Lieberman insists he is "devoted" Democrat

[ECH1969]

Sen. Joseph Lieberman, seeking to slip out of a perceived White House embrace, insisted on Sunday he was a loyal Democrat and criticized the Bush administration's post-invasion Iraq war policy.

Lieberman, who according to a poll released last week now leads the Senate race in the Democrat-leaning state, said in an interview on CBS television that he was "devoted" to his party and would remain in its congressional caucus if elected.

"I am a Democrat. Look at my voting record - I voted 90 percent of the time with the majority of Democrats in the United States' Senate," he said.

Lieberman reiterated his call for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign due to setbacks in Iraq and said that despite his own support for overthrowing Saddam Hussein, he thinks Bush has mishandled Iraq policy after the invasion.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyID=2006-08-20T171328Z_01_N20325800_RTRUKOC_0_US-LIEBERMAN.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C5-politicsNews-2

[Moochy]

1. Then do like a good democrat should.

And withdraw you egotistical jackass.

[saigon68]

49. He loves his Daddy

[LynnTheDem]

2. Dear joe;

Thanks for your devotion. Shove it where the sun don't shine.

Love,
LTD

[Robb]

3. Quite literally true

Lieberman was de-voted, and therefore lost. ;)

[peacebird]

9. "de-voted" and therefor lost" EXCELLENT!

:rofl:

[Supersedeas]

139. and Reid should make it clear to CT voters that he will not maintain

seniority.

[coalition_unwilling]

143. Dems do not deserve to govern if they can't exercise even

this modicum of party discipline. If Reid and Senate Democratic leadership don't strip Lieberbush of committee assignments, I'll be savying Sayonara to the Dems. (Reid knows this, or at least his staff do, because I emailed him to say as much the day Lieberbush announced his Indie campaign.)

On edit: I will probably continute to visit DU, as DUers have their hearts in the right place certainly.

[mike_c]

4. too bad CT dems are not as devoted to Lieberman....

Someone needs to tell him that's how democracy works-- it's not how much he likes the party that counts, it's how much the party's voters like him. Or not.

[apnu]

128. Well, lets face it. Mighty Stupid Joe is the GOP man

And this statement cements him deeper in the GOP, IMO. Why? Because Joe and all GOP jackasses, and to quote Janeane Garofalo, everyday is opposite day.

[WannaJumpMyScooter]

5. he should be a "retired" Deomocrat then

.

[saigon68]

135. HE IS BUSH'S POODLE

[tuvor]

6. He's the poster boy for wanting to have his cake and to eat it, too.

Won't you donate generously to ease his suffering?

[valerief]

7. War is peace, baby. War is peace. n/t

[greatauntoftriplets]

8. No matter what he *insisits* he is...

he's a spoiler and should get out of the race.

Edited for typo.

[Master of Disaster]

138. Spoiler--how can that be? He is the front runner.

[Barrett808]

10. Shouldn't the party be stripping him of his various official positions? nt

[MissB]

13. I think the assumption is that they are treading lightly

in case his independent bid wins in November. They'd prefer to have him on our side rather than running to the Republicans.

Stupid not to strip him immediately, imho.

[Barrett808]

43. To me, it's an issue of party discipline

I mean, what can he be saying to the party leadership that keeps the hammer from falling?

[coalition_unwilling]

111. IMHO, Dems don't deserve to govern if they don' t move

immediately to expel Lieberbush from the party.

[Barrett808]

116. Word. n/t

[BlueJac]

11. Then pull out like you should.....

You fucking poor whiny ass loser! Good Bye Joe, go get your kiss from the King!


It made my day when Joe lost the nomination.


:rofl:

[whistle]

12. Oh, what has he done for democrats? After the 2000 election

...he smugly returned to Washington DC and did not raise even a baby finger to help Al Gore fight the recount. Joe Lieberman is a Benedict Arnold

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benedict_Arnold

[Double T]

14. Joe is ONLY devoted to his reelection..........

and with the help of his fellow rethugliCONS, he will probably win.

[dolstein]

15. He is a devoted Democrat

Let's look at the record. He's been active in the Democratic Party since the 1960s. That's, oh, a good 30-40 years longer than a lot of the people around here. He was elected to the state legislature as a Democrat. He was elected state attorney general as a Democrat. He was elected three times to the United States Senate as a Democrat. He was the Democratic Party's nominee for Vice President in 2000. He sought the party's presidential nomination in 2004. Over the years, he's helped raised millions of dollars for Democratic organizations and has campaigned around the country on behalf of Democratic candidates.

Just as important, he's voted like a Democrat in the U.S. Senate. This isn't a Zell Miller "Democrat" in name only. On votes that have split along party lines, he's sided with the majority of his caucus 90% of the time.

Of course, you wouldn't know any of these things if you only listened to the Lamont campaign, which has for months dishonestly sought to portray Lieberman as a Bush clone.

[patricia92243]

17. He lost the primary - period - the end. I don't care if were Howard Dean

(my hero) - if he lost the CT primary - GO HOME. Democracy has spoken.

[bleedingheart]

18. his biggest mistake was not listening to his constituents

and that is why he lost his primary.

Doesn't matter what he says...it is what he does.

People are fed up with the war and they have come to realize that bi-partisanship doesn't do anything but get you rolled over again and again.

He lost.

[Lerkfish]

20. blah blah blah blahbety blah malarky. He lost the primary and should

back the actual candidate like every other good democrat.

[Asgaya Dihi]

40. Horseshit

A devoted Democrat would respect the will of the voters in the Democratic primary. A devoted Democrat wouldn't reject the voice of his own party in his own state as an extreme wing of it in spite of a much *higher* than expected turnout and more representative sample of the state which was reflected in the primary. A devoted Democrat would have recognized when his personal preferences differed so widely from those who elected him and would have bowed to the preferences of his people. A devoted Democrat would have given up the Senate seat back in 2000 when he ran for VP, if he had won the *Republican* Governor would have been able to appoint a Republican Senator and so widened the disparity in the Senate. It's for the lack of that he lost the primary and personally I think the loss comes down to one single choice.

It was the choice to again cover his own ass and ignore the will of his party, the choice to run as an independent if he lost. The margin was close enough that there's a good case to be made people disappointed with that choice made the difference. He lost through suicide, loss of Democratic values and a lack of willingness to actually stand for anything where he had a chance to lose.

[Tansy_Gold]

42. But what about the other 10% of the time?

Look, I'm in Arizona, so I don't have a horse in this particular race, but I think it's important to keep in mind on what issues Lieberman voted Dem and on which ones he voted with the BUSH REPUBLICANS.

It's especially galling to me that Lieberman, one of the first victims of the BUSH REPUBLICAN takeover of our government, so readily knuckled under to them. Of course, he had also just been safely returned to the Senate, so he didn't really care very much if he lost the VP post. At least he still had a job, a paycheck, a safe retirement package, good health care, and so on.

So when you look at what he did regarding the 2000 election, and then what he's done since then in terms of supporting the BUSH REPUBLICAN administration, other matters don't mean as much as they might have under other circumstances.

It's also the fact that his loyalty as a loyal Democrat over the last 30 or 40 years seems to have meant nothing to him when it came to saving his own political ass. The voters in that party that he's such a loyal member of rejected him. They, more than the likes of us here on DU, made their choice within their party, the party that Joe Lieberman claims to be so loyal to. What's he loyal to, a party name or to the people who make up that party?

If Lieberman really holds any loyalty to the party, he should immediately withdraw his independent bid; throw his support to Lamont; denounce the support he's received from the BUSH REPUBLICANS; and find a nice "issue" to lobby for after he's out of office. It's not like the man needs the job (and yes, I know Lamont doesn't either); he could be a very effective voice out of office much as Al Gore has done.

No one can rest on their laurels, not Bill Clinton, not Al Gore, not Joe Lieberman. Regardless what he's done over the past three or four decades, he has to run on the current issues, and the #1 issue is the ghastly debacle that is the war in/on Iraq. Had Lieberman run on his record and admitted he had made a mistake on Iraq or that it had become a disaster unlike anything he had anticipated, etc., etc., etc., he might have won the nomination. But that single disaster, which continues to grow and spread its deadly poison everywhere, is the issue that he took one stand on and Lamont took another. And it was on that important issue that the voters took their stand.

Lieberman was a loyal Democrat until he said, "Who cares what you Democratic voters think?"

Tansy Gold

[Deja Q]

56. Ralph Nader used to be a guy on the side of consumers and justice too.

Especially in the 60s and 70s.

[sidpleasant]

59. Joe "voted like a Democrat in the U.S. Senate"

Oh, right. Like when he voted to cut off debate on the bankruptcy bill that screwed his constituents who had fallen into financial problems. Or when he voted to cut off debate on the horrid Alito. Or when he stood with every Republican Senator to denounce the Democratic resolution calling for a date for withdrawing from Iraq (the GOP Senate leadership gave up some of their own floor time so Joe could side with them, and he went first before any Republican!).

That "votes with the caucus 90%" figure is bullshit since it ignores the procedural votes that are frequently much more important than the actual floor votes.

Would a "real Democrat" have written a op ed in the Wall Street Journal warning Democrats not to criticize George Bush? Would a "real Democrat" repeatedly go on Fox News and attack his own party? Would a "real Democrat" team up with heinous right wing GOP idiots to found a group to silence liberal college professors? Joe did all of those things, and more.

I don't give a rat's ass about Joe's history. What he did in the South four decades ago doesn't qualify him to be in the Senate today. Fighting to end the Iraq war and the Bush administration's creeping authoritarianism is too important to permit a guy who acts as an apologist for both of those catastrophes to remain in the Senate.

[iamjoy]

121. Lots of Democrats Voted For That Bankruptcy Bill

so we can't fairly single out Joe Lieberman.

It would only fair to single out Lieberman as not being a devoted Democrat if he were ever the ONLY Democrat voting a certain way, or if he voted against the party more than any other Democrat.

However, running as an Independent after losing the party nomination - THAT we can single him out for not being a devoted Democrat. A devoted Democrat would swallow his (or her) pride and support the party nominee. He would then become an elder statesman within the party who could work to change what he didn't like from within the party.

[sidpleasant]

123. And they were all wrong for supporting it too

Voting for the bankruptcy bill is just one of many many reasons to vote against Joe. Just because a bunch of other stupid Dems voted to ream their constituents doesn't make it OK that Joe did so also.

[RCinBrooklyn]

63. Let's welcome the de facto Republican supporters to the Boards. n/t

[Zhade]

64. You are lying about the Lamont campaign and advocating for lieberman.

Your post is against the rules.

[mac56]

94. Actions speak louder than words.

Sit down, Joe, you're rockin' the boat.

[TankLV]

103. No - we've been paying CLOSE attention to EVERYTHING he has said and done.

ESPECIALLY IN THE PAST 6 YEARS, as opposed to you, who aparently has his head firmly implanted in his own butt...

LIEberman has CRITICIZED Clinton - gleefully - aiding and abetting the rpukes.

LIEberman has REFUSED TO CRITICIZE this WAR CRIMINAL misadministration for ILLEGALLY LYING US INTO A WAR OF CHOICE, and is in fact a big SUPPORTER of this CRIMINAL misadministration.

LIEberman has CRITICIZED DEMOCRATS who "dared" to criticize this WAR CRIMINAL Administration.

All of these actions has UNDERMINED the Democrats and STRENGTHENED the REPUKES.

LIEberman has LOST the Democratic Primary, he has been DEMOCRATICALLY voted out by Connecticuts Democratic Voters, and is now RUNNING AGAINST THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY'S nominee - NOT as a Democrat - and is NO LONGER A DEMOCRAT!

And, last but not least, he has literally KISSED the WAR CRIMINAL bush*.

So don't feed us your typical, and like clockwork bullshit about this repuke wanna be.

We haven't bought it all the past hundred times you've brought it up, and we don't buy it now.

This site - DU - OFFICIALLY SUPPORTS THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEES - so you're post is against the rules for supporting this TRAITOR to the Democratic Party.

[Exiled in America]

113. BZZZT. Wrong.

You can't be a "devoted democrat" and refuse to accept the results of a primary election where DEMOCRATS CHOSE SOMEONE ELSE.

A devoted democrat would accept the will of the Democrats of CT, endorsed the Democrats CHOICE for candidate, and worked to elect Lamont as his successor in the Senate. That would have been something someone devoted to the party would do.

What Joe has shown is that there's nothing Joe cares about - even what's best for the party - more than Joe himself.

Nothing you can possibly say can change the facts of TODAY, and nothing Joe's done in the past changes the fact that today, he has no business continuing to call himself a "devoted" democrat while at the same time refusing to get behind and support the party nominee in CT even after the DEMOCRATS of that state spoke and made their choice clear.

[illumn8d]

120. The record doesn't matter until you see the last item

which says: lost the Democratic primary. If he was a devoted Democrat, he wouldn't still be running.

[Patchuli]

125. And he's voted with the rethugs more often than not

of late.

He lost. He is not the official candidate. It's time to do the right thing and step down, Joe! If he cares for his party, he would.

[Ken Burch]

131. What part of

"If you lose the Democratic primary and then run AGAINST the Democratic candidate, you stop BEING a Democrat" do you not understand, dolstein?

[krispos42]

133. apparently, ALL OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

[w4rma]

134. Lieberman - not backing Dem candidates for House in CT

"Non-Combatant" Lieberman Won't Back Democratic Candidates
by Melinda Tuhus | August 25, 2006 06:15 PM

Declaring himself a "non-combatant," U.S. Sen. Joe Lieberman, in remarks at a New Haven press event Friday, raised anew the question of whether his "independent" candidacy will help Republicans hold onto three Congressional seats in Connecticut -- and control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

Lieberman -- who after losing an Aug. 8 Democratic primary to Ned Lamont has launched a third-party bid to hold onto his seat in the Nov. 7 general election -- was asked whether he still endorses Diane Farrell, Joe Courtney and Chris Murphy, three Democrats looking to unseat endangered Republican incumbents Chris Shays, Rob Simmons and Nancy Johnson.

“I’m a non-combatant,” Lieberman declared. “I am not going to be involved in other campaigns. I think it’s better if I just focus on my own race.”

Lieberman made the remarks at a Friday morning photo op held in the rain under an I-95 overpass in the Fair Haven neighborhood to tout his role in bringing $50 million to the state to help ease transportation gridlock.

“It’s a little awkward for me now” to endorse the Democratic candidates in the general election, he said, “since they all endorsed my opponent,” Democratic primary winner Ned Lamont.
…
http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2006/08/noncombatant_jo.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2798632

I agree that we should look at LIE's record.

[The Gunslinger]

136. Hes a great democrat alright........

THats why he's supported by the Rupublic Party. Whoever votes for Lieberman in Connectut is walking lockstep with the Rebublicans.

Also if he is in the "Democratic" Party and looses a primary The "Democratic" thing to do would be to listen to the will of the people step down and support Lamont.

Lieberman created his own party to circumvent loosing a primary, therefore he is a member of the party he created, not a Democrat.

[Zynx]

137. He has sided with Bush time and time again on foreign policy and not

only that but has criticized anyone who questions Bush's credbility. That is a shocking thing for even a Republican to say to the Democrats, much less someone in our own party. He sided with a fringe on the Terri Schiavo incident and has also supported the privatization of Social Security. Oh, and he voted for that abortion of an "energy bill".

[depakid]

141. Look at the record

Instead of bleating out intentionally misleading statistics.

Deregulation of the financial industry-

Bankuptcy bill-

Denying emergency contraception to rape victims-

Support for right wing fiscal "policies"

Alito & Roberts-

This is just a quick off the top of the head list. Given a little time- I could show you a dozen more IMPORTANT examples of KEY far right votes and positions- not bullshit votes on this or that amendment or parlamentary procedure.

[Human Torch]

16. Joe's devoted to a lot of things. He's a devoted guy. Good kisser too.

[mnhtnbb]

22. Great middle pic! Look at Hillary, waiting her turn for a Bush kiss!

[rodeodance]

26. Hil is not stupid.

[Orrin_73]

19. and Santa Claus does really exist

[w13rd0]

21. Lieberman stood on stage...

...during the Presidential Primaries and tried to embarrass other candidates by asking them to "pledge not to run as an Independent and support the nominee" were they to lose the primary. Of course, with the tables turned, the true Joe Lieberman surfaces. A man more than willing to pander to the GOP while simultaneously speaking out the other side of his mouth, displaying a degree of hypocrisy so blatant as to be laughable.

[femmedem]

104. Do you have any links to this?

I'm compiling a list of Joe's hypocrosies for my next LTTE, and I'd love a source for this.

[bowens43]

23. Let's hope so becuase he's probably going to win.

[pazuzu]

28. He'll continue to support the Rethug Authoritarians in the Senate

if he slithers back in for a fourth friggin term.

[sendero]

24. Lieberman..

... want's us to ignore reality and he wants to have it both ways.

He's now campaigning like a Republican, clearly with Republican help. He looks like a Republican, he talks like a Republican, he is a fucking Republican.

God I hope Lamont sends this douchebag traitor home!

[screenplaya]

25. Lieberman is a Zell Miller Democrat n/t

[havocmom]

27. Joe is acting like a jilted lover turned stalker

If I can't have her {the Senate seat he feels so entitled to}, no one else will. I LOVE her {the power and attention}. She'll come around and see that....{Or I will throw acid on her face and spoil her}

[pazuzu]

29. He clearly has serious issues with rejection

The man needs to seek some help.

[liberalhistorian]

30. Lord Lieberman of Nutmegshire

believes that he's entitled to that senate seat for life; it's more of an issue with arrogance and egotism than rejection, since he doesn't appear to give a damn what voters say.

[sidpleasant]

100. This just in: Lord Lieberman to demand his droit de seigneur too

Since Joe thinks he's a life peer now, he's going to insist on all the privileges of nobility.

[tinrobot]

31. Then give back the GOP money, traitor

Loyal Democrats don't take money from Karl Rove.

[liberalhistorian]

32. Yeah, and Bush is "devoted" to

being a smart, hard-working, diplomatic president. And Santorum is "devoted" to diversity and tolerance for ALL of his contituents. And Cheney is "devoted" to ensuring peace in Iraq so that the war will not spread any further and his imperialistic ambitions won't be fulfilled. :eyes: :puke:

[Vinca]

33. Devoted Democrats don't ignore the wishes of the Democratic

voters. Lieberman may win, but it will be thanks to the Republicans. I'm reminded of a phrase from my childhood and it describes Joe perfectly: RAT FINK.

[BushOut06]

34. Two-faced Joe

That's not what you were saying when you were on Hannity's show kissing his ass, you traitor schmuck.

[Cha]

35. You lost dino!

The first three letters of your last name don't spell L-i-e for nothing. You've been lyin' about Iraq and you're lyin' now!

No wonder the bush republiCONs want you and it looks like you want them..

[alarimer]

36. He is not the fucking nominee of the Democratic party

so how can he remain a Democrat if he is reelected?

I thought you were independent, Joe.

[dolstein]

41. Neither was Jim Jeffords

You don't seem to have any problem with him being a member of the caucus.

[Tuttle]

46. Jim didn't bailout after losing a primary the way Zell did

Zellieberman has done a great diservice to the voters of CT and to the country...

Question: are you from CT? If so, do you plan to vote for the Dem in November?

Tut-tut

[Tarheel_Dem]

102. No offense Dolstein.....

but I'm darned if I can figure out why you're still allowed to advocate for a 3rd party, since the primaries are clearly over, and your candidate lost? Maybe the Mods could make a ruling here?
:wtf:

[silverweb]

37. Hahahahahahaha!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

*gasp*



*breathe*

That's a good one, Joe! Tell us another!

[RDANGELO]

38. We don't need any Neocon Democrats. n/t

[lanlady]

39. Then he ought to do the honorable thing

Withdraw, Joe, and go campaign for Ned Lamont, who won fair and square. If Lamont does not do well in the Senate, challenge him in 6 years.

[MzNov]

44. A good and honest Democrat would have

immediately congratulated Ned Lamont and offered his full support, to band together to defeat the NeoCons in November. Wrong.

This guy Lieberman is the sorest loser I've ever seen, and he's a republican whore.

:dem:

[robcon]

47. That's not always true.

Mario Cuomo, when he lost the Democratic Party primary for NYC mayor to Ed Koch in 1977, ran against Koch on a made-up party label. Cuomo came in a close second to Koch.

All was forgiven, and Cuomo ran for and won the Democratic nomination for NY governor in 1982 and was elected and re-elected several times.

[mac56]

96. Times have changed since then.

Much, much more is at stake here.

[lumpy]

45. Devoted Democrat

Yeah, devoted to Geo.W.Bush

[Zorra]

48. Joe does not get this, but he is a crazy radical RW extremist.

He is still supporting the insane republican fiscal policy of spend, spend, spend, and the fascist policy of kill, kill, kill and maim, destroy, pollute - all for no explainable reason on earth.

It is time for every fool that supported, and continues to support, this unjustifiable war and occupation based on greed, lies, and deceptions to admit they were wrong, help get us out of Iraq, and cut our losses and Iraqi losses before any more people die and any more of our money is borrowed and spent.

This war and occupation is an unprecedented national and worldwide disaster. It is a giant black hole where we are needlessly throwing the dead bodies, amputated limbs, and blown minds of our troops, not to mention our national and economic security and the national and economic security of every generation of Americans in the future.

The situation in Iraq will never even begin to resolve itself until long after we pull out of there.

Everyone that supports continuing this war and occupation, is a crazy fucking radical RW extremist.

They may pretend to be otherwise, but they are either deceiving themselves and/or deliberately attempting to deceive the rest of us.

[cali]

50. What overblown rhetoric.

First off, Lieberman is not a rightwing extremist. He's a generally liberal to moderate Senator, except for the war, an issue I disagree with on with every fiber in my being. I think it's enough of a reason to vote him out of office, but it doesn't make him a crazy, radical right wing extremist. That's just a lie.

"This war and occupation is an unprecedented national and worldwide disaster."

No it's not. It's awful, it's tragic, but it's hardly unprecedented.

[Zorra]

51. I disagree with you, and I think Jimmy Carter would disagree with

you also.

The US engaging in a war as an aggressor nation is certainly an unprecedented national and worldwide disaster.

"I'm determined that the United States will remain the strongest of all nations, but our power will never be used to initiate a threat to the security of any nation or to the rights of any human being. We seek to be and to remain secure--a nation at peace in a stable world. But to be secure we must face the world as it is." President Jimmy Carter, 1980

And I stand by my assertion that anyone that supports the war and occupation of Iraq is a radical RW extremist.

[Name removed]

60. Deleted message

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[dweller]

65. the 'foaming at the mouth'

was obviously the constituents in his home state.

DU is just above the curve on the issue. Joe is just the has-been that has not caught up to the fact.
dp

[coalition_unwilling]

112. More accurately, a radical RW "imperialist," as even Lamont

supports a limited American imperialism (a la Afghanistan) and fully supported Israel's recent imperialist excursion into Lebanon.

[AX10]

52. A devoted Democrat does NOT tell his party to shut up and...

do as the pResident says.

[deacon]

53. Huh? then why did he backstab the party? He is unstable. n/t

[w4rma]

54. Actions speak louder than words. (nt)

[Deja Q]

55. Holy cow. He really puts the "LIE" in Lieberman, doesn't he?

[Joe Bacon]

57. Listen, LIEberman, You've been KISSED OFF

You Lost.

GET OVER IT.

[DemoTex]

58. (D minor cord on pipe organ) "HYMN .. HYMN.."

"FUCK HYMN!"

(Old Viet Nam boonie-rat Sunday service)

[Straight Shooter]

61. He misspoke. The correct term is "demoted." n/t

[Zhade]

62. You have to BE a Democrat to be a devoted one.

lieberman's not, having ditched the party.

Fuck him.

[kentuck]

66. It's obvious to me that he is desperately attempting to hang on...

to those voters that voted with him in the primary. If he loses any of those, the Republican votes may not put him over the top. So, he has decided to appeal to his "Democratic" base. That is vital to any victory for him in November. If they desert him, he is history.

[tom_paine]

67. Yeah, devoted to delivering the info from Dem councils straight to Bush

Bushevik Mole, very possibly. They are SOOOOO desperate that Lieberman be kept in place.

[ingac70]

68. Lieberman says Rumsfeld Should Quit

WASHINGTON - Sen. Joe Lieberman, attacked by fellow Democrats as being too close to the White House on the Iraq War, on Sunday called on Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld to resign but said the United States cannot "walk away" from the Iraqis.


Lieberman, the one-time Democratic vice presidential candidate, is running as an independent in his bid for a fourth term since losing the Democratic nomination to newcomer Ned Lamont, who harnessed voters' anger against the war in Iraq.

Lieberman, an early supporter of the Iraq war, said he had called for Rumsfeld to step down in 2003.

"With all respect to Don Rumsfeld, who has done a grueling job for six years, we would benefit from new leadership to work with our military in Iraq," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation."

Lieberman said the Bush administration should have sent more troops into Iraq "to secure the country."

"We had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after," he said.

Lieberman said the administration must "put severe pressure on the Iraqis to contain sectarian violence."

"There is still hope in Iraq and as long as there is we cannot just pick up and walk away and leave them to the sure disaster that would follow and would compromise our security in the war on terrorism," he said.

The Lamont campaign issued a statement Sunday criticizing Lieberman for trying to "paint himself as courageous for clinging to the failed 'stay the course' policy in Iraq and not listening to the voters of Connecticut on the need to change course."


http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20060820/ap_on_re_us/connecticut_senate_lieberman_1









Lieberman is gonna lose his GOP funding if he keeps this up!!!

:kick:

[Webster Green]

69. Lieberman should quit!

What an idiot!

Bush will admit the Iraq war is a mistake before Lieberman does.

[Tin Man]

70. Lieberman's exit strategy - we'll leave Iraq when all hope is gone

"There is still hope in Iraq and as long as there is we cannot just pick up and walk away..."

Thanks Joe, you freakin moron. You've proposed an interesting metric for quitting Iraq... tell me, how do you propose we go about measuring 'hope', anyhow? What condition might exemplify the absense of hope for US involvement in Iraq - a civil war, perhaps?

[ShockediSay]

88. "when we've done everything we possibly can" he said this morning

22 THOUSAND US SOLDIERS DEAD AND WOUNDED

how much more does he want?

anyway, he has rights of citizenship in Israel

isn't that a conflict of some sort?????????

[Tansy_Gold]

97. I could be wrong, but

I believe every Jew has rights of citizenship in Israel. Are you implying that no Jew should be allowed to run for elective office in the U.S. because of conflicts of interest?

Would that also include those who have been born in another country but became naturalized citizen of this one? Or whose parents may have come from another country, say as refugees from an oppressive government in a country hostile to the U.S.?

Say it ain't so.

Judge people by their actions or their words, but not by accidents of birth that they can't change.


Tansy Gold, who could be accused of having a whole lot of conflicts of interest

[ShockediSay]

119. I could be wrong but

for those who wish to become a naturalized citizens,
they can renounce citizenship in one country as a
matter of record.

Divided loyalties is the stuff of conflict of interest.
Does America come first, or is one's loyalties divided,
if not entirely in question?

Who would want someone with rights of citizenship in
ANY other nation having a crucial voice in whether
we go to war or not? In whether we start a nuclear
conflagration?

I personally have some serious doubts also, about Kissinger's
decision (if not his loyalties) to give Israel all the weaponry
we could in the Yom Kippur war when Golda Meir's government reportedly
threatened to "go nuclear" after Israel was losing.

see "The Last Nuclear Moment," NYTimes, Oct 6, 2003
also http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB98/index.htm

I think the question of foreign subversives within our government is
as legitimate as it requires serious scrutiny. The most recent question
of espionage activity within AIPAC is the most recent example, and one
in which our justice system will determine, one way or another. At the
very least, I think the members of AIPAC should be registered as agents
of a foreign government.

[TheCowsCameHome]

71. Actually, both should quit.

[Eric J in MN]

72. Liberman says the right things before an election, then...

...returns to serving Bush.

[Nay]

73. No, Joe. YOU and your REpub buddies had the "naive vision" of

the Iraqui War going along like a flower-strewn parade. The rest of us knew it was going to be a quagmire.

[jobycom]

74. Good. If that makes Rumsfield quit, I'll buy Joe a drink.

Once he's unemployed, he should be able to fit a drink into his schedule.

[Bryan]

75. I really love this

Here Lieberman is, trying to position himself as the moderate pariah, but he's still feinting in the direction of people who are angry at the quagmire, as if there's a huge bloc that thinks Iraq was a mistake but that half-measures like replacing Rumsfeld will help ameliorate it. Flailing like this doesn't help sell the idea of Lieb as a magnetic Reaganesque figure who can pull in disgruntled Dems.

[Dover]

76. He wants Rummy's job

Read that somewhere. Don't know if it's true or rumor.

[Captain Hilts]

77. Lieb's shamelessly campaigning for Rummy's job. nt

[bahrbearian]

78. He just wants Rummys Job in case he can't keep his Senate seat

[stepnw1f]

79. ...and Joe Doesn't Know When to Quit

Lieberman Projects Like a Republican Too

[walkon]

80. Imagine that.

Joe Lieberman giving out advice on when to quit. Ole Joe in 2000 - Quit counting the votes. Ole Joe in 2006 - Loses Democratic primary - I will never quit.

"We had a naive vision that the Iraqis were going to embrace us and then go on and live happily ever after," he said.

I do not believe anyone responsible for military action in Iraq really was that naive. It's just another self-serving LIE.

That alone is reason enough to send him packing. And, frankly, quite a few other Democrats along with him. New faces and approaches badly needed in D.C.

[rocktivity]

81. Rocknation says Lieberman should quit!

:evilgrin:
rocknation

[MadMaddie]

91. I agree with rocknation!!!

Bye bye Joe!!!

[pazuzu]

82. One day he parrots Fox News, the next he parrots Hillary Clinton

Bush would call that sending "mexed messages"!

[pazuzu]

84. What did Albert Gore, Jr. ever see in this man?

n/t

[Xipe Totec]

83. You should lead by example, Joe... n/t

[meisje]

85. Rove trick, Rummy is going to leave anyway and Lieb will get the credit

[Patchuli]

126. Rummy's leaving? Yayyyyyyy! nt

[Skip Intro]

86. He's so full of shit.

What repuke-like posturing.

Why were we right to go into Iraq, Joe? Answer that, will ya? Has it been worth all the lives lost and damaged, the damage to our resources, the damage to our name, and to our integrity, whatever of either we had?

And now we should stay until we realize there is absolutely no hope? Are you saying to the men and women and children who will kill or be killed between now and the time you deem all hope lost, and are you saying to their families, that "we're not really hopeful, but just go kill and be killed until we deem the situation completely hopeless?" Maybe us being there is the goddamn problem, you moron.

God, this guy has gone from dislikable to intolerable. I hope the Lamont campaign intensifies the bush=lieberman meme. It works, because its so damn true.

[saigon68]

108. Like this

[Monkeyman]

87. He loses he get Rummy's job

[RCinBrooklyn]

89. Joe should focus on what ought to do. He's a turncoat scumbag. n/t

[Beausoir]

90. "Done a grueling job"???

Rumsfeld is an incompetent dottering fool.

Fuck Lieberman. What a liar.

[maxrandb]

92. I'm confused Joe

are you "devoted" to the Democratic Party that you claim "has lost touch with reality"?

are you "devoted" to the Democratic Party that you claim "wants to cut, run and surrender"? Hmmmm, where have I heard that before?

are you "devoted" to the Democratic Party that your "good friend" Sean Hannity accuses of treason?

are you "devoted" to the Democratic Party that wants to "undermine the pretzledent"?

are you "devoted" to the Democratic Party that the wing-nuts (including your good friend Sean Hannity) call the "George Soros, Michael Moore, extreme leftist, French-surrender monkeys, communist, anti-semitic, Nazi, socialist's, communist, terrorist enablers"?

There are certain things Joe that are not "forgiveable".

Screw you Joe. You had your chance. We want a Democrat that would go on the Sean Insanity Show and sucker punch him in the throat...not GIVE HIM A HUG. That's all we needed you to do Joe. But instead, you felt you needed to be "understanding, and compassionate" to a prick who has done more harm to our political landscape than Saddam, or Kruschev could ever have dreamed of.

We don't want someone to "coddle" Sean Insanity. We want someone to kick his teeth in.

Bah-bye Joe. Don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you.

[missTheBigDog]

95. maxrandb, I agree with you...

...100% of Sean Insanity. I can't listen to more than 2 minutes of that jackass without my blood pressure boiling and I get the urge to strangle him through the radio. For the sake of my health, I avoid it.

The problem is, here in Atlanta, they took away Air America and I can no longer listen to Randi Rhodes on my drive home. What a freakin' injustice.

[missTheBigDog]

93. Thanks, Joe

I heard the VP job will be available after November. Then you can be even closer to your butt buddy.

[derby378]

98. derby's response to Joe:

"Eat me, you trend puppy!"

:mad:

[ckramer]

99. STFU!

Go to Hell, Joe!

[warrens]

101. You're married to Cheney and Bush, Joe

Cheney really fucked up when he criticized Lamont and dem voters. We have the right to vote for whom we want representing us, and Conn. dems decided a Vichy Dem was not their choice.

You thought you got political advantage by backing the war, Schaivo, etc. Now you pay the price. That vote was not particularly about the war; it was about sucking Bush's dick. If you keep bashing Democrats, don't expect to win.

I still think he is going to be forced to drop out, probably sometime in Sept.

[depakid]

105. "Look at my voting record"

I think that's what people in Connecticut did- and you came up woefully short.

Lieberman can spout off the 90% non-sense all he wants- but time after time on key votes- he's sided with the far right- and people know that,

[damntexdem]

106. Devoted to the destruction of all that is decent in the Democratic Party.

It's better when our enemies correctly label themselves.

[goforit]

107. Once a jackass always a jackass doesn't fly, Joe!

[KingFlorez]

109. Of course he is

If he wasn't, he would have switched before. If he's reelected, he'll most likely caucus with the Democrats, so any assumption he's not a devoted Democrat is nonsense.

[Ken Burch]

132. What part of

"If you lose the Democratic primary and then go on to run AGAINST the Democratic candidate you stop BEING a Democrat" do YOU not understand, O mighty King?

[coalition_unwilling]

110. I emailed Harry Reid last week, asking him to strip

Lieberbush of all committee assignments and seniority. Told Reid I would no longer vote Dem if he and the Democratic Caucus in the Senate did not move immediately to expel Lieberbush from the party. No response yet.

[saigon68]

114. AND YOU WON'T GET A RESPONSE

And they won't get rid of the little Whiner either.

[Rex]

115. Lie

The actual numbers are 78% of the time and it doesn't really matter. Joe Judas is the biggest traitor since Bob Novak. Hey Joe...

...where you goin with that gun in your hand?

[Deja Q]

117. The Martians in 'Mars Attacks!' claimed to be our friends too.

Oops.

[Miss Chybil]

118. I hope he lands right on that fence he's trying to straddle.

Him and McCain. I've never seen politicians talk so BLATANTLY out of both sides of their mouths. They used to, at least, try to hide it!

[minnesota_liberal]

122. Joe is devoted to Joe.

His recent votes on issues that count, his unwillingness to stand up when it matters, his lapdog comments about others undermining the president's credibility, his illogical arguments for staying in the race, even the name of his phony indy party ("Connecticut for Lieberman") all illustrate that Joe is hopelessly devoted to Joe.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

124. devoted and kissing glenn beck's smarmy ass

explain that one, holy joe!

[saigon68]

127. He's not kissing Beck's pimply ass he's LICKING IT.

Beck (Huge hateful right winger.)

Ass Clown

[samsingh]

129. weird way of showing it

[Hepburn]

130. Oh, pleeeeeeeeeze.......

....make me hurl, Joe!



:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[opihimoimoi]

140. The OLD JOE voted DEM... The NEW JOE Rides with the GOP GANG

Kisses Bush and he tells us he is a DEM?

Joe SUCKKKKS ASSSSS

[IronLionZion]

142. Then support the Democratic candidate

If Joe would have accepted the election results and finished out his term and left like a man, then I would have honored him for his lifetime achievements as a good Democrat and a good person.

But he didn't do that. He is actively working against the Democratic candidate and still supporting an immoral war just like Zell Miller did so all bets are off.