Lieberman should drop out of election race: Dean

[Rose Siding]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Sen. Joseph Lieberman should bow out of the November's congressional race altogether after his defeat in Connecticut's Democratic primary, a top Democrat said on Sunday....

Howard Dean, chairman of the Democratic National Committee, said Lieberman should support his party -- and Lamont -- rather than running against him to defeat the Republicans.

"I know how hard this is for Joe, and he is a good person, but the truth is I lost one of these races and I got behind my party's nominee and I think that is what you have to do if you want to help this country," Dean, former governor of Vermont, said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

"The way to help this country is to limit Republican power."

http://go.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=politicsNews&storyID=13176843&src=rss/ElectionCoverage

[rusty charly]

1. Lieberman should drop out of election race: Democratic Underground

[yurbud]

2. thank you, Howard. Vote this one up so Congress gets message--

pull the plug on the corporate tumor Lieberman.

[yurbud]

3. we could help ease his transition--any ideas for lobbying job for Joe?

like for the contractors who provide body bags and coffins for the military?

[mitchum]

53. Well, Joe has always worked for the insurance companies...

so I imagine he will fall into something in that field

[Trillo]

4. Couldn't agree with Dean more. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Tom Joad]

29. More disturbingly, is that those who were forced out of their homeland

in '48 or '67, have no right to return to it. Lieberman can live there even if no one tracable in his family every lived there before. Mighty strange, if you ask me.

[hoboken123]

42. More disturbingly, is that those who betrayed their homeland

in '48 and '67 after trying to wipe out Israel with their arab brothers, were ignored when their plans failed. Israel took in the 100s of thousands of jews forced from their homes in '48(still no reparations), yet the arabs turned their backs.

[mitchum]

55. Even more disturbingly, the Israeli freedom fighters and statesmen...

Begin, Ben Gurion, Meier, Dayan, etc...all belonged to MURDEROUS TERRORIST organizations before gaining "respectability"

[hoboken123]

56. More disturbingly...

random CAPITALIZATION comes across POORLY.


I can't tell if you're referring to Dayan's highly-decorated service with the British in WWII, resulting in his Distinguished Service Order.


I guess they could've chosen to not fight back when invaded each time...

[mitchum]

57. Nothing random about it, my friend...

perhaps you need a refresher on the definition of "random"
The capitalization was deliberate and pointed (and factual)
I was referring to Dayan's membership in Haganah. But you already know about that, don't you?
Should I even Begin to list the other terrorist organizations represented by the above?

(And no, that isn't a random capitalization there, either. It does make a nice little punning point, doesn't it?)

[hoboken123]

60. Of course...

...right after your refresher on writing fundamentals.

And of course I knOw about the broad brush you're painting with.

For example, Ben-Gurion was well-respected and considered a moderate. His desire to call off the King David hotel bombing and his sinking of the Altalena are well-known.

AS THIS IS WELL KNOWN(gee, this isn't silly at all), you're 'incorrect' at best.

[mitchum]

61. No broad brush at all, my friend

I'm just alluding to the fact that perhaps Muslim terrorists have a historical model in the region to go by. What do you think? What works for one group of semites may eventually work for another group of semites. Who knows?
Honestly, I have no dog in this fight. I just consider it a longstanding family feud amongst various believers in skygod fairy tales dreamed up by a bunch of misogynist raggedy ass herdsmen. However, hypocrisy does amuse me.

And I don't think that I am the one who needs a refresher on writing fundamentals.

[hoboken123]

62. Plenty of regional models to work from

Ikhwan al-Muslimun seems a much better example; fundamentalist muslims who opposed arab secularism through violence, going so far as to kill the Egyptian premier.

Perhaps it isn't you who needs the refresher, but who ever made post #57 certainly does.

[Skink]

5. who is running on the Republican ticket?

[DoYouEverWonder]

9. Some poor sucker

I'd be pretty po'd at the Repug Party if I was him.

[otto m]

17. some scandal ridden nobody

Schlessinger or something with only 6% support

[IronLionZion]

34. Someone who is going to lose miserably nt

[barb162]

49. A man who is polling with 6% of the vote

[Demeter]

6. Lieberman Should Drop Out of Public Life and Reflect

He really needs to go to his room for a time out. Or an ashram, or a shrink, or the bottom of a bottle, whatever it takes to get his head wrapped around Reality and functional.

[savemefromdumbya]

7. Dubai Joe should be flung out (supported Bush's Dubai port security)

[Zorra]

8. "The way to help this country is to limit Republican power." n/t

[Joanne98]

10. AMEN! Tell him Howard!

[WildEyedLiberal]

11. Uh oh, will DU attack Dean because he called Joe a "good person"?

I've seen several DUers, in their zeal to attack elected Democrats, tar and feather various Dems for being polite to Joe. Is Dean now an enabler because he was polite and cordial in his request?

For the record: Dean's comment was absolutely spot on.

[Zhade]

13. Nah - Dean's just having compassion for a pitiful sore loser.

You know, like telling the kid who sung the worst at the talent show "you've got a lot of courage, singing in front of people is scary!"

[Mind_your_head]

24. Being PO-lite is just "for show".....nobody really means it.....

...especially when it comes to Joe.

[IronLionZion]

35. YEARGH!!!

I think we should tar and feather every Democrat and work against them as much as possible. What we need are fewer Democrats. That will teach them.

Our buddy Joe has the right idea: a party of one! It's lonely being an elitist.

:silly:

The greatest thing about Joe is that if he ever does switch to the Repubs, he would be the most liberal RINO there is, especially since Chafee is going down hard this November.

[BigDDem]

45. Good point

if Hillary called him a good person, the usual suspects would be going nuts.

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[crispini]

15. Ahem.

You might wanna read the DU rules before shouting your support for Not The Democrat all over the place. ;)

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[mac56]

18. But you didn't hesitate to bash Ted Kennedy on another thread.

You ain't walking your talk, sport.

[crispini]

19. Uh no.

Sorry. A good Democrat would suck it up and put the party over his personal ambitions, and support the person who won the prmary.

Allow me to refer you to Skinner's statement on the race.

On a somewhat related note: Many people have already asked whether DU members will be permitted to campaign for Lieberman here on DU. We intend to treat Joe Lieberman's third-party candidacy the same way we have treated every other third-party candidacy since 2002. In short: Don't use our bandwidth to support any candidate that is running against a Democrat in a general election. We understand that some people here have supported Joe Lieberman, and will continue to do so in the general election. That's fine. We're not going to ban anyone for simply admitting a preference for Joe Lieberman. But if we think you're just trolling our site for votes, then we're not going cut you a great deal of slack.

more...
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Skinner/118

Lieberman, like a hundred thousand primary losers before him, needs to now cowboy up and support the cause of party unity, i.e. the nominee.

Just like Dean did.

[MercutioATC]

20. A Democrat in his heart, but not on the ballot?

He's running against the duly elected Democratic candidate.

That's not the act of either a "good man" or a "Democrat".

[saigon68]

33. Au Revoir Enjoy your stay on this thread

[crispini]

14. Howard :loveya: Dean

What a class act. :loveya::loveya::loveya::loveya:

[bettyellen]

21. Absofuckinglutely.All Dem Senators should tell Joe to respect the voters.

Accept defeat and HELP LAMONT. That's how it';s supposed to be. Stop embarrassing yourself, Joe.

[PassingFair]

22. We should be railing against the MONEY it will cost us

...to go up against Joe LieberManO'War, like
the DLC people do when they decry primaries.

Go Home Joe.

[fishwax]

31. agreed

this is costing us in other races.

[Kurovski]

23. Yes. Yes, he should.

:kick:

[Raydawg1234]

25. about time a Dem leader came up with the balls to say this

[Czolgosz]

26. Stop pro-Lieberman Kinky Friedman's out-of-Texas $ from Democrats

Some ill-informed Democrats (lots of them out of state, but unfortunately some of them here at DU) are sending money to Kinky Friedman's campaign because they think it's funny that we have a Jesse Ventura/Arnold Schwarzenegger-type moron fucking up the governor's race here in Texas.

Please help put a stop to that crap, but it's not funny for us down here in Texas.

Kinky is a big supporter of this new Zell Lieberman. On Joe Scarborough's show this week, Kinky praised Lieberman for leaving the Democratic Party, and Kinky suggested liberals were anti-American:

SCARBOROUGH: Hey, Kinky, could the argument be that both parties are extreme, vote for the new independent?

FRIEDMAN: That could certainly be. I think the mood of the country is really, really independent. I mean, I think the winds of change are really blowing right now. And all the—the way I see Lieberman, he's very—he's pro-America, unashamedly, and he's pro-Israel. And these liberals are
not.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14285602

This bullshit echoes Kinky's support for Bush:

Question: So does this idea of the honorable cowboy have anything to do with why you threw your support behind President Bush in this last election? You did, didn’t you?
Kinky: Yes. I did in this last election, but I didn’t vote for him the first time.
Question: Who did you vote for in 2000?
Kinky: I voted for Gore then. I was conflicted. . .but I was not for Bush that time. Since then, though, we’ve become friends. And that’s what’s changed things.
Question: So it’s your friendship with him that’s changed your mind about having him as president more than his specific political positions?
Kinky: Well, actually, I agree with most of his political positions overseas, his foreign policy. On domestic issues, I’m more in line with the Democrats. I basically think he played a poor hand well after September 11. What he’s been doing in the Near East and in the Middle East, he’s handling that well, I think.

http://www.ruminator.com/content/040501.html (please also bear in mind that Kinky's claim to have voted for Gore in 2000 is a straight-up lie because Kinky's voting records confirm Kinky didn't vote in any elections for at least a decade before his vote for Bush in 2004. http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4517585).

Please help us shut this clown down in Texas: next time you hear some Democrat expressing interest in Kinky, please slap them.

[salib]

32. Also, help us out here in Texas

Nothing better than seeing Bush's adopted home state turn Blue!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=2773426&mesg_id=2773426

[mitchum]

59. Kinky can't sing, write, or think very well. He's just a lifelong hustler

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

27. dean got treated the same way by the media that lamont is

being labeled 'far left'. trivialized as a one-issue candidate, etc

[truthisfreedom]

30. what happened to this story? it says not available... was it edited off

the reuter's site?

[missTheBigDog]

36. Dean would've made a real good president....

damn those repugs for shooting his campaign in the foot for ridiculing him on that campaign fired up speech. He is right on with his comments. Joe needs to gracefully bow out for the sake of the party. The in-fighting just makes us look bad and gives the right plenty of ammunition.

[racaulk]

38. "makes us look bad and gives the right plenty of ammunition"

Damn right! Of course if you believe that Lieberman is a DINO, that may be precisely the point of his independent run--to give the Repukes ammunition against the Dems.

Welcome to DU, missTheBigDog! I miss him too!

:hi:

[missTheBigDog]

40. Thanks!

[Az_lefty]

37. Lieberman deserves a swift kick...

as he's showing now is that it's all about him.
:puke:

[AzDar]

39. Spot-on. n/t

[Crunchy Frog]

41. Dean is absolutely right.

Not that the winner of the first four slots in The Top 10 Conservative Idiots, Below Average Joe Edition is likely to see any sense on this matter.

Hey wow! Did a Holy Joe promoter finally get his posts deleted around here? It's a miracle!:wow:

[sofa king]

43. Here's a dark thought.

Many of the readers here--I for one--are convinced that this country is now being run by murderous, amoral fascists who were willing to do anything to get into the White House. And Joe Lieberman has aligned himself with those people.

But when, precisely, did that alignment occur?

Sorta makes you wonder what sort of plans these people had for Al Gore if he had won, doesn't it?

[saracat]

47. Now THAT is creepy. It could explain why Al didn't run in 2004.

I never bought the excuse given.He had a moral imperative and it appeared he would run and stunningly reversed course. And he wasn't afraid of the DLC, sooo?

[screenplaya]

44. LIE-BEER-MAN

I'm sick of the lies and endless sports analogies.

[BigDDem]

46. He hasnt hit a home run with you?

[doc03]

48. What's this say about Bill Clinton, he couldn't

even bail out Lieberman? I guess Hillary will suddenly discover she was a Democrat.

[BigDDem]

50. NEWSFLASH!!!

The election was about Lieberman, not the Clintons.

[doc03]

51. Bill Clinton was supposed to have some kind

of Magic Touch, I am just saying it didn't seem to help Lieberman. I will be surprised if Lieberman doesn't win the General election. Doesn't the more liberal wing of the party vote in the Primaries just like the more Conservative wing of the Republicans vote in theirs? I wouldn't get too excited about Lieberman just yet.

[KalicoKitty]

52. We need Democratic Senators who VOTE Democratic and support our party!

:kick:


Lieberman is a Bush butt-kissing hypocrite!

[mitchum]

54. Once again, the doctor is right

[leesa]

58. Why aren't these words coming out of Harry Reid's mouth though?

He needs to get his Senator's in line.