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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:25 PM
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Half Ton of Bomb Material Stored a Few Miles from the White House

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/09/half_ton_of_bom.html

Half Ton of Bomb Material Stored a Few Miles from the White House

With virtually no questions asked, an undercover ABC News team was able to purchase a half ton of one of the world's most dangerous bomb-making materials and move it into a storage shed only a few miles from the White House and the U.S. Capitol.

Despite its use in the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building, there are still no federal laws restricting the purchase of ammonium nitrate, a chemical fertilizer, widely sold at farm supply stores.

...

The results of the ABC News investigation are "a wake-up call that the American people and the Congress needs," King said. A law requiring sellers to record purchases has passed King's committee and is awaiting a vote by the full House.

Brian Ross' full investigative report will air Monday on World News with Charles Gibson and as part of an ABC News Special Report on the fifth anniversary of 9/11. (l0pm EST/9pm Central)


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woodsprite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:30 PM
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1. Hmmmm - ABC. Sounds like a Rove plant to me.
I thought that SOOOOO quick and realized that there are alot of other people who will be questioning anything that comes out of ABC now too. Sounds like something the Whitehouse asked them to do. I would say any credibility that ABC had is gone now.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:35 PM
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2. Like Clinton recommended?
and the GOP Congress refused?
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:47 PM
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3. Rove bugged his own office
in 1986 and blamed it on his opponent. Just remember that.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:51 PM
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4. "With virtually no questions asked,..."
what questioned were asked? yes the gop has blocked any restrictions on purchases. an ammonium nitrate/fuel oil "bomb" blew up the math building at the university of wisconsin in madison in the late 60`s killing one person. the bomber was tried , sentenced, and was released several years ago.
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:53 PM
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5. I guess I don't understand the excitement.
One could easily fit a half-ton (20 50-pound sacks)
of ammonium nitrate in the back of a (say) Dodge
Caravan and park it on Constitution Avenue, a lot
closer than "a few miles" from the White House.
Why did it need to be located in a shed a few
miles away in order to be newsworthy?

Or maybe one could find that 8 ounces of "Semtex"
that the Massachusetts State Police lost yesterday
at Logan Airport.

To quote an old commercial, "where's the beef?"

Tesha
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:26 PM
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10. Or you could fill up a lotta gasoline tanks
Its ABC fearmongering again
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 01:55 PM
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6. So that's where...
...they are storing the extra Path to 9/11 DVD's...
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:01 PM
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7. an ABC news team was able to purchase a cell phone
which can be made into a trigger for a bomb, and CARRY IT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE!

OMG, freak out!
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:14 PM
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8. Brit Hume has the credibility of Bill O"Loofah Reilly. None
What a sell out he is.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:26 PM
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9. "one of the world's most dangerous bomb-making materials!!"
"one of the world's most dangerous bomb-making materials!!"

Wait a minute..."a chemical fertilizer, widely sold at farm supply stores"

In another thread the WH is saying that enriched uranium was!!!!????

I am confused... :crazy:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:29 PM
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11. Are there LEAST dangerous bomb making materials?
I mean a BOOM is a BOOM, right?
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 02:37 PM
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12. Depends...
On whether you need to start a war, I suppose...

In this day and age, mixing GatorAde, hair dye and batteries becomes becomes the Manhatten Project!!

I figure those items are located within a half mile of the White House as well...in that mall across the street from Congress, for instance. :eyes:

But your right...a boom is a boom and wish there was a lot less of them...
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Sal316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 03:40 PM
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13. ANFO is an effective explosive, but...................
..........it takes a substantial donor charge to make it detonate. Most, if not all, AN based propellants are classified as DOT 4.1 Flammable solids. ANFO is classified a DOT 1.5D. By way of comparison, most fireworks you can by for home use are 1.4G, a more restrictive classification. Things like C4 and other military explosives are usually classified 1.1, the most restrictive.

Just a quick bit on classifications is below:

Explosive (class 1) 49 CFR 173.50
1.1 Explosives (with a mass explosion hazard)
1.2 Explosives (with a projection hazard)
1.3 Explosives (with predominately a fire hazard)
1.4 Explosives (with no significant blast hazard)
1.5 Very insensitive explosives: Blasting agents
1.6 Extremely insensitive detonating substances

Flammable Solid (class 4) 49 CFR 173.124
4.1 Flammable Solid - wetted class 1 explosives, self reactive materials or readily combustible solids
4.2 Spontaneously Combustible Material - Pyrophoric or self-heating materials
4.3 Dangerous when wet material - gives off flammable or toxic gas or becomes spontaneously combustible on contact with water


Anyone who wants to discuss explosives chemistry really should have to take a test first. I've been doing it 10 years and whenever I hear stuff like this it makes my head hurt.
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CabalPowered Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:21 AM
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21. Good info. Thanks.
:thumbsup:
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Thor_MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 09:32 PM
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14. Any disel fueled truck with a 120 gallon fuel tank driving within
Edited on Fri Sep-08-06 09:33 PM by Thor_MN
a mile of the White House would qualify as half a ton of the other component of ANFO, whooptie-freaking-doo. This is news only because the GOP and their corporate sponsers are desperately seeking fear in any factor.
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mahatmakanejeeves Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-08-06 09:45 PM
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15. Not only that, but
you can buy bomb-making tools just a few miles from the White House and Capitol as well. I get mine at Sears - screwdrivers, wrenches, that sort of stuff. In fact, my house is a potential hotbed of making bombs. Just look at all those oscilloscopes, voltmeters, old cellphones.... Why, I could put some explosives in a Radio Flash wagon, tie them to the back of my bicycle, and be at the White House in an hour, easily. Truly, I am dangerous.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 01:40 AM
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16. banking on idiocy...
a friend with military training once demonstrated how easily "bombs" could be made, with some packets of non-dairy creamer. Anything that can burn and be dispersed in the air is a potential bomb.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 02:12 AM
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17. Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis?
Same thing, different decade.

Everybody was freaking out about a dozen nuclear missile in Cuba, 150 miles from Florida! OH MY GOD!!!

Yet, it is 1200 miles from Washington, DC. And did nobody notice that Soviet ballistic-missile subs were all over the Atlantic? I'm pretty sure that plenty of Russian boomers spend lots of time within 1200 miles of DC. And New York, Boston, Miami, Baltimore, Phildelphia, Norfolk, Atlanta, etc.

And now we're getting this crap. <sigh> There is nothing stopping anybody from walking up to a crowded check-in line at a major international airport with a suitcase full of explosives and detonating it before any security checkpoint. There is nothing keeping terrorists from attacking the security screens at stadiums, either. A ton of people are pressed outside the Metrodome here in Minneapolis, waiting to have the cops glance in their shoulder bags.... <boom!> couple of dead cops and a dozen dead baseball fans.

If the terrorists can't get to the target, they will start attacking the defenses of the target. We can see that in Baghad now. How many police-recruitment lines have been hit by car bombs and suicide bombers?

If you really want to start pointing fingers at every potential terrorist threat, start growing a lot more hands.
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133724 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 03:47 AM
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18. Fretilizer???? BullShit?????
there is already enough Bull Shit @ 1600 Penn Ave to blow it up......
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 08:03 AM
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19. Hey America. Do you feel safer NOW?
How effing stupid can they get? Don't answer that. I already know. :crazy:
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 09:17 AM
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20. Is this Cheney's idea of blowing up Washington if election goes left?
Well....I wouldn't put it past him.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 10:18 AM
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22. Its FERTILIZER. There are farms in Maryland and Virginia.
Fall is the season to fertilize. Perhaps they should just fertilize with the BS the GOP is spouting out.
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minnesota_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-09-06 02:23 PM
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23. ABC? They were once a respected broadcaster, right?
Edited on Sat Sep-09-06 02:25 PM by minnesota_liberal
Why would anyone believe their news stories anymore?
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