Questions Raised About Bush’s Primary Claims in Defense of Secret Detentio

[deminks]

Questions Raised About Bush’s Primary Claims in Defense of Secret Detention System

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/08/washington/08intel.html

WASHINGTON, Sept. 7 — In defending the Central Intelligence Agency’s secret network of prisons on Wednesday, President Bush said the detention system had used lawful interrogation techniques, was fully described to select members of Congress and led directly to the capture of a string of terrorists over the past four years.

A review of public documents and interviews with American officials raises questions about Mr. Bush’s claims on all three fronts.

Mr. Bush described the interrogation techniques used on the C.I.A. prisoners as having been “safe, lawful and effective,” and he asserted that torture had not been used. But the Bush administration has yet to make public the legal papers prepared by government lawyers that served as the basis for its determination that those procedures did not violate American or international law.

Public documents show that some of the information that led to the arrests of senior terrorism plotters like Khalid Shaikh Mohammed and Ramzi bin al-Shibh was known before the C.I.A. detained its first prisoner, Mr. Zubaydah, in the spring of 2002.

[ninkasi]

1. There is absolutely no question in my mind

that Bush ordered the torture of prisoners. He has lied about so many things, that I have no reason to believe him now. In addition, his practice when a boy of blowing up frogs tells me that he has a sadistic streak. There are too many indications of his lies, arrogance and cruelty. He is a disgrace to this country, and it infuriates me that he hides behind the flag, while disregarding every quality which made America great.

I love my country, but I hate the fact that we have a sadistic, churlish, petty, vindictive man occupying the Oval Office. This presidency will go down in history as one of the most shameful periods in America's history.

[daleo]

2. Bush - "I did not have torturing relations with that prisoner"

And/or "I am not a crook/torturer".

[enough]

3. k&r

[wicket]

4. And another

:kick:

[maseman]

5. Every time they try to turn up the heat

...with terra and scarra they seem to be cornered. Have they lost their edge? Before they would say stuff and no one would rebut or dispute what they were doing. Now they seem to get stopped with every little piece of propoganda they are spewing.