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Omaha Steve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:33 PM
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Rockets Hit Lebanon Despite Cease-Fire

Full story: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20060815/D8JGJS380.html

Rockets Hit Lebanon Despite Cease-Fire
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Aug 14, 11:22 PM (ET)

By STEVEN R. HURST

BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - Tens of thousands of Lebanese jammed bomb-cratered roads Monday as they returned to still-smoldering scenes of destruction after a tenuous cease-fire ended 34 days of vicious combat between Israel and Hezbollah.

Highlighting the fragility of the peace, Hezbollah guerrillas fired at least 10 Katyusha rockets that landed in southern Lebanon early Tuesday, the Israeli army said, adding that nobody was injured. The army said that none of the rockets, which were fired over a two-hour period, had crossed the border and so it had not responded.

Lines of cars - some loaded with mattresses and luggage - snaked slowly around huge holes in the roads and ruined bridges. Many Lebanese expressed shock at finding houses and villages flattened in more than a month of Israeli air and artillery strikes.


Lebanese citizens carrying their belongings walk through a crater between the rubble at a road between the Lebanese and the Syrian checkpoints, at the Masnaa crossing, in the eastern Bekaa Valley, Lebanon, Monday, Aug. 14, 2006, as they return to Lebanon after the U.N. cease-fire went into effect. A U.N. cease-fire went into effect at 8 a.m. (0500GMT) Monday, after a night of heavy airstrikes on Lebanon and 34 days of fighting that took more than 900 lives on both sides. (AP Photo/Samer Husseini)


Hezbollah fighters hugged each other and celebratory gunfire and fireworks erupted in Beirut as the Islamic militant group's leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah claimed a "strategic, historic victory."


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:36 PM
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1. Well, if they haven't the range to get over the border, that's good
It suggests they've been cleared out of their launch areas and have been forced back to the central part of the country.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:47 PM
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2. Or, they are being fired at Israeli soldiers still in Lebanon
Probably harassment fire.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 11:54 PM
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3. That's also likely.
Of course, they risk blowing up returnees, so it ain't the smartest move on their part. But they aren't the brightest bulbs, I don't think, anyway. Without the Revolutionary Guard giving them guidance, they'd have been out of this weeks ago. And likely the RG took a powder the minute the UN vote went down, so they're on their own, operationally speaking, for now.
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:15 AM
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4. roman candles - & about as much damage nt
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:37 AM
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5. Well, they set half of northern Israel ablaze
They could do the same to the Lebanon, if they hit the right grove with dry branches. And if they could trade their weapons for better ones, don't think they wouldn't do it.

Those guys are NOT nice people. They're not freedom fighters. They don't have the interests of the Lebanese at heart. They are servants of the Ayatullahs in Iran.

I've no sympathy for them, I think they are bums.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:33 AM
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7. "set half of northern Israel ablaze"
Really? Please do provide any credible evidence that Hezbollah rockets did this sort of damage.

The rocket attacks have been reported only by the IDF. The rocket attacks are not violating Israeli sovereignty and are most likely aimed at IDF targets. Both the IDF and Hezbollah will continue to fight each other until the IDF withdraws from the sovereign state of Lebanon and the peace keeping force is in place on the border.
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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:49 AM
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9. I didn't hear anything like that, either.
?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:39 PM
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49. See post 48. It was reported. NT
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:29 AM
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10. Here's a link to a NYT
article. The fires caused by rockets fired by H'zbollah have been widely reported, though the claim that half of Northern Israel has been set afire, is an exaggeration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/08/world/middleeast/08fires.html
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:45 AM
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12. rockets
An Israeli police officer looks at the crater after a Katyusha-style rocket fired by Hezbollah from southern Lebanon slammed into the northern Israeli town of Kiryat Shmona, July 2006. Cooped up inside bomb shelters for almost a month, residents of Israel's hard-hit northern town of Kiryat Shmona are at wits' end and wishing for the war to end, but only if Hezbollah is defeated.(AFP/File/Denis Sinyakov)


# An Israeli policemen lifts a Katyusha rocket fired from southern Lebanon at a residential building in the northern coastal Israeli town of Nahariya, July 14. Rockets have hit near the Israeli city of Beit Shean, some 60 kilometres (37 miles) from the Lebanese border, the deepest strike into Israel since the start of the offensive on Hezbollah 22 days ago, public radio said.(AFP/File/Gali Tibbon)
AFP/File - Aug 02 3:58 AM


An Israeli police sapper reaches his hand into a crater in the ground to pull out a Katyusha-style rocket after it was fired from south Lebanon toward the northern Israeli costal town of Nahariya. Israeli troops were holding positions in southern Lebanon after tanks punched across the border in a new ground incursion against Hezbollah amid mounting concern over the plight of civilians.(AFP/Gali Tibbon)
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:24 AM
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16. No one is doubting that there were rockets...
only the statement that they "set half of northern Israel ablaze." Overexaggeration.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:19 PM
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32. that's why I posted the pics..to remind people how little they were
I don't doubt that once hitting something, they might start fires, but not setting half of Israel on fire ...:hi:
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:43 PM
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37. Ok good...
I was hoping that was the case. :hi:
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:09 PM
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43. OK, they exaggerated...
like when everyone was saying how many Lebanese civilians were 'murdered' by the 'war-criminal' Israelis...when, if someone had done some math, the number of Hezbollah fighters was never subtracted from the number of Lebanese dead. Thus, it was an exaggerated number of civilians, presuming that the Israelis did make a mistake and manage to kill 'just a few' Hezbollah during their 'bloodthirsty quest' to kill civilians. According to so many, the Hezbollah have a right to defend themselves, as they shoot rockets into civilian portions of Israel. Since, all of Israel is a legitimate target for them, then it was all OK.

And no, this is not 'flame-bait', this is an ANSWER to those who nit-pick the language of those who were of the legitimate opinion htat Israel was defending herself as a sovereign, democratic state. This thread was debating the statement that half of northern Israel was set on fire. Now sensible people know what this poster meant. But in a 'lawyerly fashion', the notion that these rockets were dangerous was negated. Two can play that game...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:49 PM
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51. Well, I guess when you don't follow Geneva
(and hiding behind women and kids while shooting off rockets is NOT according to Geneva) then ya can't call yourself military, can ya!!! So yeah, those were "civilian" casualties!

I have just about given up. I know Hizb'Allah, first hand, from way back. They killed 241 peacekeeping Americans, and that leopard ain't gonna change its spots. They could give a shit about the "Lebanese people" save the shi'a fodder living there to populate their militia. They view Lebanon as a place from which to strike Israel and reclaim Jerusalem. It's their goal. It always has been their goal.

For the life of me I don't get why people don't see it. And when they're given transcripts of speeches from these bums that say "Toss the Jews into the sea, cut their throats, blah blah blah" they counter with "Oh, he didn't MEAN that...it's just rhetoric!!"

What they don't realize is that these bastards put their ardent defenders here in the USA in the same "Shithead/Infidel" category along with the objects of their rocket attacks. They AREN'T nice people. They aren't freedom fighters. They're imperialists with a Koran on the end of their spear.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:42 PM
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50. See post 48. The grasslands for cattle are destroyed, 75 percent of
some forests are GONE. It's not "overexaggeration."

It will take fifty years for nature to recover from this.
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melnjones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:59 PM
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52. thanks for the link. nt.
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:59 PM
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53. God - just compare the size of the craters!!
The Hezbollah rockets look like they're little bigger than cherry bombs. While the Israeli bombs took out entire buildings.

What a one-sided catastrophe.
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Turley Donating Member (585 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 02:43 AM
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57. That's nonsense
Edited on Wed Aug-16-06 03:35 AM by Turley
A Katyusha salvo when properly aimed and fired can take down a building easily. Even if Hizbollah fires them solo they have a 50 lb high explosive warhead. Try sticking that under your arse and telling me about cherry bombs.

Note for the uninformed: The international press calls all ordinance fired by Hizbollah "Katyushas". They can't be bothered to be accurate
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Lindacooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 12:58 PM
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59. So show me pictures of buildings those rockets have taken down.
The 'nonsense' is making statements without providing evidence.
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winter999 Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:52 AM
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19. So it doesn't bother you that both sides agreed
to a cease-fire, yet ONLY ISRAEL has kept their part of the bargain.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:18 PM
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38. Not according to UN observers.
According to UN observers both sides are abiding by a very fragile ceasefire. According to the IDF Hezbollah may have shot rockets at targets inside Lebanon. According to the IDF, IDF forces have also opened fire at targets inside Lebanon, although the IDF claims it did so in self defense. Near as I can tell Hezbollah has agreed to not shoot rockets at Israel and is abiding by that agreement.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:38 PM
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48. Yes--really. It was in all the major papers, US and international
http://forests.org/articles/reader.asp?linkid=59277


The Hezbollah rocket fire that has kept Israelis in the north of the country in underground bomb shelters for weeks is also taking a toll on the environment there, igniting hundreds of fires in Israel’s few forests, in the Galilee region.

Officials estimated Monday that as much as 9,000 acres of land, including almost 3,000 acres of forest, has been damaged by fire in the nearly four weeks of cross-border fighting between Israel and Hezbollah. The conflict has brought daily barrages of rockets from Lebanon.

“There has never been a situation like this before,” said Shimon Romach, 57, Israel’s national fire and rescue commissioner, during a break late last week from reviewing the situation with his staff at the fire station in the town of Nahariya, one of the stations being used as an operations center during the crisis. Aerial and topographical maps of the region line the walls of their operations room.

“Lately there are more Katyushas, and so more land is being burned,” Mr. Romach said.

Many of the rockets, packed with tons of explosive material, have landed and detonated in the forests, vineyards, orchards and open fields of Galilee, which in more peaceful times has been celebrated for its green vistas and tranquillity.......

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-fires7aug07,1,3703727.story

Blazes Scorch Israel's Forests
Firefighters scramble to keep up as rockets spark fires across the northern part of the country. Grasslands also go up in flames.
By Ken Ellingwood, Times Staff Writer
August 7, 2006


KIRYAT SHEMONA, Israel — In this country's greenest corner, much of the land is charred black.

More than three weeks of rocket attacks by Hezbollah guerrillas across the border in Lebanon have set off hundreds of fires in the forests and fields of northern Israel, turning a nature lover's getaway into a smoke-veiled battleground for an army of overworked firefighters.

Officials estimate that the fires have destroyed half a million trees in the pine forests that blanket the hills of the northern Galilee. Thousands of acres of grasslands in the Hula Valley have also burned, ruining a key source of feed for cattle........

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=105&sid=868666

MOUNT NAFTALI FOREST, Israel (AP) - Huge swaths of forests and fields across northern Israel have been scorched by thousands of Hezbollah rocket strikes over the past three weeks, and experts said it would take nature at least 50 years to recover.

Charred branches stuck out of the ground like grave markers at the Mount Naftali Forest overlooking Kiryat Shemona, where entire fields have been reduced to heaps of ash and countless animals killed. But with 19 Israeli civilians killed by the rockets, the plight of the forest has been overlooked.


"Usually when people get hurt so does nature, and the other way around," said Yossi Sarid, a former environment minister. "People do take precedence over nature and wildlife, but the damage is simply awful."


In all, the rocket fire has destroyed 16,500 acres of forests and grazing fields, according to Michael Weinberger, the forest supervisor for the Jewish National Fund, the top administrator of Israel's forests. About 1 million trees were destroyed....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:40 PM
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27. "They are servants of the Ayatullahs in Iran."
Is this your opinion, or...?

I find your choice of epithets amusing - 'bums' is pretty light language for people who target innocent civilians (I wouldn't be so easy on the Israeli military either). It made me grin.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:23 PM
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47. Go into Nasrallah's office. No pics of any Lebanese politicians
...but pictures of the Ayatullahs, he's got, plenty! No matter how much they protest, their agenda does not put LEBANON first. It puts shi'a Islam, from Iran on out, first. Lebanon is just a strategic location...they could care less about the non-shia people there.

It's not an opinion. It is plain, simple fact. It's not even a secret.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HG29Ak02.html
Nasrallah's biography explains how he got close to prominent clerics in Lebanon, Iran and Iraq, in particular the Sadr family. In 1975, when he was only 15, Nasrallah joined the ranks of the Lebanese Shi'ite movement Amal - which Hezbollah broke from after its creation in 1982 - led by Musa al-Sadr.

From 1976 to 1978 he was sent to study in Najaf, Iraq, at the famed Shi'ite seminary the Hawze. There he met most of his mentors, starting with Iranian ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini (leader of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979) and also his tutor, ayatollah Mohammed Sadiq al-Sadr (Muqtada al-Sadr's father). He also was in close contact with Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani (the leading Shi'ite spiritual force in Iraq today).

And finally, he was groomed by future Hezbollah leader Abbas al-Musawi, whom he succeeded after Musawi was killed by the Israelis in 1992. Those two years in Najaf definitely left a huge imprint on Nasrallah's psyche.

And that's why, when it was time to help his Shi'ite brothers in Iraq after the US intervention in 2003, and especially Muqtada, Nasrallah responded. Nasrallah, using the 1982 model of what had worked in Lebanon to kick out the multinational force, adapted some of his tactics in Iraq.
....Obviously, Hezbollah as a multinational group cannot be simply reduced to Lebanon and Israel. Its expansion into Iraq fits strategically very well in the plans of its two sponsors: Syria and Iran.


My language is probably colored by my age. I try to keep up with the new-fangled kid's talk, but I don't always succeed!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:28 AM
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13. Enough to easily destroy a car,
and spray lethal shrapnel for a good 10 yards all around.

If you have one of those roman candles at a party you can enjoy counting your dead as part of the cleanup.

Just more of the 'make our enemies as evil as possible, and downplay the downside of those we admire' foolishness.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:45 PM
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28. People don't appear to admire Hezbollah. That's a false charge.
As was the charge that half of northern Israel was in blazes.

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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:44 AM
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17. Helluva roman candle.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:37 PM
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26. Where, exactly, is this info on the RG coming from?
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 02:38 PM by Zhade
I've read nothing but speculative nonsense from rightwingers on the RG's alleged involvement in this.

It appears you have hard evidence that this was happening. Can you enlighten me with a source or two?

Thanks.

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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:53 PM
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54. Certainly.
It really isn't odd that this relationship exists. Iran created Hizb'Allah. There's no daylight between them. The core of the outfit within Lebanon was entirely made up of Pasaradan following Khomeini's overthrow of the Shah. They fund them, they guide them, and Nasrallah is a protege of the senior Ayatullah in Iran. It would be more surprising if the Pasaradan were NOT helping out, to be blunt about it. They of course don't want to make a big deal out of it because they don't want Israel coming after the parent state.


http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2006/08/10/israel_oks_deeper_push_in_lebanon/
Israel's Channel 10 television reported that members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard were found among Hezbollah guerrillas slain by Israeli forces in southern Lebanon. Channel 10 quoted diplomatic sources as saying the unidentified number of Iranians were identified by papers found on their bodies. The report gave no other details.

Iranian Revolutionary Guard members are in Lebanon serving as advisers and trainers for Hezbollah, the Israeli government has said. Israel and the United States have pointed to the Iranians' presence in Lebanon as evidence of Iran's backing of the Hezbollah organization....


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/06/wmid306.xml

The alleged involvement of the LAF in an attack against Israeli forces complicates the proposed US mission, announced on Thursday, to train and equip the organisation. Gen John Abizaid, a senior US Army commander, told senators the same day that the LAF needed a "significant upgrade" because "it will never work for Lebanon if, over time, Hezbollah has a greater military capacity than the Lebanese armed forces".

Four crew members from the corvette INS Hanit were killed when the sea-skimming C-802 evaded its defensive systems and struck its helicopter deck, igniting fuel tanks. The Israeli source said the sophistication of the attack also indicated the involvement of members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.




http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20074368-31477,00.html

"As the Government of Lebanon has confirmed, the Lebanese Armed Forces has thus not been authorised to prevent further movement of the ammunitions, which had been a common practice for more than 15 years," UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan said in a letter to the Security Council in April. "Hezbollah publicly confirmed that the arms were destined for the group."

It's this uninterrupted flow of weapons, mostly made in Iran, under the nose of the Lebanese Government, that has allowed Hezbollah to stockpile some 12,000 Katyusha rockets. Over the past 29 days of conflict, Hezbollah has fired more than 3000 rockets into Israel. ... US officials believe Iran finances Hezbollah to the tune of $US100 million ($132million) a year, while the Iran Revolutionary Guard trains its fighters. ... Iran is bringing in to Lebanon sophisticated weaponry," says Lebanon's Druze leader, Walid Jumblatt. "The Iranians are actually experimenting with different kinds of missiles in Lebanon by shooting them at the Israelis. Iran is using this violence to test certain of Israel's abilities,"
he adds. Jumblatt heads Lebanon's Progressive Socialist Party and is regarded as the most prominent anti-Syrian Lebanese politician.

And he adds of Syria's role: "Syria will likely try to tell the world, 'Look, see, since we left Lebanon, the Cedar Revolution and the forces in Lebanon that got our military out through popular support, those forces are not able to control Lebanon. While we were in control, Lebanon was a safe place. Now it's not. We need to come back in," he predicts.

"I would not be surprised if they even try to wiggle their way into a deal by convincing the Americans that Syrian influence in Lebanon will stabilise the region."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/07/16/wleb216.xml

Iran was thrust to the forefront of widening conflict in the Middle East last night when Israel and America blamed it for supplying the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah with sophisticated weapons to fight a proxy war against the Jewish state.

Israeli intelligence claimed that 100 Iranian Revolutionary Guards were in Lebanon helping Hezbollah, and that their weapons would enable Hezbollah to strike with devastating force at Israel's armed forces and civilian population as far south as the capital, Tel Aviv.

http://www.nysun.com/article/36557

JERUSALEM — The bodies of Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers killed by the Israeli army in Lebanon have been transported to Syria and flown to Tehran, senior Lebanese political sources said.

Israeli and Egyptian security officials confirmed the news, which follows a report that first appeared in The New York Sun, that Iranian forces posted to southern Lebanon have been aiding Hezbollah terrorists in their attacks against Israel, including helping to fire rockets into Israeli population centers.

The Lebanese sources said between six and nine dead Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers were brought in trucks last week into Syria for a flight back to Iran. They said the bodies were transported along with the tens of thousands of Lebanese civilians fleeing to Syria.

Since Israel began its military campaign in Lebanon two weeks ago following a Hezbollah attack on the Jewish state in which two Israeli soldiers were kidnapped, Syrian authorities have reported that more than 140,000 Lebanese have entered their country, mostly through open areas along the Syria-Lebanon border.

Israeli officials said Iranian Revolutionary Guards directed the firing two weeks ago of a radar-guided C–802 missile that hit an Israeli navy vessel off the coast of Lebanon, killing four soldiers. Israel says Iran acquired the missile from China.



The following are not bad overviews of the relationship between 'parents' Iran and the Revolutionary Guard, and 'child' Hizb'Allah: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/hizballah.htm

Hizballah is an Islamic movement founded after the Israeli military seizure of Lebanon in 1982, which resulted in the formation of Islamic resistance units committed to the liberation of the occupied territories and the ejection of Israeli forces. Hizbollah was established in 1982 during the Lebanon War when a group of Lebanese Shi'ite Muslims declared themselves to be the "Party of God" (Hizb Allah, which is clear in Hizbollah but progressively less so in Hizbollah / Hizbullah / Hezbollah). Upon the realization that the IDF was entrenching itself in south Lebanon, and influenced and assisted by 1,500 Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Lebanon, Hizballah cells began developing with the immediate desire to resist the Israeli invasion. Hizbollah began establishing its base in Lebanon in 1982 and has expanded and strengthened ever since, primarily due to its wave of suicide bombings and foreign support by Iran and Syria....Hizballah was established by the Iranian Revolutionary Guards who came to Lebanon during the 1982 "Peace for Galilee" war, as part of the policy of exporting the Islamic revolution. It receives substantial amounts of financial, training, weapons, explosives, political, diplomatic, and organizational aid from Iran and Syria. Published reports that Iran provides hundreds million dollars of aid annually are probably exaggerated. Iran probably provides financial assistance and military assistance worth about $25-50 million.

Hizballah is closely allied with, and often directed by, Iran but has the capability and willingness to act independently. Closely allied with, and often directed by Iran, it may have conducted operations that were not approved by Tehran. Though Hizballah does not share the Syrian regime’s secular orientation, the group has been a strong ally in helping Syria advance its political objectives in the region. ......


http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/world/iran/qods.htm
Foreign Operations
The foreign operations by the Guardians, which also encompass the activities of Hizballah and Islamic Jihad – are usually carried out through the Committee on Foreign Intelligence Abroad and the Committee on Implementation of Actions Abroad. As with agents of Ministry of Intelligence, Pasdaran personnel operate through front companies and non-governmental organizations, employees or officials of trading companies, banks, cultural centers or as representatives of the Foundation of the Oppressed and Dispossessed (Bonyade-e- Mostafazan), or the Martyrs Foundation.

The Qods (Jerusalem) Force of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) is responsible for extraterritorial operations, including terrorist operations. A primary focus for the Qods Force is training Islamic fundamentalist terrorist groups. Currently, the Qods Force conducts training activities in Iran and in Sudan. The Qods Force is also responsible for gathering information required for targeting and attack planning. The Pasdaran has contacts with underground movements in the Gulf region, and Pasdaran members are assigned to Iranian diplomatic missions, where, in the course of routine intelligence activities they monitor dissidents. Pasdaran influence has been particularly important in Kuwait, Bahrain, and the United Arab Emirates.

The largest branch of Pasdaran foreign operations consists of approximately 12,000 Arabic speaking Iranians, Afghans, Iraqis, Lebanese shi’ites and North Africans who trained in Iran or received training in Afghanistan during the Afghan war years. Presently these foreign operatives receive training in Iran, Sudan and Lebanon, and include the Hizballah <"Party of Allah"> intelligence, logistics and operational units in Lebanon . The second largest Pasdaran foreign operations relates to the Kurds (particularly Iraqi Kurds), while the third largest relates to the Kashmiri’s, the Balouchi’s and the Afghans. The Pasdaran has also supported the establishment of Hizballah branches in Lebanon, Iraqi Kurdistan, Jordan and Palestine, and the Islamic Jihad in many other Moslem countries including Egypt, Turkey, Chechnya and in Caucasia. Hizballah has been implicated in the counterfeiting of U.S. dollars and European currencies, both to finance its operations and to disrupt Western economies by impairing international trade and tourism. ....Hizballah Deputy Secretary-General Naim Qasim appeared to confirm the importance of Iran to his organization during a late-July ceremony in the town of Tulin, when he said "We must stand side by side against the Israeli enemy, because Lebanon's strength is part of Syria's strength, and Iran's support and support for Palestine are an honor for us." ...


http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20060814/ts_csm/oiranx_1
"It's a very strong, very solid organic relationship – similar to the relationship between Israel and the US," says Saad-Ghorayeb. In the year that Mr. Ahmadinejad has been president of Iran, those ties have consolidated. But there are limits.

"Iran does not dictate military strategy or policy to Hizbullah, as is commonly seen in the West," says Saad-Ghorayeb. "For example, the US supports Israel, no one says that the US tells Israel what to do. It's the same for Hizbullah and Iran."

Hizbullah maintains closest ties to Iran's clerical establishment, and looks to Iran's supreme religious leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as the Shiite group's spiritual reference, or ~~I~~marja~~/I~~. It believes in the concept of ~~I~~velayat e-faqih~~/I~~, rule by a supreme jurisprudent as a pillar of Iran's Islamic regime. Nasrallah is Ayatollah Khamenei's personal representative to Lebanon – a rare and telling link.


A good overview of recent regional history here: http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?021014fa_fact4

Hezbollah has an annual budget of more than a hundred million dollars, which is supplied by the Iranian government directly and by a complex system of finance cells scattered around the world, from Bangkok and Paraguay to Michigan and North Carolina. Like Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah operates successfully in public spheres that are closed off to most terrorist groups. It runs a vast and effective social-services network. It publishes newspapers and magazines and owns a satellite television station that is said to be watched by ten million people a day in the Middle East and Europe. The station, called Al Manar, or the Lighthouse, broadcasts anti-American programming, but its main purpose is to encourage Palestinians to become suicide bombers.

Along with this public work, Hezbollah continues to increase its terrorist and guerrilla capabilities. Magnus Ranstorp says that Hezbollah can be active on four tracks simultaneously—the political, the social, the guerrilla, and the terrorist—because its leaders are "masters of long-term strategic subversion." The organization's Special Security Apparatus operates in Europe, North and South America, and East Asia. According to both American and Israeli intelligence officials, the group maintains floating "day camps" for terrorist training throughout the Bekaa Valley; many of the camps are said to be just outside Baalbek. In some of them, the instructors are supplied by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps and Iran's Ministry of Intelligence. In the past twenty years, terrorists from such disparate organizations as the Basque separatist group ETA, the Red Brigades, the Kurdistan Workers' Party, and the Irish Republican Army have been trained in these camps.



More recent history:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/06/wmid206.xml
An Iranian MP who helped found the Hezbollah terrorist group has confirmed for the first time that Teheran has equipped it with long-range missiles capable of hitting "any target in Israel".

In a potentially ominous development that could lead to a further escalation of the conflict, the theocratic regime also gave implicit authorisation for the Lebanese guerilla group to strike Tel Aviv with the Zelzal-2 missiles, manufactured in Teheran.

Israeli forces have been desperately attempting to destroy Hezbollah's longer-range arsenal, including the Zelzal missiles and launchers, before the weapons are deployed.

Intelligence officials believe one reason why Hezbollah has not yet fired a Zelzal missile into Israel is that it needs a green light from Iran and Syria before any action that could turn the conflict into full-scale regional war.

According to Western and Israeli intelligence agencies, Zelzals and Fajr-3s - with a range of 25 miles - are manufactured by Iran's Aerospace Industries Organisation at its Shahid Bagheri Industries facility in Teheran. Hezbollah also has a small number of Fajr-5s, with a range of 45 miles.

Nasrallah said the group had about 12,000 rockets and missiles when hostilities began on July 12. "We can take him at his word," said David Schenker, a former Pentagon official now at the Washington Institute of Near East Policy.

More than 10,000 are believed to be Katyusha rockets with a range of just 12 miles, whose use against Israeli civilians would be prevented if Israel can carve a deep enough buffer zone in southern Lebanon. About 120 Fajr-3s and Fajr-5s are also thought to have been supplied, mostly by air to Damascus, from where they were taken overland to southern Lebanon.

A senior Israeli security source said most of the weapons were funnelled through Camp Zabadani, an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) base in Syria located close to the Lebanese border....Israel believes that the IRGC, formed to safeguard the 1979 Islamic revolution and counterbalance the regular Iranian army, has dispatched troops to Lebanon to assist Hezbollah. President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran has promised unstinting support for Hezbollah. "The main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime," he said last week....


And then, there's this side dish, which, if true, is quite fascinating all by itself:

http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2006/august/08_14_1.html












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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:36 PM
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60. Most of those are rightwing sources, except GlobalSecurity and New Yorker.
The papers are Murdoch papers, so I dismiss them instantly. The last is a biased source.

But the Global Security and New Yorker links are informative. Thank you for sharing those.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:58 AM
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21. Sure, why bother to believe news report
when you know better than that?
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:37 PM
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25. My theory doesn't contradict the news report
The report said Hezbollah rockets had been fired and had fallen short of the border, within Lebanon. The report didn't offer any explanation for the fire. So, a logical inference is that this could have been harassment fire by Hezbollah, to encourage the IDF on their way back to Israel.

I didn't say I "knew" this, just offered it as a possibility. People do that sort of thing on internet newsgroups.
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soaky Donating Member (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 09:51 PM
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61. now that's ironic
since your username is question everything
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:21 AM
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6. Hezbollah is firing rockets at their own country? n/t
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:33 AM
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8. Lebanon is currently occupied by a hostile foreign force. nt.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:31 AM
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14. And the real Lebanese army--
well, the army of the real Lebanese--is currently defending their kingdom.

The agreement between Israel and the phoney government ... eh. Siniora's been told to back off, and the agreement seems to be that as long as Hezb doesn't display its arms too openly they'll be allowed to return, restaff garrisons, rebuild, and keep their arms.

And Annan's said that as long as UNIFIL people aren't shot at, they don't shoot back. So if they see a missile launcher and are ignored, that's fine. As long as they're not shot at, they file their reports, which are carefully kept from the eyes of anybody that might care.

Gee, that didn't take long, did it?
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:04 PM
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22. they are defending their DEMOCRACY & COUNTRY
not thier 'kingdom'
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winter999 Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:55 AM
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20. So Hezbolah doesn't have to abide
by an agreement they signed on to? Typical and doesn't surprise me. Just like their claim of victory.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:19 PM
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39. The UN has stated that both sides are abiding by the terms. nt.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:38 AM
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11. Yes, at the Israeli troops still in Lebanon
I'm guessing that this is permitted under the agreement since there has been no uproar over it. I read that troops are beginning to leave Lebanon now, which may be a result of these rockets. Seems like they are sitting ducks.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:49 PM
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29. I do think that if the IDF is pulling out completely...
...that they shouldn't be fired on as they leave. That's a cowardly move, it's dishonorable, and it violates the spirit (if not the letter) of a cease-fire.

That's not to sat those who committed or ordered war crimes - like Olmert - should suddenly remain free of accountability. He still needs to wind up in the Hague.

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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:45 PM
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34. Just for perspective, remember the "Road of Death" (Iraq/Kuwait) ??
.
.
.

The USA War Machine slaughtered tens of thousands of Iraqis on their own soil as they retreated from their attack on Kuwait

"Shooting in the back" is a well known trait for the USA's military

to quote yourself

"That's a cowardly move, it's dishonorable"

Wonder why the USA is losing respect,

and fostering hatred for itself around the world

"Do as I say, not as I do" - just don't work anymore

I could go into the slaughter of Mai Lai

but I won't

I figure most readers know about that massacre too

USA Nomba One

yeah,

right.


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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:41 PM
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40. Everyone should be in the Hague according to you...
Listen, I know this isn't popular...but realize this Zhade:

For years and years, the civilian population of Northern Israel was under attack from Hezbollah, right? THere was a UN resolution to disarm them, right? The Lebanese army was incapable of doing this, right? (BTW, where were your calls for the Lebanese all this time to be sent to The Hague? Or even to their room, for that matter?) So the Israelis went in heavy-handed, killed a whole lot of Hezbollah and,according to you and your fellow-travellers (don't like that appelation much? I didn't particularly like some of the epithets directed my way during the last month either) way too many civilians for your tastes, right? And guess, what, the UN got off it's ass, passed another resolution, ostensibly are getting some troops in there (jury's out on how well they're gonna do their job - 'peacekeepers' they say - weren't the 241 Marines killed in Beirut 'peacekeepers'?), and the Hezbollah apparently are moved back so their rockets only reach their own border for the most part, right?

So what Olmert and the Israelis did was up the ante. You shoot at their people with what would be called impunity, you get your ass shot off. Some places blown to frigging bits. Hezbollah took great credit for 'driving the Israelis out' all those years ago, now they're gonna get the blame for inviting them back in. And that's what war and conflict is all about. They shot 'Roman Candles' at them (BS, BTW), they got real ordinance sent their way. Gotta be careful whom you piss off.

The Hague my behind...
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:52 PM
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35. I tend to think they're withdrawing because they agreed to. n/t
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:35 PM
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46. According to one account of the
'ceasefire' agreement, if you can believe any, the IDF will stick around Lebanon until the UN forces are in place. Some reports have been that the Israelis will try to eradicate as many Hezbollah fighters as possible until the UN force is completely in place. It sounds like that will take some time; the countries who have indicated they 'might' agree to be a part of the UN forces have some details to be dickered over.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 08:44 AM
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15. Shocking
Maybe they're not the nice guys we thought they were?
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:51 AM
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18. Never fooled me for a second. Hezbollah breaking the truce.
Imagine that!

Who'd have guessed?!

So much for supporting the TERRORSITS Hezbollah thugs...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:06 PM
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:35 PM
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24. Neither
Simply making an ironic observation about the amount of tacit support here for Hizbollah. It's sort of sad.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 02:51 PM
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30. What tacit support?
Criticizing Israel's war crimes isn't support for Hezbollah. No one on this thread is supporting Hezbollah, so you either brought in a charge that doesn't apply to anyone here, or you made it up.

There's probably, oh, two or three maybe-trolls who have shown anything close to condoning Hezbollah.

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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:03 PM
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31. It's probably not.
Though I do recall a poll finding something like 40% support for Hiz.'s right to defend itself. But both sides will try to minimize the level of atrocities committed by "their" side & maximize those of the other side. So, on a story about Hiz. firing rockets, some anti-Israel people will say this is actually a faked Israeli ploy. After the Qana bombing, some pro-Israeli people said Hiz. was launching rockets from there, or hiding there (they weren't). I'm not trying to start a flame war, really, but I am a little tired of the justifications & minimizations on both sides. Not in this thread, particularly, but in general. But I just probably shouldn't post at all on this issue.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:25 PM
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33. That's pretty fair, though I'd argue...
...that Hezbollah does have a right to defend itself - by which I mean, legitimate defense, not acts like rocketing Israeli civilians. If attacked by the invading IDF, they do in fact have the right to retaliate against their attackers.

But like Israel, they have no right whatsoever to target innocent civilians.

Your post is pretty reasonable, I actually hope you don't stop posting on the issue. We need some level-headed dialogue.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:52 PM
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:44 PM
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41. ZHADE:
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 05:45 PM by PCIntern
Now that it's 'over', (and I don't believe that for a second), you want level-headed dialogue? Are you kidding...

Your posts slamming the IDF, and discussing the rights of a terrorist organization like Hezbollah were remarkably level-headed, during the conflict.

Tell you one thing, oh never mind...it's no use.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:26 PM
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55. As far as I know, Hezbollah never targeted civilians. (sarcasm)
As far as I know, they never targeted anything in particular, just pointed the rockets south and let rip.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 05:49 PM
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42. So now who is going to repair the 10 story buildings?
Rebuild power plants and water systems? Don't forget the 35,000 tons of heavy crude floating around in the Mediterranean. Better find something for people to do, instead of just looking at blown up buildings. They won't stay happy for long. Both sides 'won'. Yay. Someone give them a lolly-pop! :eyes:
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PCIntern Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 06:12 PM
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44. Now this is a good point...
During the Passover Seder, Jews throughout the world, even in the Likud party, diminish their cups of wine to remember the losses sustained by the enemies. That all men's deaths diminish all of us, even of those who hate us.

Interesting, now it is time to consider how to re-establish order. No one ever 'wins' a war from a humanistic standpoint. The stories of wars and their aftermaths is the entire thread of human history.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 11:29 PM
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56. Maybe the folks who've been arming Hezbollah will pay for the rebuilding.
This is the classic situation - everyone notices when the old guy down the street goes off and takes a shot gun to some neighborhood punks, but somehow no one ever really tried to make an arrest when the punks were making wheelies in the guy's lawn.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-16-06 07:48 AM
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58. How about the breaker buys it?
Hezbollah pays for the repair to Israeli buildings (etc.) that their
rockets wrecked and Israel pays for the repair to the Lebanese buildings
(power stations, water purification plants, oil refineries, etc.) that
*their* bombs & missiles wrecked.

Sounds like a fair bargain to me.
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