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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:41 PM
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DC's 'Open secret': Rumsfeld wants to quit Iraq (the life of 'fobbits')
DC's 'Open secret': Rumsfeld wants to quit Iraq
Sherwood Ross
Middle East Times
August 14, 2006

WASHINGTON, DC -- It is an "open secret" in Washington US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld "wants to extricate himself from Iraq" but President George W. Bush "remains resolute," thus the US hangs on, a US investigative reporter has written.

The result is a military posture in limbo somewhere between aggressiveness and withdrawal that could bog the US down in Iraq for years. Tragically, it opens the door to escalation of the horrific violence which in Baghdad on kills around 50 people daily and wounds many times more.

The Pentagon has largely switched from rooting out and killing insurgents, as in the first two years of the war (2003-4), to hunkering its troops down in "isolated mega-bases," said George Packer, a staff writer for The New Yorker magazine and author of The Assassins' Gate (Farrar, Straus & Giroux). This approach, known in Washington as an "exit strategy," has put the much victimized Iraqi public at increased risk.

"Commanders are under tremendous pressure to keep casualties low, and combat deaths have been declining for several months, as patrols are reduced and the Americans rely more and more on air power," Packer wrote in the magazine April 10 in words that sound prescient four months later as civilian killed and wounded overflow Iraqi morgues and hospitals.

"The retreat to enduring FOBs seems like an acknowledgment that counterinsurgency is just too hard," Packer wrote. He quoted Kalev Sepp, a retired Special Forces officer, who stated, "If you really want to reduce your casualties go back to Fort Riley. It's absurd to think that you can protect the population from armed insurgents without putting your men's lives at risk."

(more)

http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060814-035136-1700r

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:44 PM
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1. "This approach, known in Washington as an 'exit strategy....'"
:banghead:
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:45 PM
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2. its the tragic distruction of a fine fighting force
The US Armed services have a fine reputation at what they are paid to "do",
and sadly, nation building is not one of those things. To see a fine force
destroyed like this, picked apart when it is defending nothing but the
corporate cronys of the president's mob... then its more than tragic.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:47 PM
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3. He and Bush Should Pay for This
Everyone in his administration should be charged with TREASON!
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:48 PM
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4. I've suspected withrawing those brigades to Baghdad was the beginning...
...of the end. Wasn't sure if anybody's conscious of this as the start of the withdrawal, but it seems clearer every day. This piece makes me think I'm on the right track.

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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:56 PM
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7. This is was happened in Nam. Commanders knew the war was done/lost....
so they just hunkered down their guys in order to avoid further losses.

The politicos didn't have the balls to declare victory (or loss) so the war just continued. Nixon didn't want to be the 1st pres to have lost a war. So more dies.

This little AWOL/moron will NEVER allow a pullout. He's the most gutless pos we've ever had hold that office.
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:56 PM
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25. Just B*sh -
Rumsfeld is just a technician in this mad scheme.

He was an awol a-hole - he is now a danger to kids that had no idea this madman actually had charge of our country - they didn't know any better. They thought adults were in control - dumb kids.

I give Nixon some wiggle room - cause I know at least he wasn't an idiot.

B*sh isn't just gutless - he is an idiot.

Joe
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:27 PM
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44. I would have to agree with you Bush* is a Moron and an Idiot!
Edited on Tue Aug-15-06 01:27 PM by Tight_rope
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:48 PM
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5. The funny thing about Rummy is that he's tried resigning.
Edited on Mon Aug-14-06 05:49 PM by Bleachers7
I don't know if he really wants to leave, but it's funny to hear him say "I tried."

BTW, here is my withdrawal strategy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1903904&mesg_id=1903904
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Bark Bark Bark Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:44 AM
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35. Beware The Phony Resignation
I can't believe anyone actually believes Bush tells Cheney or Rummy what to do. Anytime he is away from his handlers, he collapses into behavior that would embarrass a real chimp, and it's been shown on more than one occasion that he has NO idea what the hell's going on, in any given situation.

So when Rummy talks about his "resignation," the more likely reality is that he walked up to Bush and told him, "I offered to resign and you said 'no.' Do NOT forget that." He probably had to drill it into Li'l Dubbie's head a few more times, but now Rummy is inoculated: "I tried to resign, but the President (snicker) won't let me."
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:55 PM
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6. I believe it.
The guy isn't a moron. He may be a lot of things, but not stupid.

This deal falls on only one guys shoulders.

Joe
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 05:56 PM
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8. Dumsfeldor just wants to take his $ and go...then just go!
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teryang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:01 PM
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9. The 2 X 4 is starting to hurt
Airdales committing to ground combat learn a deadly lesson.

What happened to contolling the battlespace? And full spectrum dominance? And Army lite?

The spin machine grinds to a bloody halt.
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:04 PM
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10. More propaganda. Bush the fall guy, so that the PNAC gang will escape.
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yorkiemommie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:16 PM
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13. i keep asking the LA TImes to do a series on the PNAC

PNAC needs to be publicized a LOT!!!
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:11 PM
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31. Bush is the fall guy?
...Why should I be concerned?
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JohMunich99 Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:46 AM
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34. Or it could be that Rumsfeld doesn't have to want to deal with
the Iraqi situation anymore. God forbid Rumsfeld actually change his mind and listen to people on something.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:07 PM
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11. We may very well be in a slow motion exit - to those "mega bases".
It's the British model. We've followed their historical Middle East playbook so far, in many ways. I'm personally betting on partition, btw.
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cassiepriam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:01 PM
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26. Yes, I think there will be a partition. That is where it is headed.
Like India.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:16 PM
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12. That petard starting to hurt a little bit, Rummy? Ouch!
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unschooler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:23 PM
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14. All the PNAC really needs is the mega-bases anyway, since they
don't really care what goes on in Iraq, so long as the oil fields are "protected" and we have permanent bases from which to keep the rest of the middle east towing the line. Yes, it would have been nice to have a peaceful little puppet state in Iraq, but it was never really necessary.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:55 PM
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24. The ultimate goal is to get at the oil fields in Iran....
the whole point of "liberating" Iran, as is the case in Iraq, is to ensure that there is an America-friendly government that comes to power in order to sell us their oil, and enjoy the fringe benefits we have to offer those in power.
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:27 PM
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15. "Resolute"..
... 100 dollar word for stubborn as a jackass and just as stupid.
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truthisfreedom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:31 PM
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16. recipie for disaster: low casualty rate for politics, idiot son must have
his war on, confused old dottering dufus trying to please everybody in a rapidly escalating civil war.

end result: America looks insane. is this what you wanted, you neo-con bastards? is this what you were hoping for? i hope you never sleep again, you ridiculous twits. you've inched us closer to ruin than at any time in recent history.
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:33 PM
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17. EXCUSE ME???
Rummy wants to CUT AND RUN??? Impossible! Why his boss and all the members of his party think that doing anything other than the disastrous job they're doing so far is giving in to "the terr'sts." Dick Cheney said so himself!

It must be asked: Why does Rummy hate America?

:patriot:
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Joe for Clark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:49 PM
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22. Thats funny.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:36 PM
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18. Wouldn't this be a similar strategy to Reagan's in Beirut in 1983?
We know how that ended.

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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:41 PM
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19. So Bush lost, but he's terrified of going down in history as the boy who
lost. So more civilians in an innocent land die so that Bush can pretend that he is winning. They should all be tried for war crimes abroad and treason at home. Every one of them.

I wonder how many sober days Bush has these days.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:44 PM
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20. Yep. he'll let his 'successor' be blamed for his fork up
typical
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:48 PM
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21. I don't know if he can hang on until a scapegoat, um, successor
is chosen, barring a miracle. Maybe he's hoping the Dems will take Congress and make the decisions for him, so he can always claim the Dems failed to support the troops, and all that same crap losers always spout.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 06:50 PM
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23. With all our troops behind 20 concrete blast walls
and only scurrying out in convoys, they can probably hang on
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 04:53 AM
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37. Let's make sure he's tarred using one of his favs... a sports analogy
The relief pitcher isn't charged with the loss if the losing runs were allowed by the starter. This "L" is on Bush's shoulders.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:54 PM
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27. Now look what you've done
George W. Bush. Do you think your daddy's proud of you for this?
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 07:58 PM
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28. sounds like Rummy has hired a publicist n/t
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laheina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 03:54 AM
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36. No kidding!
"Don't hate Rummy. He's really not a bad guy..." :eyes:
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:03 PM
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29. US invasion of Iraq: Utter unmitigated disaster. (nt)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-14-06 08:03 PM
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30. I believe Rummy has wanted to quit for a while..
Why he hasn't is a big mystery.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:02 AM
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32. I don't think the BFEE (like the mafia) lets you quit
You go out feet first, like Ken Lay.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 12:08 AM
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33. I was kinda wondering what had happened to him.
Can't believe he's still with us, actually.
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:33 AM
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38. Uh oh ... The monkey has taken over from the monkey grinder
That's the problem with having a puppet president. He starts to believe he really is president.

Lord help us if he is overruling Rumsfeld and Cheney, and starts implementing his rapture based policies, rather than the mere greed and murderous militarism of his handlers.
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:09 PM
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42. What a frightening thought
We're moving beyond "mere greed and murderous militarism," which while deplorable was quasi-rational, to having the sock puppet implement rapture-based policy. We could definitely go from bad to worse.
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 07:45 AM
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39. Wasn't Rummy unenthusiastic about the Iraq war in the first place?
I seem to recall reading a long time ago that the Neocons told him he had to.
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OregonBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:08 AM
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40. They never cared one iota about Iraq or enduring freedom, they
went there for the oil and they will stay there until they have bled the country dry. It's always been about money and power. Don't believe this story. As long as there's oil there, Rummy does not want to leave.
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colorado_ufo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 10:59 AM
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41. "I wish I could quit ya -"
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-15-06 01:13 PM
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43. "If you really want to reduce your casualties go back to Fort Riley"
Hunkering down in those bases isn't cheap either. I thought the Iraq War was costing us $1 billion a week at it's peak. Now it's costing $1-1/2 billion a week just to not admit it's a disaster.
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