Arab delegation to present Lebanon's case before UN

[leftchick]

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=81928976&p=8y9z9z78&n=81929356


Three leading Arab officials were to appear before the UN Security Council this evening to demand that a draft resolution on ending the war between Israel and Hezbollah seek Israel’s withdrawal from southern Lebanon once fighting ends.

The delegation’s request to appear before the Security Council has delayed action on a Security Council resolution.

Lebanon, backed by Arab foreign ministers, say the US-French resolution favours Israel and does not “take Lebanon’s interest and stability into account.”

The council was expected to hear arguments from all three members of the delegation: the foreign ministers of Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, and Arab League Secretary-General Amr Moussa. Representatives of Israel and Lebanon will also speak.

[saigon68]

1. Will they impress these 2 ?

NAH

[rodeodance]

2. its Bolton who needs convincing

[mom cat]

4. No country facing the kind of devistating invasion and demolition that

Lebanon has faced would be stupid enough to sign any agreement that would leave the invaders inside their country.
Israel must evaccuate the illegally occupied land at once.

[saigon68]

5. I don't think they will

Be careful what you say too. T

Those thugs from the I/P forum are accusing everyone who doesn't go along with Israel as (Bad People)

[mom cat]

9. I am used to being slandered by people who have no argument.

The aggression against Lebanon is indefensible and it is in clear violation of international law as is the the war against Iraq. I do not mind being smeared for standing up for the truth. I am safe in my own home and I bet you are too. The least we can do is to stand up for the obvious victim in this case Lebanon, who is yet another victim of US policy ... this time by proxy.

[saigon68]

11. Thank You

The funny thing is I welcome a debate the funnier the better.

I can sometimes see their pain and their hurt.

But to be called out like I have been lately

Really does no one any good.

[mom cat]

14. I just keep citing the facts. Those who use slander will be seeen for

who they really are.

[breakaleg]

6. Does Lebanon have to sign off on it? I was under the impression

the the UN could push this through regardless of how Lebanon feels. I thought this was part of the talks leading up to voting on it, but in the end, Lebanon's vote won't count if the US and others push it through.

Someone please correct me.

[mom cat]

10. Russia is not going to let it be pushed through unless it is something

the Lebanese can agree to.

[FlavaKreemSnak]

15. What can Russia really do if Israel and America order them?

They can just kick Russia off of the Security Council, it basically belongs to America. I don't even know why they are going through so much of the public relations now. And especially it doesn't matter what the Lebanese think, of course they will think they should not get bombed and occupied but as long as America and Israel want to do that, there is not anything anybody can really do, I guess they could release a statement saying they disagreed, but they might even be told not to do that.

[mom cat]

22. Things are shifting. Russia has more oil and gas than the US. It is

daring to speak up to the US more and more.

also, Fortunately, the US cannot kick Russia off the security council. Russia is one of the five permanent members of the Security Council according to the foundation documents of the UN. Russia can therefore veto resolutions that the US wants.

[FlavaKreemSnak]

24. But do those documents really apply to America?

I think it is like the Geneva conventions, etc. except those seem like they are also more for show.

How far do you think Russia would go? I wish that they would stand up to America. Ha! Now THAT is something I could NEVER say in front of any of my family!

Anyway they haven't stood up about Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Palestine, so I hope you are right but I think Russia is like any other country, and they won't stand up too much because they don't want to get bombed! And especially if they have gas and oil they are at risk for that anyway.

And they can't kick the US out of the UN for breaking the rules, even aside from getting bombed, they are in New York! I think the more likely thing would be that we would be the ones to kick Russia out if they stand up too much.

[mom cat]

25. there is a re-allignment of the countries of the world and little by l

little, power is slipping away from the US.

[bemildred]

3. Russia against draft UN resolution on Lebanon

MOSCOW, Aug. 8 (Xinhua) -- Russia is against the UN Security Council's resolution on Lebanon in its current form, Russia's UN envoy Vitaly Churkin said on Tuesday.

"It's obvious for us that we shouldn't adopt a draft, which the Lebanese don't find acceptable, as it'll only lead to an escalation of the conflict and more violence," Churkin told Russia's Vesti 24 television.

"We're making intense efforts now, making contacts and holding consultations," he said. "We're taking part in them so as to make the text of the resolution more acceptable for the Lebanese government."

The draft resolution, presented to the 15-member Security Council by the United States and France on Saturday, calls for "a full cessation of hostilities based upon, in particular, the immediate cessation by Hezbollah of all attacks and the immediate cessation by Israel of all offensive military operations."

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2006-08/08/content_4936474.htm

[Spazito]

7. Well, hmmm, guess the resolution as written by the US, France and

Israel is now in the netherworld given Russia has a veto to match creepy Bolton. Russia is right, any resolution that doesn't include Lebanon's needs is not worth the paper it is written on and should be vetoed if not changed.

[bemildred]

8. The original "proposed resolution" is toast.

What comes next I don't know. If I were to guess, I would guess this drags on for a while yet, as nobody who actually decides things (as opposed to wringing their hands and viewing with alarm) appears to be either satisfied with the present situation or willing to throw in the towel.

The interesting question to contemplate is what happens if this goes on like this for another four weeks or so, bombing from the air, a couple hundred rockets a day into N. Israel, and ground combat grinding away down along the border? Who can keep this up the longest?

Edit: I should take that back, I think Hezbullah is very happy with the present situation, which is why they will do nothing to change it.

[Spazito]

12. I think the bush cabal is also very satisfied the longer it goes

for multiple reasons:

No media attention on Iraq
Continued bombing may still bring in Iran and/or Syria
Israel is happy as long as they can keep the occupied land they now hold
Hezbollah is happy because they are putting up a strong response and gaining support accross the Arab world.

The only ones who badly want this to end are the Lebanese who are being bombed and the Israelis that are being shelled and NO ONE cares about what they think, imo.

[bemildred]

13. I don't think Israel is at all happy.

Otherwise, that's a fair enough assessment.

[Bhaisahab]

16. thats what the poster said,

and i agree - the only ones who want this to end are the lebanese who are being bombed and the israelis who are being shelled. and nobody gives a fuck about the little people.

[bemildred]

21. I disagree that the Israeli government is happy about the situation.

They are not happy at all.

[Yupster]

26. But Israel can't agree to a proposal

that lets Hezbullah move right back down to the border and start building up its missile supply again or even keep lobbing 100 or 200 over the border everyday waiting for Iran to get a nuke.

What does the Lebanese proposal do to change that situation?

Before the war started there was a UN resolution to disarm Hezbullah agreed to by Lebanon, and a UN force in southern Lebanon.

Is Lebanon's proposal to go right back to that?

[bemildred]

27. I dunno. What does it say? nt

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[Bonescrat]

29. Very good argument. Bravo.

[evox]

17. Screw those Arab Regimes

Arab leaders favor Israel as well. They were all silent since the beginning of this conflict. They were afraid of upsetting their "Ally" the United States. Whatever resolution they come up with is just as bullshit as Israel is trying to justify its position.

[Behind the Aegis]

18. LMAO!!!!

and :rofl:

[Recursion]

23. Well...

I don't know if it was that, as much as they were hoping Israel would deal a swift and humiliating defeat to Hezbollah and Iran, which would make them a little more secure. They've been nervous ever since we handed Iraq to the Shi'ites.

[jpkenny]

19. I think their case is very pursuasive. I hope others listened carefully

and listened to both sides.

[The Stranger]

20. Is Chimp too coked up to answer his phone? Where's Chucky -- shoe store?