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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:51 PM
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Was the BP pipeline problem preventable? (Criminal Investigation)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14251436/

When British Petroleum (BP) shut down a vital oil pipeline, the company blamed "unexpectedly severe corrosion" in transit pipes. Yet only five months ago, BP's aging pipeline created the largest-ever oil spill on Alaska’s North Slope.

Federal regulators blamed the spill on "internal corrosion" and said in some areas the walls of the pipes were so corroded they were almost paper-thin.

So critics and industry experts say the latest problem was hardly a surprise.

"I think this was predictable and preventable," says Phil Flynn, an energy analyst with Alaron Trading Corp.

In fact, allegations about BP's maintenance practices have been so persistent that a criminal investigation now is under way into whether BP has for years deliberately shortchanged maintenance and falsified records to cover it up.

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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 06:53 PM
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1. Certainly, but sucking off profits was more tempting than investing
...in the future. Time to nationalize the oil industry suppliers, distributors and refiners.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:07 PM
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4. In your dreams!
Well maybe mine as well, but it will be a long time before it is anything more than a dream. Nationalization is anathema to any good capitalist and as you have probably noticed, that is who runs this Country. It is also why you were taught with such strident fervency that Capitalism good, socialism bad, communism very bad. There will be none of this nationalizing talk in this Country!

Are you a some kinda Red or something, boy?
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 05:40 PM
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9. Not Red, just trying to be realistic about the direction which all of
...this corporate looting, political corruption and official lies are taking the country. In Germany 1933 it let to the dominance by Hitler's National Socialist Party which was fascism and a very tight corporate oligarchy which enriched a small circle of industrialists and old wealth families and enslaved the rest of the German people to the dictatorial control by the nazi party. The other extreme would be a democratic socialism like so many Western countries like Sweden and the UK attempted after WWII, but failed.

Or we could look at a pure form of Communism as Karl Marx described which has never actually been attempted on a large scale anywhere in the world yet. Kicking corrupt greedy capitalists out of essential industries such as energy, transportation, medical care, pharmacological industries, just to name a few would be an excellent place to begin. I think nationalization of these sectors of the economy would yield substantial benefits to the vast majority of people almost immediately. Where it would go from there would be a matter of how quickly the U.S. economy could be returned to self-sufficiency. Right now the whole economy is heading for a crash.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:06 PM
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2. I don't think its a problem
They are shutting down production to make even greater profits
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:06 PM
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3. If there was criminal malfeasance...
There will be little way to not put people in jail, in the eyes of the public.

This will be a net win for us, when it shakes out, Painful for the country, but it will shift a lot of opinion and allegiance.

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:09 PM
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5. So here is my argument for why America should not
sell, allow the lease or any other type of ownership of Any industry that impacts US Infrastructure.

The Port deal another example....

The US has no control over these companies.....now America is at the mercy of this country.....

The Dems should be pushing this....
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:04 PM
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11. Federal regulators, Dept of Energy and EPA are all at fault.
They are the ones that should have been watching out for the public's interest. They are just part of the culture of corruption that pervades Washington.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 07:20 PM
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6. Someone was on the Al Franken show today
The guy was talking about how the corporation pressured and ultimately fired somebody who was doing a complete inspection of the pipeline joints before it opened. He said that as a result, something like 600 joints were left uninspected right from the start.

I only caught a small bit of it. Did anyone else hear it?
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 09:02 PM
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8. Here's the story: Transcript from PBS American Experience
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pipeline/filmmore/pt.html

The important part:

Early in 1976 the national media reported that thousands of welds made in the previous year might be fatally flawed.

Walter Cronkite (archival): The Transportation Department, which sets safety standards for all pipelines, opens new hearings tomorrow on the trouble-plagued Alaska Pipeline. Those troubles threaten the fragile Alaskan environment, the timetable for delivering oil to the rest of the country, and the price of that oil.

Narrator: Every one of the 108,000 pipeline welds was supposed to be x-rayed, inspected for flaws, and certified... an enormous task that quickly overwhelmed the companies hired to do the job.

Bill Fowler: One of the subcontractors got behind and pulled a trick that had been learned in the industry long before, is that you find a good weld and you x-ray it 10 or 15 times from a different angle and then call it ten or fifteen different x-rays and then say, well, the next 15 joints are in good shape, now we can move ahead and you get caught up.

When the deception came to light, it was a major scandal and Congress demanded answers from those in charge.

Bill Howitt: It was disastrous because it threw the whole quality control program and quality assurance program for everything on the pipeline into question. It was like, well, if something as simple as an x-ray, you know, can't get done right, what, what else is buried?

Until Frank Moolin's people could sort out which x-rays had been faked, all 30,800 field welds to-date were under suspicion.

By laboriously crosschecking every x-ray, they were able to find the all the duplicates and narrow the number of suspects to 3955. More than half were in buried pipe, some beneath rivers.

Bill Howitt: You're already schedule driven, you've got every resource stressed, all right, now you're going to go out and dig up hundreds of existing places and x-ray them and re-weld them if you have to. And in the case of several river crossings actually go back in a couple of miles under a river and look at the weld.

Narrator: In the end, some 1900 welds needed minor repair. Another thirty-seven had to be cut out and re-done. It was an expensive and embarrassing setback. But the schedule suffered the most damage.

To get the oil flowing in 1977, they had to finish welding pipe before winter set in at the end of 1976, and that was looking more and more doubtful.

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DemCapitalist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-08-06 08:09 PM
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7. Sure, it was preventable.
All they had to do was not build it in the first place.
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katinmn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 06:02 PM
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10. Another example of corporations running the government
No accountability. Thank god one senator refused to look the other way. And what about the corrupt overseers? Why weren't they doing their jobs?

I hope BP is fined millions of dollars. I think BP should be forced to sell to a company that actually monitors its pipelines. BP didn't maintain the the lines for over a dozen years. Bastards.
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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-09-06 08:11 PM
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12. Great article by Palast covering this subjec....

Unbridled capitalism at its finest!


BRITISH PETROLEUM’S “SMART PIG”
Published by Greg Palast August 8th, 2006 in Articles
The Brilliantly Profitable Timing of the Alaska Oil Pipeline Shutdown

by Greg Palastalskapipeline
For The Guardian (UK)
Tuesday, August 9, 2006

Is the Alaska Pipeline corroded? You bet it is. Has been for more than a decade. Did British Petroleum shut the pipe yesterday to turn a quick buck on its negligence, to profit off the disaster it created? Just ask the “smart pig.”

Years ago, I had the unhappy job of leading an investigation of British Petroleum’s management of the Alaska pipeline system. I was working for the Chugach villages, the Alaskan Natives who own the shoreline slimed by the 1989 Exxon Valdez tanker grounding.

Even then, courageous government inspectors and pipeline workers were screaming about corrosion all through the pipeline. I say “courageous” because BP, which owns 46% of the pipe and is supposed to manage the system, had a habit of hunting down and destroying the careers of those who warn of pipeline problems.

http://www.gregpalast.com/british-petroleums-smart-pig
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