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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:48 AM Original message |
"Ethical" embryo stem cells still horrify Vatican |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
1. No offense to anyone, but SCREW the Vatican! |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. eh, Japan's breakthrough with adult stem cells will make this moot |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
25. How so, or were you being sarcastic? |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Don't forget to BURN COPERNICUS at the STAKE TOO |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
24. Eh - anytime you follow "No offense" with "SCREW the Vatican" |
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anotherdrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. well, the Vatican offends me, where do I go to complain? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
54. I guess you could try the local company rep - err - priest. |
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saigon68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
186. The line forms where the alter boys change their clothes |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. If you're offended I apologize. But this article is basically saying |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Oh I am not offended. Just pointing out the irony. |
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Seabiscuit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
128. I'll second that. SCREW THE VATICAN AND SCREW BUSH AND |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #128 |
196. Hey now, let's be fair...isn't this the same ETHICAL |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Forget science! Let's stick to using leeches! |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. modern medicine is, in fact, using leeches & maggots again for certain |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:08 AM Response to Original message |
4. Uh, wait, we've got to think of another reason to resist science again! |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
5. The Church Fathers Are Into Pain--Other People's Pain |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #5 |
154. IIRC, Mother Theresa said something along those lines. |
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Betty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
6. I see they think it's "invasive" to the embryo |
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dxdem (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:11 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Because the church is run by men. n/t |
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Eugene (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
9. "Embryo-safe" was never going to satisfy the Catholic Church. |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
10. Wasn't the church concerned about folks in the old days that |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
11. It is simple |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. As long as life begins when you say it does, right? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Life begins at conception. That is what the |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. It's not surprising. It's the "imo" part I was referring to. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:31 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. We all have opinions on these matters, why is |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:43 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. The church does NOT see all human beings as sacred |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
56. False. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
169. so who is going to pay for the 400K "babies" from artificial insemination |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 06:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
174. Never Heard It Put Better! |
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bitchkitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 08:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
179. Whoa - |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #15 |
36. It is not a surprise for you to have an opinion. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #15 |
71. Herein lies the difference |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #15 |
166. But there wouldn't be any room for the people! |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 03:59 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. "It should not be surprising ... |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
57. The Church views embryos as human persons, not as cells. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. if you're going to reply to my posts |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
98. I have responded to you. The Church teaches that |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. you haven't mastered simple arithmetic yet? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #102 |
119. I have been very honest and forthright. I have said that I feel |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #119 |
123. "as pointblank as it gets" |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:51 PM Response to Reply #119 |
172. Fine. You don't like abortion, don't have one. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:43 AM Response to Reply #119 |
184. Even if they are medical doctors and the abortions are performed... |
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zreosumgame (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:35 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. well, 'sacred' as long as they tithe... |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:37 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. No, sacred no matter who they are. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
20. Newsflash: It turns out the Pope is actually Catholic. |
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NoSheep (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
21. Does the war horrify the Vatican? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 12:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. The Church has spoken against the war. |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
23. If one accepts that a fertilized egg is a human being ...... it is the |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. if one accepts that there are faeries at the bottom of my garden |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #38 |
52. Pro-life people do think abortion is murder. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. bully for them |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:08 PM Response to Reply #73 |
97. The Church teaches that abortion is the taking of an |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:24 PM Response to Reply #97 |
136. Which is one reason of many... |
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Arugula Latte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #97 |
200. Patrick137. The Church also taught that the sun revolved around the Earth |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #52 |
155. Then they don't need to have abortions. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
143. I don't think the premise is silly...perhaps accepting it as true is silly |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:00 PM Response to Reply #23 |
142. I agree. The logic is pretty much airtight if that initial premise is |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
170. If a fertilized egg is a baby...then do we all eat baby chickens |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 06:53 AM Response to Reply #170 |
175. Most Modern Factory Farm Eggs Are Not Fertilized |
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Crowdance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
27. Walking us backwards through history, is the Pope. |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
28. You know, Benedict, I left the Church |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 02:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. And... |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 03:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. Wrong. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
44. The baby has rights too. |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. But those rights |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. No, and that is beneath you. |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. No, he's dead-on correct. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 05:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Many Priests have been charged and up to a billion dollars |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. That is white-washing bullshit. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. okay-crimes...call it crimes if you want...yet |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. The facts speak for themselves: |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #105 |
110. There are facts on both sides... |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:20 PM Response to Reply #110 |
134. But none on the side of Rome for excusing child-rape. |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #91 |
132. You don't think sexual abuse is a crime? |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:11 PM Response to Reply #67 |
130. A billion dollars... |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. It's not a baby, it's an embryo, or a fetus. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. It a human person. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
77. what's a human person? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #77 |
84. okay--then for you: human being |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:01 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. and for you: |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:04 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. What did I say to upset you? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
100. www.jabberwacky.com |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:40 PM Response to Reply #84 |
152. human being or not, it cant go to heaven... |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #84 |
187. Now that was a smart ass intelligent answer. (not) |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
148. Do you have ANYTHING to say beyond spouting talking points? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:29 PM Response to Reply #44 |
75. A baby does indeed have rights |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #85 |
93. that sounds insulting |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I am disrespectful because I am against killing human beings? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
104. Are you orange because you read the Sunday papers? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #104 |
111. tanx |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:41 PM Response to Reply #75 |
153. cept the right to go to heaven if it hasnt been baptized. |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
194. Then let the Church pay for all those unwanted children |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #35 |
144. I disagree. I don't think it is wise to completely shut down discourse |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:21 PM Response to Reply #144 |
149. The other side isn't interested in 'discourse'. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #149 |
151. My point is that it is never wrong to discuss issues - especially things |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #151 |
171. I never hear any of you people talk about the woman's rights. |
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Hosnon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 07:41 AM Response to Reply #171 |
177. "You People"? |
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Demeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 06:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
176. It's More Than Privacy; It's Autonomy! |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. How about the Church Mind It's Biz |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:27 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Life is their business. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
68. Sure It Is |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:23 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. You and I both know that the administration of the Church and |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Throwing weight around...? |
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Book Lover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Why is that confusing to you? (nm) |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. How do the Church toss its weight around? |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
158. Try Africa, where their anti-condom lies - LIES - like... |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 02:32 PM Response to Original message |
29. Vatican interference into U.S. law should horrify us all. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The Vatican does not interfere |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
62. No communion for those Candidates! |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It is not politics, it is the teachings of the faith... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #32 |
156. So you're a theocrat then. |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
33. Dont touch that embryo! |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 03:03 PM Response to Original message |
34. On this day in history ... |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
37. i wanna talk about women -- and women OWNING their own bodies. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. You are free to think whatever you want and so are Catholics. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
60. You just can't see it, can you? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. I think it is you |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #61 |
79. But as you say, it is your opinion, and the church's opinion. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:57 PM Response to Reply #79 |
87. actually, it's a *belief* |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #87 |
96. I do advocate that abortionists go to jail. |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #96 |
106. But not your child-raping priests? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:39 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. I never said that--you did. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
116. it's the ... uh ... seamless garment ... |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:44 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Grave sin, even one, is very bad on a person's soul. That is |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #118 |
125. That is the cost ... |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #118 |
138. Only if you subscribe to the theories... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:32 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. big fucking deal |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #107 |
117. It has a lot to do with how much a person knows. Many women |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:03 PM Response to Reply #117 |
127. It has a lot to do with how much a person knows. Many women |
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Don Claybrook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:17 PM Response to Reply #117 |
133. I'm happy that not all Catholics are like you |
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Betty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 11:17 PM Response to Reply #96 |
173. do you also dvocate jailing the women |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #79 |
90. We live in a republic that gives its citizens rights to shape |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
159. ...as long as said laws don't infringe on others' rights. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:43 PM Response to Reply #61 |
80. then WHY AREN'T YOU DOING IT? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:05 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. It is murder, or at the very least manslaughter. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #94 |
109. so where's yer pope? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. You won't hear the word murder from the Church |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
122. oh ... damn, eh? |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:30 PM Response to Reply #115 |
164. yes.. but if the church creates the climate that makes abortion |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #164 |
182. "Sorry Pontius Pilate" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:18 PM Response to Reply #94 |
160. In your opinion. |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
147. It's none of your business!!!! |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:11 PM Response to Reply #61 |
157. Actually, you don't have that right in the United States. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
70. from the Vatican to Catholics? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Infallible teachings won't change--ever. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #72 |
78. infallibility teachings have changed. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Wrong, infallible teaching never change. Galileo events |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
101. They have indeed changed. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. It has never happened. A statement cannot be repudiated |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:40 PM Response to Reply #103 |
113. It HAS happened. What I posted is indisputable fact. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:48 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. The filioque is one of the reasons the east and west Churches split. |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:48 PM Response to Reply #120 |
140. You are wrong again, Robespierre.... |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #103 |
135. There have been dogmatic shifts back and forth over time |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:41 PM Response to Reply #83 |
114. after some reading -- you are technically right |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
41. I'm Horrified That Priests Can't Marry |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
48. They would not follow the secular government. |
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acmejack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #48 |
64. Not really that much separating you guys from the Imams is there? |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Explain. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #48 |
76. Who is They? And Why Not if the Church |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. a small bone of contention. |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
82. Slvery was legal once too, abortion will be illgeal within ten years. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. It's I-L-L-E-G-A-L |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #88 |
99. I am against slaughtering innocent humans and yes that includes |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:33 PM Response to Reply #99 |
108. Good For You... |
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patrick317 (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:49 PM Response to Reply #108 |
121. All human beings, from conception to natural death, are sacred. Period. |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #121 |
124. Pat... You Sound Like a Programmed Robot |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #124 |
129. www.jabberwacky.com |
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MGKrebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. When does death occur? |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #121 |
167. so where is the hue and cry in the Church against those good Republicans |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:39 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. So, Patrick, are you going to be using the Christian Coalition Voting Guid |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 09:52 AM Response to Reply #121 |
181. Does the Catholic Church conduct funeral masses for miscarriages? |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #181 |
193. It didn't for me |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:23 PM Response to Reply #99 |
163. do you really want women to go to jail for abortion... death penalty? |
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BuddhaGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #99 |
165. "Life is sacred, period, end of story" |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #165 |
189. He's gone, but technically he should be. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
162. Let's place bets. |
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mcscajun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #162 |
178. Woohoo! Yes, I knew it, too! |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 08:49 AM Response to Reply #162 |
180. I was trying all day yesterday to bait him out on this stuff |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #180 |
185. You mean the fun's over? |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #185 |
188. Sadly AOD, yes it is... |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. I don't know if it was you, or someone else who said it |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 11:14 AM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Yep, that was me |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #190 |
199. It is more than just beginning to gain traction |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 06:21 PM Response to Reply #180 |
197. I had fun with him last night |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 09:39 PM Response to Reply #197 |
201. I got a real kick of how he thought he was "librel baitin' " |
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CatholicEdHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
131. Priests could marry until 1100 or so |
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bperci108 (969 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:57 PM Response to Reply #131 |
141. Yes. |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #141 |
146. In Africa, priests can still marry... |
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cap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
150. the married priests do in Africa |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
42. Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
69. A lot still horrifies the Vatican. |
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GoldenOldie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
139. "The church believes...." or the Vatican believes???? |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 10:41 AM Response to Reply #139 |
183. What the hell? |
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VegasWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
137. I have a solution. Let's use Jewish and Muslim embryos since they |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
145. Pope Ratzo is about to embrace Creationism, per LBN thread |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Aug-28-06 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
161. Under John Paul, despite some disturbing reactionary tendencies |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
192. tell me why guys who never have sex must control MY sex life? |
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kineneb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
195. Ya know, I really don't care what any Pope "thinks"(?) |
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Thickasabrick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Aug-29-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. I agree. The Pope gets way too much press. |
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