GOP candidate says 9/11 attacks were a hoax (Huh?!?!?)

[54anickel]

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060824/NEWS01/108240131/-1/business

A Republican candidate for this area’s congressional seat said Wednesday that the U.S. government was complicit in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

In an editorial board interview with The Telegraph on Wednesday, the candidate, Mary Maxwell, said the U.S. government had a role in killing nearly 3,000 people at the World Trade Center and Pentagon, so it could make Americans hate Arabs and allow the military to bomb Muslim nations such as Iraq.

Maxwell, 59, seeks the 2nd District congressional seat. The Concord resident opposes the incumbent, Charles Bass of Peterborough, and Berlin Mayor Bob Danderson in the Republican primary Sept. 12.

Maxwell would not specify if she holds the opinion that the government stood by while terrorists hijacked four domestic airliners and used them as weapons, or if it had a larger role by sanctioning and carrying out the attacks.

But she implicated the government by saying the Sept. 11 attacks were meant “to soften us up . . . to make us more willing to have more stringent laws here, which are totally against the Bill of Rights . . . to make us particularly focus on Arabs and Muslims . . . and those strange persons who spend all their time creating little bombs,” giving Americans a reason “to hate them and fear them and, therefore, bomb them in Iraq for other reasons.”

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[ClassWarrior]

1. Will the Cons "Cynthia McKinney" her too?

NGU.

[Canuckistanian]

13. More like "Katherine Harris" her

Make her so appear so crazy and deluded that no-one will consider her.

Look for her appearance on Hannity's TV show. That'll be the kiss of death.

[54anickel]

21. So Katherine Harris isn't really bat-shit crazy, she was simply made to

appear that way? :shrug:

[Canuckistanian]

22. Well, it's a combination

She IS batshit-crazy, but the "establishment" are also seriously shunning her or amplifying her faults (or at least not defending her AT ALL).

[hpot]

39. Video: U.S. foreknowledge on 9/11

Watch this video and then tell me if you still consider her bat-shit crazy.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6757267008400743688

[AntiFascist]

44. Excellent video, not much "theory" but loaded with facts n/t

[slackmaster]

35. Cynthia McKinney got Cynthia McKinney'd by her own constituents

And by herself.

[file83]

37. The second time around, yes. But the first time around (2002) she

got railroaded.

[Ignacio Upton]

40. They won't need to

Bass will win his primary, but lose to Paul Hodes!

[arikara]

41. That was my first thought too

if she should get in, they'll make her out to be nuts. If dragging her through the mud doesn't work, she should certainly avoid small planes.

I think in that sense, Cynthia McKinney is fortunate the smear campaign worked so well against her. There was no help from the dems of course... :sarcasm:

[Supersedeas]

48. Winning with an (R) behind your name is all that matters to Neo Cons

[Supersedeas]

49. Winning with an (R) behind your name is all that matters to Neo Cons

[Renew Deal]

53. Are they going to force her to punch a cop?

:shrug:

[LynnTheDem]

2. ....

:wow:

[LA lady]

3. did you read about her?

She also thinks the British sunk the Lusitania

[LynnTheDem]

4. The Brits did.

We know bush used 911 for everything she says...but I dunno about complicity. Yet.

[54anickel]

5. Yes, I read that in the article. Seems she's a Cheney basher too

Republican Candidate for Congress in New Hampshire Says Vice President Cheney is Dragging Party Down
http://www.emediawire.com/releases/2006/8/emw422236.htm

(PRWEB) August 10, 2006 -- Congressional candidate Mary Maxwell, of Concord, NH is running for the House seat in her state’s 2nd district, in the Republican primary of Sept 12th. She believes GOP prospects would rise if Pres Bush had a more popular vice president. She points out that Cheney has been named as a defendant in a suit related to 9/11 (Civil Action cv 4972 in Philadelphia PA, Oct. 22, 2004) and that there is growing concern about his lack of respect for law.

“Vice Pres Cheney is now a burden to the Republican party,” says Mary Maxwell, who is running for Congress in NH. She points to:
• The latest Gallup poll, which shows Cheney’s national disapproval rating at over fifty percent.
• The rise to best seller status of John Dean’s book Conservatives Without Conscience which paints a devastating picture of Cheney, and
• The fact that very few Republican candidates will let Cheney appear on the stump with them.

“Not only that,” she says, “but old-school Republicans, who revere the Constitution, are troubled by Cheney’s apparent motto, ‘Why bother with rule of law?’” Maxwell estimates that the House would have had the numbers to propose an impeachment of Cheney, but the session ended last week with no Democrat or Republican coming forward.

She worries that as we get closer to the November elections, the 9/11 issue will gain more prominence. “Last week,” Maxwell says, “ C-Span broadcast the panel of scholars in Chicago who insist that the Twin Towers were brought down by controlled demolition. The questions related to Cheney are: Why did he refuse to give sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission? Is it true that, beginning in May 2001, he took control of stand-downs by the Air Force?”

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[Jackpine Radical]

7. Jeez-I might vote for that woman, given the opportunity.

Like of she were running against a pro-war Dem like Ron Kind, who is over in the next CD from me.

[Virginian]

18. She broke the Reagan commandment

A Republican shall not speak ill of any other Republican.

[Generator]

51. And Reagan wasn't no Republican neither

that's what's so funny. Whatever the last 30 years of this party have been-they sure as HELL haven't been about smaller government, getting goverment out of your personal life-and the idea that the government itself is MOST to be distrusted. That's what people like Bill Maher-and many of that libertarian ilk thought the Republican party was about.
But it turned out to be a lockstep fascist control group with Christian end times built in.

[Name removed]

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[Seen the light]

6. That's.....interesting

A Republican? Two completely opposing thoughts just entered my head.

[ryanus]

8. Don't fly in any small planes

and don't get arrested. Got admire the guts of this lady.

[kaygore]

20. My reaction, too--no small planes!

[NotGivingUp]

42. Right on both counts...avoid small planes and admire her guts!

[54anickel]

9. A VT TV station picked up the story. Strange, she lived overseas for

some 25 years, only recently returned and is running for office on a GOP ticket. Things that make you go "hmmmmm?" :freak:

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=5320002&nav=4QcS

[file83]

38. She didn't happen to live in....

...Manchuria, did she?

:rofl:

[yodermon]

10. smells very funny.

well-poisoning campaign of some kind? :tinfoilhat: etc.

[katinmn]

11. Why is she wasting her brain with the GOP?

[Mabus]

12. A republican trying to make a run to the left?

Interesting.

[aquart]

26. Okay, that's funny.

[fed-up]

14. my 1st thought was she's a cross-over-turnabout is fair play :) n/t

[Canuckistanian]

15. I don't get her

She's either totally clueless about the REAL liberal/progressive views (which she seems to be in complete agreement) or she's totally ignorant of the current GOP viewpoint. And their viciousness against those who step out of line.

But then again, this is the Granite State. Hardly a place for a "true-believer" neocon.

But, still.....:wow:

[Tace]

23. Maybe She Figures A "New" Repub Could Win In Her District

Someone completely outside of the GOP since Reagan. It's a concept, especially if it's a traditionally Repub area.

[AntiFascist]

45. Maybe some still believe in a two-party system....

where both parties are free from corruption, idealistic as it may sound.

[mod mom]

56. Perhaps this us a calculated move to draw attention to the */9/11 issue

in a way she couldn't as a Dem. She is an expat so, there would be litt;e chance of her personal opinions getting out.

All I say is YOU GO GIRL! 911 is an inside job!

[Tellurian]

16. Bout time a Zell Millerite rattles their cages..n/t

[54anickel]

17. I found her campaign website...."interesting" is the only word I can come

up with. Very informative, rather tacky looking. Seems she's out to "educate" people. :shrug:
The good news link is pretty bizarre - I have good news, won't go into it here, but I'll e-mail you about it. WTF?

http://www.maxwellforcongress.com/menu

[drm604]

31. Good News Link

"The good news link is pretty bizarre - I have good news, won't go into it here, but I'll e-mail you about it. WTF?"

It's tempting to set up a Yahoo account and sign up for her mailing list, just to see what she says.

[leesa]

19. It's not often I agree with a Republican...

[billyoc]

24. Hell, I'm a republican too.

An Irish Republican. ;)

[Kailassa]

25. There's something about Mary ...

looking at her photo on her home-page,
that makes one think: "martyr".

I learned something sickening from her site.

"Then, in April 2003, the Pentagon produced CONPLAN 8022, which authorizes commanders in the field to opt for nuclear weapons if the situation calls for it. Such battlefield decisions would never allow time for Congress’s approval."


:nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke: :puke: :nuke:

[Felinity]

33. Say what?-Attn: military Watchers

"Then, in April 2003, the Pentagon produced CONPLAN 8022, which authorizes commanders in the field to opt for nuclear weapons if the situation calls for it. Such battlefield decisions would never allow time for Congress’s approval."

If this is true it deserves its own thread. Was this approved? Is it current policy or was it a proposal?

Anybody remember Dr. Strangelove?

Is Rumsfield an idiot? (please do not respond, that is rhetorical).

[Kailassa]

59. I googled CONPLAN 8022. There's a heap of information

on the net, and it's all sickening.

Here's a "small" sampling from from reports. ;-)

At the end of September 2006, the Joint Functional Component Command for Global Strike and Integration (formerly Space and Global Strike) is scheduled to achieve Full Operational Capability (FOC). That event builds on Global Strike capabilities developed over many years to provide new offensive strike options to the President against proliferators of weapons of mass destruction.

This chronology lists the most important of the developments that led to the creation of the Pentagon's newest and most offensive strike plan. Although Global Strike is primarily a non-nuclear mission, the information collected for this chronology reveal that nuclear weapons are surprisingly prominent in both the planning and command structure for Global Strike.

http://www.nukestrat.com/us/stratcom/GSchron.htm

Carlson said in an interview with the Shreveport (La.) Times. "We have the capacity to plan and execute global strikes." Carlson (Lt. Gen. Bruce Carlson, commander of the 8th Air Force) said his forces were the U.S. Strategic Command's "focal point for global strike" and could execute an attack "in half a day or less." ... In the secret world of military planning, global strike has become the term of art to describe a specific preemptive attack. When military officials refer to global strike, they stress its conventional elements. Surprisingly, however, global strike also includes a nuclear option, which runs counter to traditional U.S. notions about the defensive role of nuclear weapons.
...

The inclusion, therefore, of a nuclear weapons option in CONPLAN 8022 -- a specially configured earth-penetrating bomb to destroy deeply buried facilities, if any exist -- is particularly disconcerting. The global strike plan holds the nuclear option in reserve if intelligence suggests an "imminent" launch of an enemy nuclear strike on the United States or if there is a need to destroy hard-to-reach targets.
...

Ellis posed the following question to his audience: "If you can find that time-critical, key terrorist target or that weapons-of-mass-destruction stockpile, and you have minutes rather than hours or days to deal with it, how do you reach out and negate that threat to our nation half a world away?"

CONPLAN 8022-02 was completed in November 2003, putting in place for the first time a preemptive and offensive strike capability against Iran and North Korea. In January 2004, Ellis certified Stratcom's readiness for global strike to the defense secretary and the president.Ellis posed the following question to his audience: "If you can find that time-critical, key terrorist target or that weapons-of-mass-destruction stockpile, and you have minutes rather than hours or days to deal with it, how do you reach out and negate that threat to our nation half a world away?"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/14/AR2005051400071.html

What makes the nuclear option in CONPLAN 8022 particularly surprising is that Global Strike is one of the pillars of the Bush administration’s vision of a “New Triad” where advanced conventional weapons were supposed to permit a reduction of the number and role of nuclear
weapons. Instead, one of the first acts of the Pentagon appears to have been to include nuclear
weapons in the very plan that was supposed to reduce the nuclear role. Overall, the number of
nuclear weapons in the stockpile may be declining because there are simply too many of them.
But the nuclear option in CONPLAN 8022 suggests that the planners simultaneously have
created a new mission that reaffirms the importance and broadens the role of nuclear weapons
further by changing or lowering the perceived threshold or timing for when nuclear weapons
may be used in a conflict. That threshold must be different than in the past, otherwise why
include a nuclear option in CONPLAN 8022?

In contrast with the Bush administration’s claim to be reducing the role of nuclear weapons,
consider these remarks by JCS Chairman Gen. Richard Myers at the July 2004 retirement
ceremony of Adm. Ellis as STRATCOM commander in Omaha:

You reshaped “the roles and missions of that old command to better posture our
military forces to defeat existing and future threats against our nation 9/11]….You did this by expanding the options available to the President, both
from a strong nuclear deterrence standpoint and conventional and non-kinetic
response options.”

The “New Triad” is frequently portrayed as an alternative to the Cold War strategy of nuclear Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD). Yet CONPLAN 8022 is premised on the preservation and improvement of an assured destruction capability for nuclear weapons. The international nuclear
situation may be less “mutual” today compared with the Cold War, but “assured destruction”
very much continues to be is a key requirement for U.S. nuclear planning. In CONPLAN 8022
this assured destruction capability is intended not just in retaliation but in preemption.
Before it was exposed in public in 20057 and the Pentagon subsequently decided to cancel the
Doctrine for Joint Nuclear Operations (Joint Pub 3-12),8 the edits of the revision revealed some
of the thinking that underpins the offensive nature of CONPLAN 8022. The draft doctrine
described four conditions where preemptive use of nuclear weapons might occur:

• An adversary intending to use WMD against U.S., multinational, or allies forces or
civilian populations;

• Imminent attack from adversary biological weapons that only effects from nuclear
weapons can safely destroy;

• Attacks on adversary installations including WMD, deep, hardened bunkers containing
chemical or biological weapons or the command and control infrastructure required for
the adversary to execute a WMD attack against United States or its friends and allies;

• To demonstrate U.S. intent and capability to use nuclear weapons to deter adversary use
of WMD.

http://www.fas.org/ssp/docs/GlobalStrikeReport.pdf

DU already has it noted in Demopedia, http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/CONPLAN_8022,
and there is a small entry for it in Wikipedia.

[liberal N proud]

27. Huh? - A republican is saying something opposite the regime?

:crazy:

[onenote]

28. mary gets her moment in the sun

Without this story, I doubt that 95% of the electorate in NH would even know she exists. According to opensecrets, she's raised exactly $0 for her "campaign". Fun story, but utterly irrelevant in both the large and small scheme of things.

[mopinko]

29. she sounds great

her book "The Sociobiological Imagination." sounds really interesting. if e.o. wilson can give her a blurb for her book, i definitely can endorse her.
maybe we can get her to cross over.

[Ezlivin]

32. "9/11" and "hoax" in the title? Off to the 9/11 dungeon!

I'm surprised that this thread hasn't had its rendition to the dungeon yet.

All sorts of people are now saying what was unthinkable a few years ago: The 9/11 attacks benefited most those who allowed/planned them. And now that the FBI said that it has no hard evidence that Osama bin Laden had anything to do with the attacks.

I feel that the 9/11 story is about to blow wide open.

[Festivito]

34. GOP trying another NEW STRATEGY? Confuse the public about who outs Bush.

GOP is desperate. Fear is not working.

They have to move along to other ideas.
Also, should knowledge explode in America it gives them a sound bite that they were on it long ago and that they opposed Bush.. EXCUSE ME I'M CHOKING ON PHLEM.. yeah, they opposed Bush, those libruls let him do it.. yeah, that's the ticket.

[0007]

36. Man I hope she gets into office.

[NotGivingUp]

43. this is fabulous! i couldn't believe my eyes when i saw this.

[Raydawg1234]

46. If only some Democrats had the guts to come out and say it

[orleans]

55. the dems can't. some of us got the crap beat out of us for saying

the elections were stolen. (oooh, we were a "conspiracy theorist"! ooooh)

so if the dems started talking about 9/11 & using the word hoax in the same sentence then those same assholes that gave us shit about election fraud would haul out the freakin straight jackets.

too bad. (flush) as this country continues to go down the drain (flush) the republicans continue to get away with murder

[mod mom]

57. thats why (despite the rancor dispayed on this forum)some Green candidates

are doing the Dems a favor-bringing up the stolen election, 911, and ties to the shadow government.

[orleans]

58. yep. and challenging the vote counts. and i thank them for doing it! n/t

[Raydawg1234]

47. However, if we are going to get more investigations, it's not gonna happen

with a Republican controlled congress.

[texpatriot2004]

50. WOW! From a GOP Candidate. I am a yellow-dog Dem and I

would so vote for her.

[neuvocat]

52. Let's just say that its true.

There's no way you can keep a secret that big for long.

[robinlynne]

54. I propose she and Lieberman switch parties. It would be a fair trade.

[Kickoutthejams23]

60. The safe seats bring out the loons.

We had a challenger to a safe seat down here who claimed her opponent was a clone or robot or god knows what and the real incumbent had been dead for years. She still got 25% of the vote.