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NorthernSun Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:28 PM
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Top officer in Stockwell shooting in line for promotion
The senior police officer involved in the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes is being backed for promotion to the upper echelons of British policing by Sir Ian Blair, the Guardian has learned.

Commander Cressida Dick is applying to be a deputy assistant commissioner in the Metropolitan police, a month after finding out she will not face criminal prosecution over the killing of Mr De Menezes at Stockwell tube station in July 2005.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/menezes/story/0,,1840288,00.html

Commit murder and get a promotion.
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kurth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:32 PM
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1. Her significant achievement:
"During the year it took the IPCC to investigate, Ms Dick is said to have impressed her bosses with the way she coped with the pressure. 'The commissioner felt the way Cressida handled the last 12 months was exceptional,' one senior Scotland Yard source said. 'She kept her head down and caused him no grief.'"
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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:47 PM
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3. yeah, she did'nt shoot any WHITE people
so she 'handled the stress', as least enough to get a promotion...
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:47 PM
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19. Only shoots those ISLAMIC look alikes
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:47 PM
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2. that shooting
that shooting was a textbook "lawful but awful"

and not murder

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NorthernSun Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:56 PM
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4. Lawful where, Uzbeckistan?
Chasing an unarmed innocent man into a subway and shooting him 7 times in the head is hardly 'lawful' in a civilized society.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:03 PM
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5. it was lawful in the UK
as the review showed

based on the totality of the circumstances.

have you read the findings?

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NorthernSun Donating Member (324 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:13 PM
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6. Long way to go yet on that
Another senior Met source said there was some unease at the decision: "I'm amazed by the arrogance of it. She's potentially facing discipline charges where she could lose her job, or be reduced in rank. There is still the inquest to face."

She and the shooters have yet to face a jury. So has Ian Blair.

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LivingInTheBubble Donating Member (360 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:03 PM
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7. Then the laws are clearly wrong.
I didn't think judge dredd was an ideal for policing.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:09 PM
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12. the laws
are designed to take into account totality of circumstances known to the actor at the time of the incident, the "reasonable man" standard, but not 20/20 hindsight

this sometimes results in the fabled "lawful but awful" type of case
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:10 PM
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8. bullshit - it was a cover-up there was no reason to shoot him
they ordered everyone off the train, they had him completely under their control, then they blew his brains out FOR NOTHING, execution style.

It's pathetic and the cops who pulled triggers should all be given life sentences.
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:12 PM
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9. whatsmore, they've been caught in MANY lies about this, see here:
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 05:19 PM by anotherdrew
Documents and photographs leaked to ITV News demonstrate that the entire story used by the police, the media and the government to excuse the killing of the young Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes in London was a lie.

On every important detail, what the public were told was a fabrication. Rather than the accidental victim of an anti-terror operation, de Menezes was the victim of a state execution. The aim of this operation was to send a message to the British public that democratic rights count for nothing—a message that was made explicit by Prime Minister Tony Blair when he declared that the “rules of the game” have now changed.

In the immediate aftermath of de Menezes’ killing on July 22, media reports, supposedly backed by eyewitnesses, claimed that the young Brazilian had been seen leaving the home of a suspected terrorist wearing a bulky overcoat on a hot day. When challenged by police at Stockwell subway station, he had attempted to run, jumping a ticket barrier, before being overpowered and shot multiple times in the head in order to prevent the possible detonation of a bomb.

Statements and photographs leaked from the official Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) being held into the shooting show that none of this is true.

De Menezes left his flat and boarded a bus on his way to work, from which point he was placed under surveillance and followed. The only reason given for this by the police is that he had “Mongolian eyes” and looked like a suspect. Also contrary to previous claims, everything that took place at Stockwell station was captured on CCTV. This footage shows:

* De Menezes was not wearing a belt or jacket that could have concealed weapons—he was wearing a denim jacket.

* At no point was he challenged by the police, all of whom were in plain clothes. This flatly contradicts the statement made by Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Ian Blair that he refused to obey police instructions.

* De Menezes did not leap over the ticket barrier to the underground station where the shooting took place but entered normally. He did not run away from the police, as he was completely unaware he was being followed. Rather, he picked up a free newspaper as he slowly descended the elevator to the platform.

* De Menezes did not trip or stumble as he ran on to the train in an attempt to evade arrest, thus allowing police to “capture” him. Instead he had boarded the train and was seated when he was shot through the head.

At this point accounts in the documents differ slightly as to what happened. One version states that a police officer walked up to de Menezes and, without warning, shot him repeatedly in the head. Another paints a conflicting but equally chilling picture.

===
The abrogation of democratic rights has reached the point where the type of death squads associated with South American dictatorships or with Britain’s occupation of Northern Ireland are being used on the streets of London. And things will not end there. Measures announced by Blair on August 5 will be used to criminalise all forms of political dissent. The government intends to give itself unprecedented powers to deport and exclude any foreign national or naturalised citizen it deems a potential security threat and to extend the use of virtual house arrest against British citizens. It will be able to ban organisations and publications on the vague pretext that they “condone” terrorism, and close places of worship. It will respond to any legal challenge to these proposals by abrogating the Human Rights Act.

Those responsible for the de Menezes killing must be brought to account. But this cannot be accomplished by relying on the IPCC or any other legal body.
===

WAKE UP folks, and do please, TRY TO PAY ATTENTION!
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:10 PM
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13. that's groovy
but you don't provide a link to the source documents or video that you are analyzing

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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:01 PM
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14. please...
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:04 PM
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15. ok ok - here's links...
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:32 PM
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16. excellent...
i will check these out.

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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:37 PM
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17. news shouldn't call Ms. Dick top officer, she's probably not to blame
the shooters were part of another team that she handed off command too.
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sgxnk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:43 PM
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18. to blame
im not close to convinced anybody is to "blame" since at this point the evidence i have seen points to lawful but awful

ill review yer links tho and see what it adds to the totality of circs

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zreosumgame Donating Member (862 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:04 PM
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10. and the wrong guy at that
this is one reason why the law is an ass
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anotherdrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:08 PM
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11. they didn't even chase him they STALKED him n/t
all the lies have come out, EVERYthing the cops said turned out to be bull
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