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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 12:53 PM
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US Army to Use Force to End Baghdad Violence

http://www.focus-fen.net/index.php?id=n94647

US Army to Use Force to End Baghdad Violence

Baghdad. US Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad warned that the US command is discussing the unsuccessful security plan in capital Baghdad to be replaced with extremely strict measures for curbing the terrorist attacks and violence in Baghdad and around the country, online edition of Iraqi newspaper Az Zaman informs.
According to the diplomat the US army in Iraq has already started preparing to implement the new strategy.

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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 12:55 PM
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1. OK, the Army will use violence to stop violence.
All this will do is to create more violence, round and round we go.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 12:59 PM
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2. And what does violence usually cause?
More violence

Sounds like a brilliant plan doesn't it.
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:03 PM
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5. So brilliant.
This is what happens when you don't know what you are doing.

Iraq was not suppose to fight back.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:17 PM
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15. That's Bush all right..
.. just keeps on doing what doesn't work, never has worked, and never will.
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 03:24 AM
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38. Zalmay Khalilzad = Puppet of US corporate Interests
A Real Ass Clown who has at least a hundred Black Water Mercenaries guarding his sorry ass at all times.

Nice "democracy"
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:02 PM
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3. Burn the village to save it. Good idea!
This article speaks for itself.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:02 PM
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4. Does this mean we haven't been using force?
Edited on Thu Aug-24-06 01:03 PM by MaineDem
Silly me, I thought we were fighting over there.
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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:04 PM
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6. I take this as meaning, the worst is yet to come
if that is even imaginable... :-(
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:06 PM
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7. Sounds like the "Fallujah solution" will be brought to bear
So, the wholesale destruction of Baghdad by US forces is to commence.

That should win us lots of hearts and minds.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:21 PM
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18. This makes me sad
So much death and destruction.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:24 PM
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19. Me too -- wait until the "shake and bake" operations start
Children incinerated with white phosphorus.

Those will be some happy images. And they'll be broadcast all over the Arab world.
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:06 PM
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8. We need to know.....what exactly is the difference?
The secrecy surrounding the Bush administration is ongoing and seems to envelope every aspect of every decision.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:09 PM
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9. Let's see, violence didn't work; why don't we try more violence?
The Homer Simpson School of Foreign Policy and Military Strategy.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:10 PM
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10. They will need David Copperfield's help.
Or some other qualified Illusionist.
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RufusEarl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:11 PM
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11. So do they plan on leveling Baghdad ??
Well we wanted a plan, is this the best plan they could come up with? Geeez who's the leader of this band of fools, do we have no one left with any intellect?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:14 PM
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12. It worked in Hue!
Looks like we are following that particular playbook to a tee!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:16 PM
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13. Shock and Awe, part 2 n/t
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:16 PM
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14. Well, it's been tried before.
Remember Falloujah? This has been tried before.

They will wrap Baghdad with barbed wire going all around it. Install check points at all major roads leading out. They will set up a curfew, no one is allowed to go outside after 9:00 p.m.

There will be tanks cruising the streets.....loaded guns aimed at.....everyone. People will be fuming, absolutely seething in the August heat.

Meanwhile.......the urban guerrillas will be biding their time.....They are a Captive Population now, and they are all of one mindset....

Last but not least, you have Muqtada Al Sadr running the show in Sadr City.

It's not looking good, Rumsfailed & Pace.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:19 PM
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16. More of the circular firing squad mentality from these idiots.
The natives are restless, so lets shoot some, but now they are more restless because we shot them, well in that case, let's shoot more of them, but because we shot more of them, more of them are now ever more restless. Well in that case, let's destroy their cities. Now that we have destroyed their cities, they are now shooting and blowing up our soldiers. Well, then let's carpet bomb them back to the stone age, now that we have carpet bombed them back to the stone age, they have no weapons but oddly, they are now throwing rocks at us. Perhaps we should leave, but if we leave "they" will win!!

I really wonder if they know who "they" are in the first place. Wasn't the mythical "they" the people we were suppose to liberate?

And liberate them we did. We liberated them out of their freedoms, their peace, their food, their electricity, their water, their family members...

The never ending cycle of the circular cluster fuck firing squad.

They hate us for being there, so logic would dictate, we leave. Lacking logic, moron* chooses to stay.

And the beat goes on...
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VegasWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 01:19 PM
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17. Didn't Fallujah prove that this idea is another Bush brain-deader? nt
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:24 PM
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20. BWAHHAAHAHAHAHAAAaa
'extremely strict measures' ??

how they can possibly get MORE 'strict' than they already have been i don't know.
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CollegeDUer Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:25 PM
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21. Iraqis: Oh SHIT here comes the big one
nt
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:37 PM
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22. And as we've learned so many times before...this just works SO WELL!!!
Just like since Bush's little cowardly excursion to the Green Zone and his violent clamp-down afterwards just ended all violence in the area since that time.
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Marrak Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:40 PM
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23. Didn't the U.S.
take Baghdad awhile back? How many times will we need to do this between now and Jan 20, 2009?
:puke:
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texanwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:43 PM
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24. I just checked and the city of Baghdad is 81 square miles.
Have fun guys. That is a lot of city.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 07:54 AM
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39. Hey, the "Green Zone" is only 4 square miles ...
Edited on Fri Aug-25-06 07:56 AM by Nihil
... and they still have problems there at times!

Even if they increased the Baghdad garrison by a factor of 20,
they wouldn't be able to "secure" the city ...

This is a brick wall. The blood running down your face is
due to you repeatedly running into it.

Over two thousand body-bags isn't enough for you?
Hey, go for it ... it makes for fewer imperial stormtroopers
to spread "peace & democracy" elsewhere in the world.

(Edit: The "you" isn't TexanWitch but the US Ministry of War
and Mass Destruction.)
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Briar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 03:46 PM
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25. It was the army using force which caused it. n/t
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NEOhiodemocrat Donating Member (624 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 04:50 PM
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26. my favorite 60's saying fits this perfectly
Fighting for Peace is like screwing for chasity. When are we ever going to learn?
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 04:59 PM
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27. Ok...I really thought this was gonna be from The Onion n/t
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:05 PM
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28. This is just a one paragraph article
No details of any kind. I don't understand how any of the posters on this thread felt comfortable posting an opinion on one paragraph of limited infor.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:45 PM
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29. Why didn't they think of this before?(hits head with palm of hand)
And who would have guessed that a military invasion would end up causing violence?
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:50 PM
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30. How's that using force to end violence been working so far?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:51 PM
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31. US army deployment in Baghdad marks a sectarian shift in stand
Published: 08/23/2006 12:00 AM (UAE)

US army deployment in Baghdad marks a sectarian shift in stand
By Basil Adas, Correspondent

Baghdad: The increased US military deployment here to implement the Baghdad security plan marked a shift in stand between Shiites and Sunnis.

The Shiites, who allegedly ushered in the occupation at the outset, were angry at the new development, while the Sunnis, who had wanted withdrawal of US forces, welcomed the move.

As per the plan, two US army brigades would be deployed in 'sensitive' areas around Baghdad, and some of these forces will spearhead search and arrest operations, targeting armed elements, along with the Iraqi army.

"The US army is known for its harsh dealing with Iraqis. We fear the deployment because we expect severe conduct from them," Farhoud Hussain, from Alif Dar in Baghdad's Al Jadida district, told Gulf News.

"Earlier, when the US army was deployed in areas like Nuairiya, Alif Dar, Mashtal, Ameen and Mualimin, many civilians died as a result of antagonism from US soldiers, who also used to remove street vegetable stalls, destroy everything and leave the vendors with nothing," he added.
(snip/...)

http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/06/08/23/10062033.html

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 06:41 PM
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36. Good find Judi Lynn -
Hope more DUers would read this link.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:53 PM
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32. Don't forget Faux Viewers ...
Iraq is all IRAN'S fault! :puke:
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 05:59 PM
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33. Jolly good luck you mindless saps....!!
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 06:00 PM
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34. "The Battle of Baghdad will determine the future of Iraq," -(Khalilzad )
.
.
.

AND

I found no other references to this "US Army to Use Force to End Baghdad Violence" article on google

BUT

the following is interesting on this Khalilzad guy - -

Learning from Mistakes?

/snip/

Isn't this rather late in the day? Of course it is. But the fact of the matter is the U.S. entered Iraq woefully unprepared for the reality of post-modern warfare. That leaves two options: accept defeat (and its consequences) or shake off the blows and creatively devise new ways to fight and win.

Which is the right approach? This question, and not whether liberating Iraq three years ago was a wise decision, should be what politicians of both parties now address.

Khalilzad writes: "The Battle of Baghdad will determine the future of Iraq, which will itself go a long way to determining the future of the world's most vital region."

It's hard to argue with that.

LINK

A wee bit more on this guy

"He is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signers of the January 26, 1998, PNAC Letter sent to President Bill Clinton. Khalilzad is also a former board member of Friends of Afghanistan, which received extensive U.S. funding.



MORE - - MUCH more!!

A PNACer

Who woulda thunk it??

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flaminbats Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 06:01 PM
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35. introducing the world police..
and never mind if this is happening on the other side of the planet..supporting our troops only means using them to the max!!:spank:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-24-06 07:02 PM
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37. When was this story from -March 2003?
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Khayembii Communique Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-25-06 08:04 AM
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40. We only burned the village to save it!
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