with YOU !! and with a big fat a NO you don't DO that..To a sociopath,authority figure,bully,narcissist,,control freak,sadist,abuser. No to domination,No to corruption, No to torture, No to conquest,No to exploitation,No to control games, No to sustenance INEQUALITY, NO to bullies, No to Kings,No to bystanding while others are hurt or taken advantage of, NO to enabiling and creating a culture tolerant of abusers of power,wealth, trust and the needs,vulnerabilities and past wounds inside people, No to war,No to Racism,Sexism,Lookism,Homophobia,and NO to any other bullying ISM out there that is not directed at stopping bullies ,and No NO NO NO more of this culture of abuse BullsSHIT outta You ,fucking bullies!

Freedom begins with making boundaries.A cultural NO to abuse.
Freedom lasts with developing inner emotional self regulation from within,and self restraint and watching out for each others well being,(not motivated by control)..and the NO keeping the boundaries firm so that the abusers cannot get away with abuse anymore..

http://www.heart-2-heart.ca/men/page14.html

[pinerow]

16. Circular logic

nt

[Kingofalldems]

18. They need to study the chickenhawk effect

Sending someone else to fight.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

19. Doesn't explain why men bond together to CAUSE adversity

:grr: