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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:49 AM
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Salazar in a Tight Spot (pledged support to Lieberman)
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4903995,00.html

Salazar in a tight spot
Colo. senator says defeated Lieberman worthy of support

Ken Salazar said he was "disappointed" by Lieberman's loss in primary.

WASHINGTON - Sen. Ken Salazar is in an awkward position after Tuesday's U.S. Senate primary in Connecticut.

Salazar has pledged to work to re-elect incumbent Sen. Joe Lieberman in November, even though Lieberman now plans to run as an independent after losing the Democratic primary to challenger Ned Lamont on Tuesday.

"I am disappointed in the outcome," Salazar said in a statement Tuesday night. "Sen. Lieberman is a good friend and a good man who has contributed greatly to the nation and the state of Connecticut. He has sought to pursue common ground and worked to transcend the partisan poison of Washington, D.C."

...

Salazar is one of a handful of national Democrats vowing to campaign against the party's nominee, Lamont, and for the independent, Lieberman, from now until November.
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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:53 AM
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1. What happen to party discipline?
What happen to people choice?

What a mess. This guys all dumb.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:54 AM
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2. "who is Salazar" ?
i think that's what most will think . more important will be the bigger names nationally such as Clinton, Gore etc. and they have already said they will support Lamont. and next important will be the major players in Connecticut, especially Chris Dodd.

but Lieberman may sink himself even with major help as he did in the Primary. he just appears more pathetic everytime i see or hear about what he is doing. he has contradicted himself so many times and just appears desperate.

anyone know what Chris Dodd will do ?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:56 AM
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5. Exactly
Salazer isn't considered a predominant Democrat and his ability to raise money is severely limited.

For all practical purposes, his support for Lieberman is meaningless.
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PeterPan Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:42 AM
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11. In an interesting historical irony
Chris Dodd's father Thomas Dodd was once in a similar situation:
:

Dodd was elected as a Democrat to the House of Representatives in 1952, and served two terms. He lost a Senate election in 1956 to Prescott S. Bush, but was elected in 1958 to Connecticut's other Senate seat and then re-elected in 1964. In 1967 he was censured by the Senate for using campaign funds for personal purposes. In 1970, after suffering a heart attack, he chose not to run for re-election for the Senate, and the Democrats nominated Joseph Duffey to replace him. However, Dodd entered the race after the primary as an independent, and both he and Duffey lost to Republican Lowell Weicker.

Of course it was Lowell Weicker that Liebermann defeated in 1988 to reach the Senate. At the time Lieberman vowed he would never run for a fourth term like Weicker.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:13 PM
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32. I believe I saw he is supporting Lamont. n/t
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:54 AM
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3. This may irritate some...
but I'd pull Salazar's committee positions before I'd pull Liebermans if Salazar does this.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:55 AM
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4. not sure it will matter
Salazar is a Freshman Senator in a minority party. doesn't have much power to begin with.
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:57 AM
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7. It will matter if the Democrats take control of the Senate
Then his committee positions become more important.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:08 AM
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10. i doubt Harry Reid will do that
the Colorado Senate win was a major victory for Democrats. it would do no good to do anything that risks us losing it. and Salazar doesn't have much power or influence in Connecticut anyways so it wouldn't make much difference. it's just not worth it.

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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:01 AM
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9. Agreed. (nt)
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:37 AM
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14. The day that happens Salazar goes Republican
Do we like being in the minority?
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dolstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:50 AM
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25. Does the left-wing like being in the minority? HELL YES!!
If the left-wing really wanted to be in the majority, they'd be trying to expand the party rather than purging it of its moderates. They'd be devoting their time and resources to defeating Republicans instead of defeating Democrats. Frankly, I think it's pretty obvious that the left-wing would rather have a leaner and meaner party than a "big tent" party, even though, in a country where die-hard conservatives significantly outnumber die-hard liberals, the former approach is doomed to failure.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:24 AM
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27. LIEberman is no "moderate". He is a quisling. (nt)
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saigon68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 12:11 PM
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30. Joementum Limpmann is a disrupter who needs to be
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:19 PM
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34. What's the point in a two-party system
without an opposition party?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:06 PM
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38. Do Democrats like their votes to actually be taken SERIOUSLY?
You bet!

Derrrr.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:37 PM
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41. Lieberman was scarcely a "moderate"
n/t
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:00 PM
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31. So, what should we do about Democrats who campaign against
Democrats? Give 'em gold stars or what?
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:56 AM
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6. note to self--call idiot ken's office first thing this morning and blast
him, once again. I keep telling him that if we had wanted a conservative catholic republican, we could have voted for pete (love my family's products) coors. sighhhhh.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:04 AM
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23. Yep, I'm sending this info to my family out in Denver.
They'll hopefully direct some meaningful ire Salazar's way.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:58 AM
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8. well, Mr. Salazar--it is better to re-think rather than stay the course
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ShockediSay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:15 AM
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12. Note from a CT voter to Mr Salazar ...F*** Off!!! nt
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deacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 04:29 AM
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13. he's a dem backing an independent? maybe he should go the way of joe
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:27 AM
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15. If my senator, Ken Salazar, persists in supporting Lieberman
I guarantee that I will actively oppose him and support whatever progressive runs a third party campaign against him when he is up for re-election. He will never get another vote from me again if he goes through with this.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:30 AM
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17. Don't tell us, tell him
Email him, fax him and call him. He needs to hear Democrats feel he is letting down the Democratic party.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:50 AM
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20. He certainly is going to hear from me. n/t
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:39 AM
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16. Why do Democrats keep electing people like Salazar?
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:38 AM
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18. Because they keep running people like Coors against him
Sigh.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:52 AM
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26. SO that Pete Coors doesn't get in the Senate.
You may live in a place where liberalism wins elections, but not everyone does. I'd take Salazar or Lierberman here in Texas any day over what we have.
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bling bling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:48 PM
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45. I'd take Salazar or Lieberman too.
Over the two conservative buttheads I have in my state. The only good thing I can say about them is that they actually respond when you call or e-mail. Well, not personally. But they have one of their people respond. Not that it matters because they don't care about the Dems in their state one iota, they cater strictly to the conservatives only.

I have a feeling that neither one of these guys will ever be voted out, either. We can try to get Talent out this November. I'm hopeful but not getting my hopes too far up.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 07:41 AM
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19. Dems are in bad shape..
.. totally gutless and sold-out if they support Lieberman.

They have totally lost their way as the party of the people.

This is so sad.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 10:07 AM
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24. Give them some time to turn around ....
... but give them a kick in the ass, first, to get 'em moving. We call them our "leaders", but in a representative democracy *we're* the leaders and our elected officials are simply supposed to represent us and address our concerns.

Remember... of, by and for.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:58 AM
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21. Salazar Votes More w/ GOP Than Lieberman
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 09:59 AM by otohara
I can't stand him and won't be voting for him again! Not to mention, he keeps interjecting himself in controversial issues over and over.
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 09:59 AM
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22. Why does Salazar hate our freedoms?
Is he like Bush? Does he only recognize elected officials who are friends of his and who he agrees with?

Doesn't he believe in democracy?

Doesn't he understand that the Senate is not some lifetime appointment, but senators can actually be voted out of office for not reflecting the views of their constituents.

Isn't he embarassed to suggest that he won't honor the voters of CT and will actively try to sabotage a democratic election for a democratic candidate?

Does he need to change parties, too?

I'm so tired of this DLC bullshit and their connivance with the Republicans to pretend we have a two party system.

Time to throw ALL these assholes OUT
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:50 AM
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28. If he does not support the Democrat, then I would support the independent
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 12:10 PM by w4rma
candidate running against him. DLCers shouldn't play with fire. They might get burnt.

I've opposed the Green Party in the past, but perhaps they have a role to play in enforcing DLC loyalty to the Democratic Party?
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 11:58 AM
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29. What other Dem's? Salazar is the only one I have heard of and it
might be a matter of friendship on his party.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:05 PM
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44. Schumer's silence is deafening
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 03:11 PM by mitchtv
they were after all, separated at birth
OK,OK He's off the hook, I justsaw a statement he signed w/ Reid. I hope he is genuine, I doubt it,he's anothe AIPAC senator
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:15 PM
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33. Um, no - Lieberman did not work to
"transcend the partisan poison of Washington, D.C." He embraced the ultra-partisanism of the Repukes.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:24 PM
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35. I thought these DLC types presented themselves as loyal Democrats?
Edited on Wed Aug-09-06 01:34 PM by Dr Fate
So now the DLC is basically a front for conservative Independent Party members running against Democrats?

I rememeber when I used to join them in fighting Green spoilers- and now THIS?????

Shame, shame, SHAME.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:38 PM
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36. They were - when they thought they would WIN.
Now that they LOST, this just proves all their talk about "supporting the party" is just bullshit - they are all phoneys.

SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEES OR SHUT UP AND GET OUT OF THE WAY.

It's that simple.

Their true colors are showing.

Just as WE - the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party - knew all along...
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 01:52 PM
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37. I always vote straight DEM. I thought I the DLC agreed w/ me on at that.
Apparently not.

I need some guidelines here- I thought the "grown-ups" in the DLC were at least for party loyalty.

I guess DLC "party loyalty" only applies when the Democrat in question leans right or supports Bush on the major issues. Otherwise some of them seem to be encouraging spoilers and vote splitting.

Will the DLC be funneling money to the C.T. Independent Party now?
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:10 PM
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39. I am simply SHOCKED, Doctor.
SHOCKED that they would do such a thing.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:36 PM
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40. I know- I thought that only "the far left" acted that way. ;)
;)

At least according those folks who are apparently now members of the C.T. Independent Party.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 02:41 PM
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42. He and Lieberbush should be immediately stripped of all
Senate committee memberships by Harry Reid. Let him and Lieberbush form their own party.
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Bretttido Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 03:02 PM
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43. By all means, maintain your support of Lieberman
But don't look shocked when you are left in the gutter by the people whose vote for Lamont you've ignored. And all you will have left to show for it is support from an ex-Senator named Joe who cares more about his own power than the people he supposedly represents. In other words, you will have NOTHING!
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