McKinney, Johnson On-the-Air (McKinney to draft impeachment resolution?)

[The Straight Story]

McKinney, Johnson On-the-Air

Rep. Cynthia McKinney and challenger Hank Johnson debated on V-103.



Reported By: Denis O'Hayer
Web Editor: Tracey Christensen
Last Modified: 8/7/2006 5:20:52 PM

Some new polling numbers released Monday in the hotly-contested Democratic runoff for Metro Atlanta's 4th Congressional district show incumbent Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney continuing to trail her challenger. McKinney is fighting for political survival against tough competition from former two-term DeKalb County Commissioner Hank Johnson.

The latest polling numbers come from a poll of 400 likely voters conducted Friday through Sunday night by InsiderAdvantage. The poll results show Johnson leading with 53 percent of the vote, Congresswoman McKinney has 40 percent, and 7 percent of voters said they were undecided. The margin of error was plus or minus 5 percent.

Pollster Matt Towery warned that in a runoff --where turnout is usually low -- voters can change those numbers either way in a big hurry. On Monday morning, both candidates squared off on the radio in attempt to reach more voters on the Frank and Wanda in the Morning Show on V-103.

Their appearance on the show is a sign that it's the African American vote that is critical in the final hours. The InsiderAdvantage poll showed African American voters in the 4th District are still split 50-50 with no definite trend toward either candidate.

In the V-103 debate, McKinney charged that Johnson is the candidate backed by Republican voters and Republican money while Johnson pointed out that McKinney was not present for a recent House vote on a critical amendment that would have limited some of the provisions of the Voting Rights Act.

"When John Lewis was standing up, eloquently and emotionally denouncing that vote and that amendment, that Congresswoman McKinney was nowhere to be found," asserted Johnson.

"You will see on the house.gov/mckinney Website my floor statement that I made in support of the Voting Rights Act. I was there on the floor and I voted for final passage of the Voting Rights Act," McKinney said.

During their radio debate, the two were asked if they'd vote to impeach President Bush over the conduct of the war in Iraq and episodes like the abuse of prisoners at Abu Ghraib. McKinney said she would vote for impeachment and might even draft her own impeachment legislation. Johnson said he wants more congressional investigations, but said he would not hesitate to vote for impeachment if the evidence warranted.

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=83019

[Greeby]

1. I have a bad feeling in my waters

That we could be saying goodbye to Cynthia again :(

[Sweet Pea]

9. She's an embarassment

She needs to go. Hard.

[oasis]

14. Cynthia's an embarassment? Your guy "Stammerin" Hank has the

debate skills of a grade school drop out. And you want to send him to congress? :eyes:

[klook]

18. "Stammerin' Hank" - LOL!

That's the first time I've heard that. Clever reference to "Hammerin' Hank" Aaron, the greatest Brave!
:toast:

[oasis]

21. After Hank's debate performance: "Huh,humina, humina, huh,humina"

The whole time I'm thinking "Answer the damn question already".

[klook]

23. One of the most pathetic moments

was when he said "My mind is a blank" while trying to think of a second situation where U.S. military force should have been used. Only after the newsguy prompted him did he think of Bosnia, and then said something completely generic and uninformed about that.

[greccogirl]

54. Let's face it.

Anyone could run against McKinney and beat her, I suspect. She has made a fool of herself.

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. It certainly says a lot about Ms. Mckinney is she loses to this guy

[oasis]

35. It says more about 4th District voters should they elect a dopey clown

like Stammerin'Hank.:dunce:"Duh, my mind is a blank right now"---Hank Johnson on debate night.

[greccogirl]

55. Well,

at least he showed up. McKinney was afraid to, twice. People are so fed up with Cynthia that almost anyone not white and democratic could defeat her. Heck, maybe even then............

[Just Me]

16. She is a patriot for the American people.

Where the hell have you been?

Oh! Never mind. :rofl:

[greccogirl]

52. She does and

she is going..................

[loves_dulcinea]

2. talk is cheap, Ms. McKinney.

[The Straight Story]

3. True, one could wonder why she has not done so yet (nt)

[Karenina]

4. Maybe cuz she gets SO MUCH SUPPORT

from those whose interests she has dedicated herself to protecting? :shrug:

[rinsd]

5. So much so she is threatening an indy run thru her father?

[The Straight Story]

6. No Idea, but it does make me wonder

if she thinks doing it before the election is good or not.

Is she worried about re-election, or bush?

[BayCityProgressive]

7. re-election

is all she is worried about. She is useless. We have had many useful liberals like Woolsey, Conyers, Wellstone, and Feingold. McKinney is useless. She sponsors no majpr legislation and does nothing for her district. She plays the racist or zionist card with her father every chance she gets. It is a family of crazies.

[Binka]

20. Yo Dude Lynne Woolsey Is A Personal Friend Of Mine

Going back 20 years and she would be mighty pissed off at you for trashing McKinney. And with her name? Bah Lynne would stand with Cynthia NO MATTER WHAT. What is it with the "useful liberals" bullshit?

[Karenina]

8. Her record on progressive issues

is 100%. She has refused to sit down and shut up as other more prominent and powerful Dems have sold Americans down the river. So unfortunate that her spirit is not packaged in white skin with a penis...

[The Wielding Truth]

10. She has shown herself to be a strong advocate of our civil rights and I

applaud her and I applaud your post. Thanks. :applause:

[The Straight Story]

11. I don't doubt her record

just wondering why she is saying she will introduce legislation IF she wins. Why not put it in today?

She is as liberal as we could hope for, does not mean she is perfect though :)

[Pastiche423]

12. You are right on the mark, Karenina!

It upsets me so, when supposed Dems trash this strong, progressive and outspoken woman.

But, alas, they are showing their ignorance of Cynthia's history and what she has not only done for her district, but for all Dems.

It is beyond sad that too many believe the RW talking points concerning her.

[cali]

19. Her record on liberal issues is good, the problem is

that she really doesn't get anything done. Hell, my Congressman gets far more accomplished in the form of Amendments than Cynthia does, and as the only Indy, he has that obstacle in his path. She talks the talk, but she doesn't seem to put in the unglamerous, dull work with the persistency needed to actually accomplish things legislatively.

[klook]

25. So why is she rated the most effective Georgia Democrat in the U.S. House?

See http://www.cynthiaforcongress.com/news.php?id=41 for details.

[rinsd]

30. LOL...take this campaign talking point elsewhere, its been busted

Her overall ranking is near bottom of even GA Democrats.

She told a half truth designed to make herself look better. We call it spin. Welcome to the show.

http://www.godekalb.com/article.php/20060802104501882

[klook]

31. Among GA House Dems, she's ranked highest in legislative effectiveness

which is, after all, her job.

The overall "Power Rankings" on congress.org take into account seniority (which Pelosi took from her upon her return in 2004), and "influence," which is defined by congress.org as being based on factors such as media appearances, fundraising for colleagues, and caucus leadership.

I'll take the leading legislator any day over the one(s) with the most seniority, fundraising capability, TV appearances, etc. You call that "spin"? :eyes:

[rinsd]

32. Spin that you apparenlty took hook, line and sinker.

She got a 1 and the other Democrats received a zero in "legislative effectiveness".

She has a zero in political influence and by your own admission she has little chance of changing that by capturng a key committee assignment based on the dislike the Dem leadership has for her. Especially when her father has issued threats that she will pull a lieberman and go indy if she fails to win this runoff, do you think the Democrats will give her anything?

My favorite part is she is trying to make herself look better by standing on the heads of her fellow GA Democrats. Its like when a child is caught doing something and says but their sibling does it too and their own infraction is not nearly as bad as the sibling's.

[klook]

37. So tell me, what is it you like so much about her opponent?

You do remember his name, don't you?

[rinsd]

39. Simple, he's a Democrat who isn't a self aggrandizing ass.

McKinney and Lieberman may have different views but they have very much the same attitude.

On edit: I wanted to expand upon this that her supporters and her campaigns have contributed to my dislike of her greatly. She has called her primary opponents republicans, republicrats among nicer things(uncle tom, oreo etc. have also been used by her supporters). Her supporters have insisted that anyone against her must be sexist and/or racist. One of her asskissers at APN penned an editorial slamming John Lewis for refusing to endorse her...John Freaking Lewis. Constant lies have been told about Hank Johnson, that he is anti woman, that he is against the right to choose, that he loves Bush etc. That says nothing of what happened post 2002 and screams about the jews. Or her repeated threats to bolt the party. The latest coming from her father a few days ago.

So you know what? fuck them. I can support a good Democrat who will vote with the Democrats with having to deal with the crap. I did it with Denise Majette and she had a fine liberal voting record and I wish she had been able to win the Senate seat (a nearly suicidal election in which she was a big underdog). And the crap isn't McKinney's advocacy, its her martyrdom and self aggrandizement.

[klook]

41. He comes across as a doofus.

And I don't consider McKinney a "self aggrandizing ass" at all. I consider her a dedicated public servant and a fierce opponent of the Bush junta. And I hope she gets to keep on doing her current job.

[greccogirl]

53. It's a shame

that Denise went for a seat she had absolutely ZERO chance of winning and let Cynthia slip in there again to embarrass the entire party. Luckily that is going to be rectified tonight.

[Freddie Stubbs]

27. 100%? Did she vote against the Norwood amendment to the

Civil Rights Act which would have gutted the law?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2006/roll370.xml

She still hasn't explained why she was absent. I'm sure if she had a legitimate excuse she would have said so by now.

[LincolnMcGrath]

44. A doomed to fail amendment? Get real.

snip;
But when the House began voting on the afternoon of July 13, McKinney missed voting on the first amendment, offered by Rep. Charles Norwood (R-Ga.).

The House rejected Norwood’s amendment 96-318, (That is the doomed to fail part) as well as three other amendments; the bill passed 390-33. The Senate passed the measure 98-0.

Rep. Mel Watt (D-N.C.), chairman of the CBC, said focusing on a missed vote is “grasping at straws.”

Jackson Lee said she would continue to support McKinney


http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/072606/mckinney.html

Not that missing votes is a good thing ever, but It ain't like she stayed home for the Bankruptcy Bill like a certain Senator did.

[Karenina]

58. You now have what you want.

Viel Glück!

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[bemildred]

13. What is embarassing is the spineless weasels that support Bush, nt

[klook]

15. Hmmm...and just who runs this InsiderAdvantage?

Why, it's none other than Matt Towery, chairman of Newt Gingrich's political organization from 1992 until Gingrich left Congress. Towery, a former Republican Georgia state representative, currently heads InsiderAdvantage, described on the organization's website as a "polling and political information firm." Could Towery have any hidden agenda in publishing poll results that show McKinney trailing her opponent overall and neck-and-neck among Black voters? Naaahh -- I'm sure this poll is entirely on the up-and-up. :eyes:

[Donnachaidh]

22. thank you! I was wondering who was behind this garbage

I hate using cliches, but ole hank is playing Uncle Tom to the hilt. I watched that debate, and every single utterance out of his mouth was Rovian BS. This man should be ashamed of himself for even running.

And one of Newt's buddies running this *poll*? Please. I hope she nails these bastards to a wall.

Go Cynthia!

[Freddie Stubbs]

26. But doesn't that poll jive with the other which have been conducted?

A single poll is one thing, but when several polls conducted by different organizations show similar numbers reality becomes opponent.

[LincolnMcGrath]

45. The three in the news over the last 8-9 days were all InsiderAdvantage

Cynthia's numbers increased 18 points in that time frame also.

[RCinBrooklyn]

28. McKinney is a TRUE representative of the people, warts and all. n/t

[toopers]

29. If McKinney's loses, it is her own fault . . .

Her district is a democratic stronghold in Georgia, even with the redistricting. There are not enough repugs in the district to tilt the election against her if her base remains with her. The problem is that her base is moving away from her in this election.

[BooScout]

46. Bullshit.......

North Dekalb is a GOP stronghold and with the GOP bankrolling Johnson they are splitting the black vote. Her base has not moved away from her, the GOP is just up to the same old shit like they did with Denise Majette. Splitting the black vote just to get McKinney out because the GOP cannot stand for one damned person to have the guts to stand up to them in Congress.

And I know McKinney's base..........I lived in her district for 45 years.

[rinsd]

50. Are you aware of Majette's voting record while in Congress?

Did you have a problem with it?

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Denise_Majette.htm

I could see where some could have issue with her free trade votes but other than that looks like a solid liberal voting record.

[toopers]

51. You're right . . .

North DeKalb is a GOP stronghold. However, her district voted 2-1 for Kerry in the last election, and she won by a larger margin. I know her base, I am a part of it. If the base that supported her in the last election were still behind her, this race wouldn't be close.

[greccogirl]

56. I live here

too, and Mckinney has simply made people MAD. Many of her past supporters are turning out in droves to vote against her. That's just the facts of it. She's got no one to blame but herself.

[BooScout]

33. She's right about the Republican funding of Johnson....

He's being funded bigtime by the GOP. Anyone here who supports this type of politics needs to change parties as far as I am concerned.

[Freddie Stubbs]

34. The politics of hitting police officers has no place in this party

[BooScout]

36. Neither does harrassing women of color.....

White men just hate it like hell when black women stand up to their bullying.

[oasis]

38. Were you in the McKinney camp before the "cop" incident?

[BooScout]

42. I was.....I lived in her district .....

....for most of my life until last November when I moved overseas. I am a long time McKinney supporter. She's one politician who stands up for what she believes in......which is more than I can say for most politicians of either party these days. I have watched the press and the GOP crucify her for a long time now. She's long been the victim of a witch hunt.

I doubt the Freddie knows a tenth about what McKinney is all about politically.

[ramapo]

40. Forget impeachment

What a waste of time

[BooScout]

43. Why is impeachment of * a waste of time?

Have you given up the fight?

[ramapo]

49. Many reasons

1. It will not under any imaginable circumstance succeed

2. It would be incredibly devisive

3. It would make Democrats look like radical nuts who would do anything to get back at Republicans for what they did to Clinton.

4. If it succeeds, Cheney is PRESIDENT. You don't think things can get worse? Yes they can.

5. Bush is gone in two years + a bit anyway.

6. All energy should go towards electing Democrats. A Democratic Senate and House would do a lot more than a Bush impeachment.

7. A Bush impeachment would be emotionally satisfying. That is all.

[greccogirl]

57. Agreed. God I can't even imagine

Cheney president...............

[Sven77]

47. i think it would be a nice gesture

lets see how many "popular" warhawk Dems back her up. she has every reason to seek impeachment.

[GeorgiaDem69]

48. Hope she's gone

She's an embarrassment and has been since she was elected. She constantly whines and plays the race card and I'll be glad when she's gone.

[colinmom71]

59. Well, if it's true that Republicans were funding/supporting...

Johnson's campaign, it could backfire on them. Now that McKinney has nothing politically to lose, she's free to spend the remainder of her term working on an impeachment draft. Wouldn't that be a delicious bit of irony? Republican efforts to get rid of her puts her in the position of being able to persue getting rid of their once "golden boy"...

[Megahurtz]

60. Right.

Good luck to them on that one. It'll never happen.

[Tsiyu]

61. Do you know who she is? ("you" meaning every reader)

Really?

Or what she has done?

Care to find out, or do so many of you just want to keep talking out your asses about her?


She has done more for Veterans, rural Georgians and justice in Georgia than any other Dem.

Read for yourself, if you can stand reading the truth about someone whom many of you seem to never tire of trashing.


http://www.nwpc.org/ht/d/OfficialDetails/i/13699


http://www.wand.org/womenpol/mckinney.html



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