Brazilian synagogue attacked

[DemFromMem]

Brazilian synagogue attacked
A synagogue in Brazil was attacked.

Molotov cocktails and rocks were thrown Saturday at the synagogue in Campinas, about 60 miles north of Sao Paulo.

“Lebanon, the True Holocaust” was painted on the sidewalk outside the synagogue, Brazilian officials said.

No one was injured in the incident.


http://www.jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=4068&ref=daily_briefing

[FSogol]

1. I'll say it first: "A brazillion synagogues attacked?"

How many is that again?

[cali]

2. Ugly stuff.

Let's hope it doesn't escalate. It's disgusting that bigots rationalize their antisemitism by what Israel is doing. It's just a fig leaf for hatred that already exists.

[Karenca]

5. iT SEEMS TO BE ESCALATING

I blame it all on bush.
bush is no friend to Israel.

[mom cat]

13. True. Friends don't let friends commit war crimes.

[Bretttido]

62. Haha, great line

:rofl:

[Ian David]

24. Agreed. Bush is either Immanentizing The Eschaton...

or else wants to destroy Israel with "Kindness."

Bush is the guy at the bar going, "You gonna let him say that about your mama? C'mon, you can take him..."

And the resulting backlash against the Jews is all part of the Bush Neo-Con agenda.

[Karenina]

54. BINGO, IAN!!!

IG and I double-teamed on this YEARS AGO. We read the writing on the wall WITHOUT OUR GLASSES! ;-)

[struggle4progress]

41. How about blaming this sort of crap on ugly anti-semitism instead?

The people in Brazil aren't responsible for neocon warmongering.

[Minstrel Boy]

6. Olmert is doing all he can to paint targets on Jews around the world

"I believe that this is a war fought by all the Jews."

Language worthy of a Jihadist.

[Karenca]

Olmert should go

fuck himself.

Fuck you Olmert----You don't speak for me.

[breakaleg]

7. I agree. As terrible as this act is, it didn't happen in a vacuum.

[question everything]

22. No, he believes Nassrallah

who said that he wished all the world Jews were in Israel, so that it would save Hezbollah from going after the Jews worldwide.

I think that we should take Nassrallah at his words.

[Karenina]

23. Indeed he is, MB!

What a stupendously stupid, ill-considered public entreaty, eclipsing his suggestion of German troops south of the Litani. :eyes:

[cc488is]

48. Yeah, this is all

Olmert's fault....SHEESH!

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

18. If fucking BRAZIL becomes a hate crime spot, the world is doomed.

However, previous history points to a very limited band of morons that pulls such shit from time to time. NO escalation, at least not in this neck of the woods. (See research by me and Aegis downthread)

[Ian David]

26. But it wasn't anti-semitism. They just disagreed with Israel's policies

:sarcasm:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

45. Are you implying that all of the brazillion people (sorry) at DU...

...who disagree with Israel's policies are actually antisemites and potential terrorists?

Nah, you wouldn't be dishonestly conflating the two things like that. :sarcasm:

[muryan]

60. No just the ones responsible for this crime

n/t

[Irreverend IX]

39. Damn, you beat me to it. nt

[MrCoffee]

3. In spite of myself

I read this and thought "How horrible." Then I thought, "What the hell does klezmer samba sound like?"

I'm going to hell, aren't I?

[cali]

4. Nah,

it could sound pretty good, don't you think?

[robinlynne]

19. good one mrCoffee.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

8. Nothing in the major Brazilians newspaper sites yet.

And those tend to be fast.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

12. Ah, found it. Happened Friday night. UPDATE: Translation by yours truly.

In Portuguese: http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/cotidiano/ult95u124721.shtml


Criminals throw rocks and bombs at Campinas synagogue

At least six people threw rocks and two homemade bombs at the entrance of the synagogue of Brazilian Israelite Society Beth Jacob, in Campinas (95 km away from São Paulo) this Friday night.

According to police, the devices exploded and damaged the building's main door. neighbors put out the flames with fire extinguishers. Nobody was wounded.

The Society's president, Pedro Tiago, said the criminals wrote "Lebanon, the true holocaust" in white paint on the sidewalk in front.

He further said it's not the first attack against the synagogue. According to him, there were grafitti and shooting incidents previously. He went on to say nobody was on the premises at the moment of the attack. Security was reinforced and the case reported at the local precinct.

[Behind the Aegis]

16. A Tarde Online

Sociedade israelense sofre atentado em Campinas

Agencia Estado
A Sociedade Israelense Brasileira Beth Jacob, de Campinas, interior de São Paulo, foi alvo de um atentado no final da noite de ontem. Dois homens brancos usando roupas escuras atiraram quatro pedras de mosaico português e um coquetel molotov contra os vidros da porta da entrada principal do local. As chamas foram contidas por vizinhos com extintores de incêndio. Os agressores fugiram em um carro que os esperava próximo ao prédio. Na calçada em frente à Sociedade, os homens escreveram, com tinta amarela, a seguinte frase: "Líbano o verdadeiro Holocausto Líbano".

Em Campinas a comunidade israelense é formada por 180 famílias, aproximadamente 480 pessoas, segundo o presidente da Sociedade, Pedro Tiago. Não é a primeira vez que acontecem atentados contra eles. "Há 13 anos foi um coquetel molotov e há dez anos um disparo de arma de fogo. Já perdemos as contas das pichações e das ameaças feitas por cartas e telefonemas", disse o presidente.

source

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. Yep, found it in Folha de São Paulo.

Took long because I was searching for breaking news.

Fucking morons. How very KKK-ish. Go there in the middle of the night to freak folks out. Bleh.

[Behind the Aegis]

20. off-topic: Are you in Brasil?

I am not familiar with their lead newspapers, but the one I cited seemed to be pretty even-handed (and easy to read...I haven't used Portuguese in a LOOOOONG time).

As for the attack, it seems (in my search), it wasn't the first time that synagogue was attacked. I don't know what Jewish life is like in Brasil, as I do in other countries. It is not something often heard about, in general.

(I used the "s" instead of the "z.")

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

21. Yep, Brazil.

And please, no need to spell it with an S. The name of this country in English is Brazil. You don't see Swedes demanding you call their country Sverige, do you?

In Rio, where I live, incidents of antisemitism are totally unheard of*. That that one made the news gives you a good idea of how prevalent they are country-wide.

And yes, the biggest Brazilian papers are pretty even-handed on every issue compared to USA ones. But that's not much praise, is it?

* BTW, I pass by a synagogue on my way to work every day.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

9. There's no excuse for this.

I'm one of the loudest critics of Israel here, and this is absolutely deplorable.

[Karenca]

10. I blame bush. eom

[cali]

11. I blame the idiots who did it. n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

14. I blame a lot of people

But none more than the perpetrators. This, more than anything else that I've seen with regard to this horror of an issue, is anti-Semitism.

Still, Bush, Olmert, and the millions of people whom fervently rubberstamp the policies of a terrorist Israeli state also share a large portion of the blame. They have conspired to tarnish the reputation of Jews everywhere in the same way that Hezbollah, Al Qaeda, and other terrorist factions have tarnished Muslims, and in the same way Jerry Falwell, Ann Coulter, and the other Christofascists have sullied Christianity. I wonder when people will begin to learn that organized religion is the reason for their problems and not the solution.

[Karenca]

15. Oh, yes....I still blame bush

but organized religion is usually what starts most wars.

[Chi-Town Exile]

29. No, ignorant fucking assholes cause this shit.

Every Anti-Semitic post on this website enables these type of actions.

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[Ian David]

27. Lots of blame to go around. You have hit the nail right on the head.

However, I think you are unfairly tarnishing Pastafarians when you say that ALL organized religions are bad. The Flying Spaghetti monster forgives you, though. That's because His Noodly Appendage touches us all.

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[Endangered Specie]

28. what prompted that post?

:shrug:

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[Endangered Specie]

38. Well I can't speak for all of the DU community...

but I think there is a difference between being vehementy opposed to Isreals military actions versus that of being actually anti-Jew. I sincerely doubt that, bigotry is not tolerated here, and I doubt anyone (or very few) believe that Israel has no right to exist.

Most of us are very opposed to the 2003 War and what we have done to Iraq, but none of us question the US' right to exist.

[DemFromMem]

43. If you believe there is no bigotry here,

you are sadly naive. I've seen plenty of posts that are both anti-Jewish and quite explicit in denying the Jewish state's right to exist.

[JudyM]

56. So true. eom

[Endangered Specie]

57. If thats so click the alert button...

Make sure you re-visit those posts to see if they still exist.

[Chi-Town Exile]

47. You're right that vehemently opposing Israel's military actions

is not Anti-Jew and I agree with your assertion that opposing the 2003 war does not question the US' right to exist. I vehemently oppose Bush and his blood thirsty war machine.

However, there are so many people on this message board that continue to cross the line regarding Israel/Jews. Additionally, they rally around terrorist (yes, they are terrorists) groups that have stated their goal is to destroy Israel (push it into the sea) and kill every last Israeli man, woman and child. (It's beginning to look like Israel is trying to do the same with Lebanese civilians, IMHO.) So when I support Israel, I am supporting the survival of the Jewish people. I'm sorry if that makes me "tribal" as many posters suggest when any American Jew decides to support Israel, but IMO I can't take away my "tribal" designation because I believe that there are too many human beings on this planet that will continue to judge me by my "tribal" affiliation and call for the death of me, my family and the community that I identify with.

I have stated many many times in many different threads that American Jewish support of the state of Israel does not mean that American Jews support everything the Israeli government does.

Unfortunately, the majority of people on DU that post about the ME can't make that distinction. They believe that we are raving lunatic members of AIPAC that put Israel's interests above those of the US. In my case, that would not be an accurate description of me.

[Endangered Specie]

59. I wonder if there isn't some misunderstanding involved on both sides

Perhaps thats a problem with text based only communication, but it seems that both sides often think the other is supporting far more radical positions than they actually have

for example
one who says he wholly supports Israel may not fully support the military actions in Lebanon, but saying "I support Israel" may be taken as such.
visa versa
Saying one has great sympathy for the Lebanon, but does not support Hezbollah may be misinterpreted as support for terrorists, since Hezbollah is technically in Lebanon. etc...

If that makes any sense, but what does make sense to me is your feeling of alienation, it can be pretty hard to be in a small minority on DU (My anti-Castro and Chavez views, to name a few, are definitly not popular here).

[DemFromMem]

42. Don't you get it?

We're just bunch of paranoid cry babies. Anti-semitism is all in our head.

[Endangered Specie]

30. Seconded.

although I am curious why, of all places, this happened in Brasil

[Chi-Town Exile]

33. I know I'll get flamed for bringing up the Holocaust once again ...

(Jews are no longer allowed to do so on DU) but in reality a great number of Nazi's fled to Brazil and Argentina after WWII to escape being tried for war crimes.

Therefore, this type of violence isn't a big shock.

[PCIntern]

34. Right you are, pal..

You're not alone here...there are a few of us left who haven't fled DU for other sites. Keep up the good work.



WATCH OUT...INCOMING!!!!

[Scurrilous]

40. Love the other site.

re: Baruch Goldstein, "May his memory be a blessing." :thumbsup:

[Endangered Specie]

36. Not from me...

your explination seems reasonable.

(there is a difference between being anti-semitic and being greatly opposed to the actions of a government and its military).

[DemFromMem]

44. Sad truth

I have Jewish relatives in Chile, Argentina and Brazil and this is not a new or shocking development. I've heard these kinds of stories for years. And as an immigration lawyer, I've had several Jewish asylum cases for Venezuelans of late. I know that will be a great shock to the many people on this web site who regard Hugo Chavez as a folk hero who can do no wrong. Read the recent government and NGO human rights reports on Venezuela and you'll learn what's happening in that country.

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[IndianaGreen]

31. The Diaspora Jews will get blamed for the war crimes of Israel's govenment

Innocents are being bombed in Lebanon, including the shelling of a Palestinian camp in Lebanon, so it would follow that innocent Diaspora Jews will get blamed for the Olmert/Peretz government.

[Endangered Specie]

37. The common problem on both sides being the extreme nuts...

suprisingly enough the vast majority of the nuts are right-wingers (be them religious fanatics, nationistic fools, or bigots, theres a common demoninator here).

[smitty]

51. So Jews worldwide share collective guilt for Israel's actions?

Based on that logic why can't I burn down a mosque in Indiana in retaliation for 9/11?

[Karenina]

55. The Israeli neo-cons

have done their best to obscure the line between the Jewish FAITH and Israeli politics and in their success have painted a target on the back of every Jew in the world. It's SICK SHIT.

[cali]

61. That's pulled

right out of..... somewhere. First off, as far as I know there aren't any Israeli neocons. Neoconservatism is an American movement about American power and its uses. And I've never heard word one about Israeli leaders (who are a pretty non-religious lot, excluding certain not in power parties) conflating faith and politics. And for those of you who just fucking don't get it; yes that would be you, antisemites who attack Jews are simply using Israel's actions as a cover. Your response was so ignorant as to be pathetic. Of course you don't have a shred of evidence to back up your little thesis.

[IndianaGreen]

63. You are reading something in my post that I did not write

but I am sure it is an honest mistake on your part.

:eyes:

[cali]

58. That's simply a fig leaf

for latent hatred. It's an excuse for the inexcusable. Antisemitism has nothing to do with blaming the Israeli government for its actions.

[FarrenH]

35. Defacing synagogues in Brazil because of Israel's assault on Lebanon

is as justified as as attacking Muslims in Australia because of 9/11. In other words, its not. Frankly, I find some of the sympathetic posts on this thread slightly disturbing.

While Israel enjoys a large amount of support in Jewish communities around the world, there are Jews who outright condemn Israel's heavyhandedness. In South Africa, where I live, a vocal minority of Jews have formed an organisation called "Not in our name" to protest what it sees as Israeli "Apartheid" policies. Admittedly the SA Jewish community is generally very pro-Israel, but so are a lot of conservative Christians and you don't see their churches being attacked over Israel's policies. This is just wrong.

[Superman Returns]

64. I think this speaks

to some of the fears of Jewish posters here on DU. When people on DU say Israel is a terrorist state or purposely killing civilians, they specifically point out that they are criticizing the Jewish state, not Jews themselves. They staunchly deny any anti-semitism. While they may personally feel that way, its the jump in conclusions by people such as the attackers in Brazil that use the mathetmatical equation "Israel=Jews", that scare so many Jews like myself. So to the posters at DU who wonder why their Jewish friends take things a little personal and defensive, this is why. I understand you have a right to criticize Israel and hell, some of you may be Jews yourselves, but watch the language because this eventually leads to a slippery slope in which I've seen on other message boards, left anti-semitism come out in full swing.