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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:09 PM
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(MEXICO) Court Recommends Rejecting Full Recount in Mexican Elections
From Associated Press via Wall Street Journal:

MEXICO CITY -- A majority of Mexico's top electoral court recommended Saturday rejecting the leftist party's request for a total recount, likely angering millions of supporters of candidate Andres Manuel López Obrador.

In the Federal Electoral Tribunal's first public session on the disputed July 2 presidential race, the judges left open the possibility that the court will order a partial recount. The court's seven magistrates must still vote on the recommendation. The tribunal, known here as the Trife, has until Sept. 6 to declare a president-elect or annul the elections.

--snip--


  The link above goes to a stub- while several national newspapers are covering this breaking story none are titled as honestly as the WSJ one. For those wishing a link to the whole story, try this one from Forbes or this one from the Houston Chronicle. Both of these are also based on the Associated Press article.

  This is a very important development! Now the ball, seemingly, is back in the court of Obrador and his supporters. It will not likely sit well with the 2+ MILLION protesters who are in Mexico City's zocalo and other strategic positions inside the city. It is arguable that there is something like a "soft" media blackout on this issue in The United States because, with millions of disenfranchised voters already set up inside Mexico City things could get...dicey.

  If you need to catch up to speed with the least amount of reading, I suggest this handy thread I started. It contains important information, dates, locations and significances. Still, it scratches the surface but should be useful.

  Finally, if you find this information useful, please consider kicking but most-importantly RECOMMENDING this thread. With the sheer number of threads on DU, many users have reduced or given up entirely on searching through the forums directly and instead spend much of their time on the Greatest Page. Recommending this thread will help bring this information to their attention.

PB

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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:16 PM
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1. All means of struggle are legitimate in this case.
There is no constitutional recourse in Mexico. The progressives must unite for a long, tough struggle.
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:18 PM
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30. You mean violence?
I hope that anybody who uses violence because they don't agree with an election result gets what's coming to them.
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. Would it be wrong to violently oppose a government
in the case of taxation without representation (I'm assuming that there are taxes in Mexico)?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:19 PM
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82. Should 60% then rise up against Obrador? They didn't vote for him (nt)
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #30
51. Sometimes, "what's coming to them" is a just system
Not always, but occasionally. Do remember how your country came into existence.
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Do you remember how the South seceded?
Personally, I don't agree with the American Revolution.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #52
71. So, we should have stayed hitched to Britain and King George?
Wow, got us a real live Tory here!
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SensibleAmerican Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #71
77. Well, do we have a real life Confederatist here?
n/t
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:19 PM
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2. Just saw the Yahoo article a minute ago it says "was rejected"
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 12:22 PM by karlrschneider
??

http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/mexico

editing: Yeah I see what you mean, so it's not a done deal apparently.
grrr
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:25 PM
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3. I feel safe in saying that they reported it incorrectly. The court has...
...NOT ruled yet. This is not a final ruling. They are holding their deliberations in the open which is very good for transparency. However, it does allow (specifically) American media to cherry-pick what they care to report from on-going deliberations and report it as some final disposition on the matter.

  I have checked both your link and Google News (which, now, have about twice as many carriers of the story than when I posted this a few minutes ago) and none of them identify this is a ruling except Yahoo.

PB
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:40 PM
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5. MSM coverage on this very important
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 12:41 PM by MrPrax
issue have been about as tasteless and slanted as the I/P/L coverage, especially in North America, where you would think that given the fact that Mexico is part of a trade pact, this would make the MSM approach this with a little more background.

But most is the elite propaganda that you have a RIGHT to VOTE only and stability and status quo will be preserved, regardless of the outcome. Most unfair in a system, any system, that THEN demands that it's citizens make the ultimate sacrifice to kill or be killed for 'democracy'. Even worst if you are going to base government actions on the legitimacy of fraudulent elections -- this is simply endorsing dictatorship and 'men with guns' as a form of government, which suits a free© press just fine.

Without democracy, there can be no expectation that there will be stability. The fraud was as flagrant as the Media's conscious attempts to ignore it and 'annoit' these pageants.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:49 PM
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7. Well-said! "The Chernobylity": the binary star system which is...
...composed of a ruling-elite and the defense industry which mutually orbit each other to the exclusion and subjugation of all else.

PB
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:21 PM
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20. Except the AP, not Yahoo. (nt)
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:31 PM
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4. According to El Universal, a recount of 50% of districts was ordered
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 12:32 PM by IndianaGreen
They only rejected a full recount! There are 300 districts and they are recounting in 149 of them. The question is where are these districts?

Ordena TEPJF recuento en 50% de distritos electorales

A partir del 9 de agosto, jueces y magistrados de distrito emprenderán el recuento en 149 distritos, tras desechar los argumentos de la coalición Por el Bien de Todos para contar el 100% de las casillas

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/366845.html
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 12:42 PM
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6. Thanks IG! Very, very much appreciated! n/t
PB
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. I like that spin--hopefully accurate-- much better.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:33 PM
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10. Prensa Latina in Cuba is saying about the same, only they say 173 district
After a month of post electoral conflict between the Por el Bien de Todos coalition and the National Action Party, the seven judges of that instance will revise the case of 173 electoral districts, where possible irregularities could have been committed.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID=%7BD80B7EBB-5F96-4FA7-B9DE-76558B2AF92A%7D)&language=EN
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:01 PM
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17. No, El Universal has now updated giving the final decision:
They will recount 11,839 'casillas', or voting-tables or boxes in 149 districts, at 26 locations. This represents 9.07% of the voting-tables, but we don't know yet what percentage of the votes this represents.

These are 149 districts selected 'on their merits' from 179 cases where irregularities had been documented and presented to the court. (Source 1 below).

Source 2. below describes López Obrador's supporters gathered in the Zocalo and surrounding streets as being extremely unhappy with this decision. They are awaiting López Obrador's appearance and speech due at 19:00 this evening (Mx time).

--> 1. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/366854.html
12:32 Por unanimidad los siete magistrados del Tribunal Electoral del Poder Judicial de la Federación (TEPJF) determinaron efectuar un nuevo escrutinio y cómputo en 11 mil 839 casillas (9.07 por ciento) de 149 distritos, ubicados en 26 entidades del país.

Para la jornada electoral del 2 de julio fueron instaladas 130 mil 437 casillas, ante lo cual las 11 mil 839, que representan el 9.07 por ciento.

La autoridad no ha dado de conocer el número estimado de votos que el recuento representará.

Lo anterior, fue resuelto tras dos horas de discusión, en la que se dieron a conocer los argumentos por los cuales fue rechazada la solicitud de la coalición para proceder al recuento total de los sufragios presidenciales.

El magistrado presidente, Leonel Castillo González, informó que tras el análisis y evaluación de 174 incidentes de previo y especial pronunciamiento, de ellos, 25 se consideraron infundados, seis debidamente fundados y 143 parcialmente fundados.

De esta revisión, finalmente se determinó un nuevo escrutinio y cómputo de 11 mil 839 casillas, cuyo proceso estará a cargo de jueces y magistrados del distrito, que serán designados por el Consejo de la Judicatura Federal.

Inicialmente, el tribunal informó que el recuento de votos presidenciales se realizará en 50% de los 300 distritos electorales en que se dividió el país para los comicios del pasado 2 de julio.

--> 2. http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/366860.html
Revientan perredistas ante fallo del Tribunal

Impiden la entrada y salida en las instalaciones de la sede del máximo órgano electoral; amenazan con mantener plantón frente a sede

13:30 Simpatizantes de la coalición Por el Bien de Todos bloquearon simbólicamente las entradas y salidas del Tribunal Electoral del Poder Judicial de la Federación (TEPJF) ubicado al Sur de la ciudad.

Luego de conocer el fallo del máximo órgano electoral del país que establece el recuento parcial de votos, manifestaron su desacuerdo y rechazo de la resolución.

"¡Vendidos!", "¡rateros!", "¡traidores!", "¡si no hay solución seguiremos el plantón!", fueron algunas de las consignas que los inconformes gritaron en las puertas del Tribunal electoral.

El luchador social Rayo de Esperanza aseguró que esperarán a las 19:00 horas el anuncio de Andrés Manuel López Obrador para conocer las medidas que asumirán luego de la resolución del Tribunal.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:17 PM
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19. Hmmm... Mexico could go the way of Bolivia
and that wouldn't be a bad thing for the workers and peasants, but very bad for the elites and the investor class.
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BrentWill4U Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #19
33. Yeah, nothing like going from poor..
to really, really, really, poor. As to why anyone would wish that Mexico turns into one of the poorest, poverty wreaked states in the world is beyond me.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #33
46. There you go again defending the elites
I guess is your military training shining thru and thru. My compliments to TRADOC on a fine job they have done!
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BrentWill4U Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:43 AM
Response to Reply #46
56. Assault on the man..
Instead of the argument. So honest. What about Bolivia should Mexico try to emulate? Is it the fact that they have an infant mortality rate of 51.77/1000, which puts them right above Zimbabwe. I mean Mexico has some work to do there. Only 20.66 babies die at birth there. Or is it the fact that there per capita GDP is $2,900 dollars, which ranks them right below Angola. Again, Mexico has alot of work. There GDP per Capita is $10,000. Or how about the fact that 64 percent of the population is under the poverty line, compared to 40 percent for Mexico. What about Bolivia should Mexico try to emulate?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:51 AM
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59. Try comparing the infant mortality rate in the US with Cuba.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:02 AM
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62. I love it
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 11:03 AM by gorbal
Here is an NYT opinion piece on the subject...

Here's a wrenching fact: If the U.S. had an infant mortality rate as good as Cuba's, we would save an additional 2,212 American babies a year.

Yes, Cuba's. Babies are less likely to survive in America, with a health care system that we think is the best in the world, than in impoverished and autocratic Cuba. According to the latest C.I.A. World Factbook, Cuba is one of 41 countries that have better infant mortality rates than the U.S.


More here...



http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/12/opinion/12kris.html?ex=1263272400&en=c7ea472ff9651976&ei=5090
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #62
66. Thanks for the info. Not that many people know about this.
Is it ignorance? Is it indifference? Is it both? Undoubtedly.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:52 AM
Response to Reply #59
64. Speak up, Brent! I can't hear you.... Louder! Are you a man
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 11:55 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
or a mouse! And I will NOT pass the cheese!
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BrentWill4U Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #59
69. Okay..
Infant Mortality Rate for the United State is 6.43/1000. The Infant mortality rate for Cuba is 6.22/1000. Practically the same. What is your point?
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #56
60. Bolivians can thank the 35 year presidency of right-wing oligarch
scum Alfredo Stroessner for that, can't they?

It wouldn't be honest to lay this problem at the feet of anyone else, as you, of course, know.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 12:23 PM
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67. Correction: the recent right-wing dictator of Bolivia is Hugo Banzer
Here he is, hugging fellow U.S.-supported right-wing beast/dictator Augusto Pinochet.



Here's his wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Banzer

Sorry, I get my tyrants mixed up!
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BrentWill4U Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #60
70. Okay.. why don't we tell the full story..
Below info is open source and not copyrighted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Bolivia

The Nationalist Revolutionary Movement (MNR) emerged from the ashes of the Chaco War in 1942 as a broad-based political coalition. It served in office as part of the military-civilain regime of Gualberto Villarroel (1943-46) but was deposed in 1946 by the mining oligarchy and the Partido Izquierda Revolucionario (PIR). Its members fled into exile and spent the next six years orginizing. The MNR emerged victorious in the 1951 elections, but the results were called fraudulent by the opposition, and its right to the presidency was denied. Denied its victory in the 1951 presidential elections, on 9 April 1952, the MNR led a successful revolt and set into motion the Bolivian National Revolution. Under President Víctor Paz Estenssoro and later, Hernan Siles, the MNR introduced universal adult suffrage, carried out a sweeping land reform, promoted rural education, and, in 1952, nationalized the country's largest tin mines.
Twelve tumultuous years of national reform left the country bitterly divided and in 1964, a military junta overthrew President Paz Estenssoro at the outset of his third term--an event that many assert brought an end to the National Revolution and marked the beginning of nearly 20 years of military rule in Bolivia. The 1969 death of President René Barrientos, a former member of the junta elected President in 1966, led to a succession of weak governments. A coup was led by the military, only to see a countercoup led by leftist Juan José Torres. The Gulf Oil was nationalized in 1969. Alarmed by public disorder, the military, the MNR, and others installed Col. (later General) Hugo Banzer Suárez as President in 1971. Banzer ruled with MNR support from 1971 to 1974. Then, impatient with schisms in the coalition, he replaced civilians with members of the armed forces and suspended political activities. The economy grew impressively during Banzer's presidency, but demands for greater political freedom undercut his support. His call for elections in 1978 plunged Bolivia into turmoil once again.

Elections in 1978, 1979, and 1980 were inconclusive and marked by fraud. There were coups, counter-coups, and caretaker governments. In 1980, Gen. Luis García Meza carried out a ruthless and violent coup. His government was notorious for human rights abuses, narcotics trafficking, and economic mismanagement. This led to a breakdown in relations with the U.S., which under both the Carter and Ronald Reagan administrations refused to recognize García's government due to its drug ties. <1> Later convicted in absentia for crimes, including murder, García Meza was extradited from Brazil and began serving a 30-year sentence in 1995.

After a military rebellion forced out García Meza in 1981, three other military governments in 14 months struggled with Bolivia's growing problems. Unrest forced the military to convoke the Congress elected in 1980 and allow it to choose a new chief executive. In October 1982--22 years after the end of his first term of office (1956-60)--Hernán Siles Zuazo again became President. Severe social tension, exacerbated by economic mismanagement and weak leadership, forced him to call early elections and relinquish power a year before the end of his constitutional term.

In the 1985 elections, the Nationalist Democratic Action Party (ADN) of Gen. Banzer won a plurality of the popular vote, followed by former President Paz Estenssoro's MNR and former Vice President Jaime Paz Zamora's Revolutionary Left Movement (MIR). But in the congressional run-off, the MIR sided with MNR, and Paz Estenssoro was chosen for a fourth term as President. When he took office in 1985, he faced a staggering economic crisis. Economic output and exports had been declining for several years.

Hyperinflation had reached an annual rate of 24,000%. Social unrest, chronic strikes, and unchecked drug trafficking were widespread. In 4 years, Paz Estenssoro's administration achieved economic and social stability. The military stayed out of politics, and all major political parties publicly and institutionally committed themselves to democracy. Human rights violations, which badly tainted some governments earlier in the decade, were not a problem. However, his remarkable accomplishments were not won without sacrifice. The collapse of tin prices in October 1985, coming just as the government was moving to reassert its control of the mismanaged state mining enterprise, forced the government to lay off over 20,000 miners. The highly successful shock treatment that restored Bolivia's financial system also led to some unrest and temporary social dislocation.

Although the MNR list headed by Gonzalo Sánchez de Lozada finished first in the 1989 elections, no candidate received a majority of popular votes and so in accordance with the constitution, a congressional vote determined who would be president. The Patriotic Accord (AP) coalition between Gen. Banzer's ADN and Jaime Paz Zamora's MIR, the second- and third-place finishers, respectively, won out. Paz Zamora assumed the presidency, and the MIR took half the ministries. Banzer's center-right ADN took control of the National Political Council (CONAP) and the other ministries.

Paz Zamora was a moderate, center-left President whose political pragmatism in office outweighed his Marxist origins. Having seen the destructive hyperinflation of the Siles Zuazo administration, he continued the neoliberal economic reforms begun by Paz Estenssoro, codifying some of them. Paz Zamora took a fairly hard line against domestic terrorism, personally ordering the December 1990 attack on terrorists of the Néstor Paz Zamora Committee (CNPZ--named after his brother who died in the 1970 Teoponte insurgency) and authorizing the early 1992 crackdown against the Tupac Katari Guerrilla Army (EGTK).

Paz Zamora's regime was less decisive against narcotics trafficking. The government broke up a number of trafficking networks but issued a 1991 surrender decree giving lenient sentences to the biggest narcotics kingpins. Also, his administration was extremely reluctant to pursue coca eradication, a whose leaves are consumed in vast quantities by much of the country's highland indigenous population. It did not agree to an updated extradition treaty with the US, although two traffickers have been extradited to the U.S. since 1992. Beginning in early 1994, the Bolivian Congress investigated Paz Zamora's personal ties to accused major trafficker Isaac Chavarria, who subsequently died in prison while awaiting trial. MIR deputy chief Oscar Eidwas was jailed in connection with similar ties in 1994; he was found guilty and sentenced to 4 years in prison in November 1996. Technically still under investigation, Paz Zamora became an active presidential candidate in 1996.

The 1993 elections continued the tradition of open, honest elections and peaceful democratic transitions of power. The MNR defeated the ADN/MIR coalition by a 34% to 20% margin, and the MNR's Sánchez de Lozada was selected as president by an MNR/MBL/UCS coalition in the Congress.

Sánchez de Lozada pursued an aggressive neoliberal economic and social reform agenda. He relied on a corrupt chain of entrepreneurs-turned-politicians like himself and on fellow veterans of the Paz Estenssoro administration (during which Sanchez de Lozada was planning minister). The most dramatic change undertaken by the Sanchez de Lozada government was the capitalization program, under which investors acquired 50% ownership and management control of public enterprises, such as the Yacimientos Petroliferos Fiscales Bolivianos (YPFB) oil-corporation, telecommunications system, electric utilities, and others. The reforms and economic restructuring were strongly opposed by certain segments of society, which instigated frequent social disturbances, particularly in La Paz and the Chapare coca-growing region, from 1994 through 1996.

In the 1997 elections, Gen. Hugo Banzer, leader of the ADN, won 22% of the vote, while the MNR candidate won 18%. Gen. Banzer formed a coalition of the ADN, MIR, UCS, and CONDEPA parties which hold a majority of seats in the Bolivian Congress. The Congress elected him as president and he was inaugurated on August 6, 1997.




Between January and April 2000, a series of anti-privatization protests took place in Cochabamba, because of the privatization of the municipal water supply that activists charge was forced by the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. The Bolivian government declared martial law, killing several people, arresting protest leaders and shutting down radio stations, but after continued disturbances and civic pressure, the government finally rolled back the privatization on April 10 <1>. "Water nowadays is available only four hours a day and no new households have been connected to the supply network."<2>

President Hugo Banzer resigned in August 2001, due to lung cancer. He was succeeded by his vice-president, Jorge Quiroga.

In the 2002 elections, Sánchez de Lozada ran again, and narrowly beat NFR's Manfred Reyes Villa and the cocalero and indigenous leader Evo Morales of the Movement Toward Socialism (MAS) party, on an election tainted by clear signs of electoral fraud. During the vote count the power supply was shut down mysteriously to the CNE (National Electoral Court), when power supply was restored Sanchez de Lozada appeared as the winner of this mysterious election.

Several days before Bolivians went to the voting booths, the U.S. ambassador, Manuel Rocha, warned the Bolivian electorate that if they voted for Morales the US would cut off foreign aid and close its markets to the country. Morales nonetheless received nearly 21% of the vote, putting him only a couple points behind Sánchez de Lozada.

A 4-year economic recession, tight fiscal situation, and longstanding ethnic tensions created in February 2003 a police revolt that nearly toppled the government of President Sanchez de Lozada; several days of unrest left more than 30 persons dead. The government stayed in power but remained unpopular. Standard & Poors downgraded the debt of Bolivia.

An increasingly divisive conflict has been the Bolivian Gas War, a dispute over the exploitation of Bolivia's large natural gas reserves in the south of the country.

Strikes and blockades erupted in September and October of 2003, with several deaths and dozens of injuries in confrontations with the armed forces. Sánchez de Lozada resigned under pressure from protesters fleeing the country to the United States where he hides from several trials against him including genocide; and his vice-president, Carlos Mesa, took over in 2003 with a promise to address the demands of the protesting majority. However, he resigned on 7 March 2005 in face of mounting protests, claiming he was unable to continue governing the country. This was not the end of the Mesa government, as a number of resignation threats were still to come.

Finally, as a consequence to very deep social unrest in May-June 2005 and in a series of political manoeuvres, Mesa tendered again his resignation. In a hastily convened session of the Parliament in Sucre, amidst violence leading to one death in unclear circumstances, and after the President of the Senate and the President of the Deputies waived their succession rights, Mr. Eduardo Rodríguez Veltzé - the President of the Supreme Court - became president on the night of June 9, 2005. According to some, a coup led by Mesa himself was narrowly averted that night.

Political agreements were reached to modify the Constitution, and allow the full renewal of Parliament, simultaneously with the mandated Presidential Election, through elections on December 4, 2005. These elections will also include, as a first, the election of Prefects who are the top authority of the 9 Departments.

The deterioration of the political system is leading to the death of traditional political forces, including the parties ADN (of former President Hugo Banzer), MIR (of former President Jaime Paz Zamora), and MNR (of former Presidents Victor Paz Estenssoro and Gonzalo Sánchez de Losada). This death lead to the surge of a loose confederation of indigenous social movements (MAS) with Evo Morales as leader. In the elections of December 2005 Evo Morales and MAS obtained a crushing win reaching 54% of the electorate's votes, becoming the first Native Bolivian president in history.

In March 2006, president Evo Morales announced in Santa Cruz the increase of the minimum wage by 50%. As it is currently fixed at 440 bolivianos (45 euros), it would then increase to 660 bolivianos (67 euros). However, Evo said it should be increased 100% <2>. However, six Bolivians workers in every ten are part of the informal economy, thus limiting the extent of such a legally mandated increase in wages <3>.

On May 1, 2006, Evo Morales announced that he had signed a decree nationalizing most of Bolivia's natural gas fields, which many indigenous Bolivians had demanded for years. Federal troops were sent in to occupy the gas fields and take back control from foreign companies that same day. Many were operated by Petrobras, Brazil's largest energy company, and this political development was expected to strain relations between Morales and Brazilian president Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #56
61. Bolivia has recently come under new management
Last years statistics don't apply, I'm afraid we'll have to take a wait and see approach with reguards to Bolivia.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 08:20 PM
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76. This was because the people that our military defends were in power
in Bolivia. No more! The election of Evo Morales will bring about a shift in the power from the greedy elites to the majority of Bolivians, much as it is happening in Venezuela under the Chaevz Administration.
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:23 PM
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21. BTW I read here that López Obrador's people formally questioned the count
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 03:27 PM by Ghost Dog
at 31,336 voting-tables ('casillas') and actually presented evidence of irregularities at 70,000. This was 'part two'of their case. 'part one' requested a full recount of all votes at all voting tables. The court has given 5 days to recount the 11,839 casillas specified.

--> http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/08/05/003n1pol.php
Además, porque esta fuerza política ha presentado pruebas y argumentos en torno a irregularidades y "conductas atípicas" detectadas en poco más de 70 mil casillas, aun cuando presentó impugnaciones en 31 mil 336 mesas receptoras del voto. También sustenta su optimismo en los requisitos que han solicitado los magistrados a los consejos distritales, respecto a los paquetes que los representantes de la coalición pidieron su apertura pero les fue negada en el contexto de los cómputos distritales.

(edit: It looks like we have to wait a while for full coverage from La Jornada on this...)
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:11 PM
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23. "En" but not "de". n/t
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:40 PM
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25. Hand count? Vote for Vote? Your question is critical:
Do the districts chosen for recount lean for Obrador? Or Calderon?

:shrug:
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 05:41 PM
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29. Good questions. The Tribunal's sentence is not yet publishd on their site,
Edited on Sat Aug-05-06 06:08 PM by Ghost Dog
but you can read the list of districts where results were challened by López Obrador's people (COALICIÓN "POR EL BIEN DE TODOS" - Coalition "For Everyone's Wellbeing") at the official site here: http://www.trife.gob.mx/todo.asp?menu=12 - these districts (not all of which may have been selected in the sentence) are in summary located in the following Mexican States:

"Respecto a los 175 incidentes de "previo y especial pronunciamiento" (dentro de los cuales procedería la apertura total o parcial de paquetes), éstos corresponden a distritos ubicados en diversas entidades:

Jalisco y Veracruz, con 17 incidentes cada uno; Distrito Federal, 14; Michoacán, Nuevo León y estado de México, 11 en cada uno; Baja California y Chiapas, ocho cada uno; Chihuahua y Sonora, siete; San Luis Potosí, seis; Guanajuato, cinco; Zacatecas, Coahuila y Durango, cuatro en cada uno; Querétaro, Aguascalientes y Yucatán, tres cada una; Quintana Roo, Tamaulipas, Colima, Campeche y Morelos, dos en cada uno, y uno en Guerrero." - http://www.jornada.unam.mx/2006/08/05/003n1pol.php

BUT please be aware that while these 149 are nearly 50% of the 300 electoral districts, only the votes from a few actual polling-places - some 9% (11,839) of the total (131,400) - will be recounted, apparently by hand and under the direction of judges and magistrates from the districts ("cuyo proceso estará a cargo de jueces y magistrados del distrito, que serán designados por el Consejo de la Judicatura Federal.").

Until we can see the actual text of the resolution, it's hard to say more. I did see an earlier suggestion that the Tribunal could order only partial recounts ... but my impression so far is that full recounts have been ordered at these places (always assuming that the genuine ballots are to be found! - some have apparantly turned up in the trash) - and yes, sure, they should be hand-counts. These are hand-marked ballots, I understand.

--> The above gleaned from a scan of the net, especially from La Jornada, El Universal and the Electoral Tribunal.

--> Post Datum: Further details coming in:

http://www.jornada.unam.mx:3128/en-jalisco-se-recontaran-2-mil-705-casillas-y-mil-138-en-baja-california/

Luego de que el Tribunal Electoral del Poder Judicial de la Federación (TEPJF) ordenó el recuento parcial de votos de la elección presidencial del 2 de julio pasado, se dio a conocer que Jalisco, Baja California y Tamaulipas, tres estados donde el Partido Acción Nacional (PAN) registró más votos en la elección presidencial, son las entidades donde más casillas serán revisadas.

En Jalisco serán revisadas dos mil 705 casillas, mientras que en Baja California se abrirán mil 138 paquetes electorales. Les sigue Tamaulipas con 942.

En dichas entidades, el PAN registró más votos en la elección presidencial. Sin embargo, en Veracruz, donde la coalición Por el Bien de Todos tuvo más sufragios, serán revisadas 396 casillas.

Entre las 26 entidades donde habrá revisión de casillas también se encuentran Aguascalientes, Campeche, Chiapas, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Colima, Distrito Federal, Durango, Estado de México y Guanajuato, así como Guerrero, Michoacán, Morelos, Nuevo León, Puebla, Querétaro, Quintana Roo, San Luis Potosí, Sinaloa, Sonora, Veracruz, Yucatán y Zacatecas.

En cuanto al número de distritos que serán sometidos a revisión, Jalisco y Veracruz tienen 17, seguidos por el Distrito Federal con 13. El Estado de México y Nuevo León tienen 11, y Michoacán, 10.


Translation:

Since the Electoral Tribunal ordered a partial recount of votes in the presidential election of the 2nd of July, it has become known that Jalisco, Baja California and Tamaulipas, three states where the Partido Acción Nacional (PAN - Calderón) received more votes in the presidential election, are the states where most voting-tables or now '(sealed) packs of votes' (casillas) will be recounted.

In Jalisco 2,705 casillas will be recounted, while in Baja California 1,138 packs of votes will be opened. These are followed by Tamaulipas wth 942.

In these sates, the PAN received more votes in the presidential election. However, en Veracruz, where the Por el Bien de Todos coalition (López Obrador) had more voters, 396 casillas will be recounted.

Among the 26 states where casillas will be recounted are also Aguascalientes, Campeche, Chiapas, Chihuahua, Coahuila, Colima, Distrito Federal, Durango, Estado de México y Guanajuato, as well as Guerrero, Michoacán, Morelos, Nuevo León, Puebla, Querétaro, Quintana Roo, San Luis Potosí, Sinaloa, Sonora, Veracruz, Yucatán and Zacatecas.

In terms of the number of districts where there will be recounts, Jalisco and Veracruz have 17, followed by the Distrito Federal (Mexico City) with 13. The Estado de México (Mexico State) and Nuevo León have 11, and Michoacán, 10.



--> Since these are all or mostly cases where López Obrador's coalition have formally challenged the count, the results ought to be at least somewhat favorable to the desired outcome, one would think?
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #25
37. paper votes? DRE's?
What percentage of these voting places were electronic?

i shrug too...
:shrug:
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 09:43 PM
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40. Mexico is all paper. The votes could all be recounted - the question
in my mind is to what extent Calderon's team has had to alter the contents of the ballot boxes.

:(
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 07:30 PM
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75. what about?...
Calderon's brother-in-law who supposedly wrote vote counting software for this election?

glad to hear it's all paper though...

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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 11:11 AM
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81. Calderon's brother-in-law wrote the vote *tallying* software...
As precincts (casillas) reported their results, the values were entered into software written by Calderon's brother-in-law to be reported to the public and displayed graphically and so forth. There could easily have been a malfunction or cheating in the tallying of the votes.

With electronic voting machines one software rountine counts votes - 1,2,3 - as voters enter their choices. Then, at the end of the day, the total for each machine is transferred to the central tabulator, which tallies the votes - adds together the votes from all machines.

Malfunction or malfeasance could occur when voters press buttons to choose candidates, when votes on the machine are totaled at the end of the day, or when votes from the machines are all added together on the central tabulator. The fact that errors can (and have) occurred at all of the these stages - that is why we are vulnerable.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-07-06 12:26 PM
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83. thank you for clearing that up. n/t
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 01:07 PM
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9. K&R. Viva Obrador.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:02 PM
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11. Oh boy - what next, do you guys think? (n/t)
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:08 PM
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12. Depends on the districts they picked
It is really too early to tell.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:10 PM
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13. Not sure but whatever it is and almost how bad it might get you won't...
...be hearing about it in the mainstream media or if so, only in passing. If Fox can keep his dick in his pants and keep relations with the police/military and the protesters (all 2+ MILLION of them) amicable then things have a chance of working out peaceably. But Fox openly supports Calderon and since the protesters are slowing Mexico City down, purposefully (for instance barring entrance to the Mexican Stock Exchange, IIRC for a few hours a day or two ago), he might be tempted to "crack down" in some capacity.

  The protesters, as of a few days ago, were arriving in numbers of 200,000 per day. I have read things (which unfortunately I don't have the links for) which indicate that many of Mexico's poor or those who also have a grievance with the Mexican government are also showing up. In other words, there are some ways of looking at this which indicate not just a protest by Obrador supporters putting pressure on TRIFE, but protesting Fox's cultural, economic and military policies, by which they have been shafted.

  So there's possibly a duality here of what's going on...maybe several levels of protest going on at once.

PB
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:26 PM
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14. A hand recount of 50% would probably be enough to uncover
FRAUD if the districts were chosen ar random, and included several strong Obrador districts.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:38 PM
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15. K/R
NT!

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 02:59 PM
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16. UPDATE- Indications of possible civil unrest after partial recount ordered
Mexico orders partial recount in presidential vote

Ok, bear with me...I can only excerpt a few paragraphs because of "fair use" laws so I'm going to show you what I think is the most important part of this article, which is the response to the partial recount from Obrador's supporters:

--snip--
Screaming "Traitors!," dozens of leftist protesters blocked the entrance of the electoral court after its judges announced their decision on Saturday. "Without a solution, there'll be revolution," they shouted.

Lopez Obrador says the vote was rigged and that he would not accept a partial recount, raising fears of prolonged public unrest. His supporters shut down central Mexico City all week and are threatening to extend the protests.

"Not just a small part of the vote returns, we want all the polls re-opened," Lopez Obrador told thousands of supporters on Friday night in the capital's vast Zocalo square.

Although the electoral court could still order many more ballot boxes opened, some protesters warned of violence after the electoral court's ruling.

"We are not going to allow this. We want all the polling stations, all 130,000. They are closing the path to democracy and the only thing left to us will be violence because we are not going to back down," said Pilar Saavedra, a university office worker.

--snip--


PB
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #16
18. The BBC has this (and see #17 above):
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5249276.stm

<snip>

The electoral tribunal ordered the recount of votes at 11,839 of the country's almost 130,500 polling stations.

In Mexico City's central Zocalo square, thousands of Mr Lopez Obrador's supporters chanted "Vote-by-vote!" as they watched the tribunal's session on a huge screen.

Protesters blocked the entrance to the tribunal, after the decision was announced. "If there is no solution, there'll be revolution," they shouted.

Representatives of Mr Lopez Obrador walked out of the tribunal's session in protest.

Mr Lopez Obrador has challenged the election result, saying the vote was rigged. He has said he will not accept a partial recount, raising fears of prolonged public unrest.

/...
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 05:29 PM
Response to Reply #18
28. Thank you! n/t
PB
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 03:50 PM
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22. This court is now open for bribes.
I hope Obrador has some cash under the mattress. :(
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JimDandy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:18 PM
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24. K&R
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 04:53 PM
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26. The thieves are following the Florida model exactly.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 05:28 PM
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27. Fools! Why don't they do the full recount, as is obviously needed?
Because it will show what was done--the level of fraud?

Because their precious Corporate State is so important to them? A corporate state can't operate without maids, and cooks, and garbage men, and waiters, and teachers, and all the people who hold everything together for these exploiters and greedbags!

Good luck to them padding their pockets with Mexico SHUT DOWN!

Fools! Fools! They should have compromised, fully recounted, Lopez Obrador wins, and gone for a mixed socialist/capitalist economy, with a strong component of social justice, as is working throughout Latin America, in the OTHER leftist revolutions which have been almost entirely peaceful. The trouble in Bolivia over Bechtel (bad actors!) was resolved when Bechtel had to withdraw, and the first indigenous president of Bolivia, Evo Morales, was elected. Now the corporatists can dicker with Morales. These new leftist leaders in Latin America are not doctrinaire. They are DEMOCRATICALLY elected. They understand the necessity and value of business and trade. They are populists and seem to be wise leaders. They want the best for everyone--and some equity and fairness for the vast, oppressed, poor population, so long abused and un-served by government. They approve of national and international trade, and creative enterprises; they oppose global corporate predation.

Well, you can be sure the Bushites are busy south of the border! They want class war. They can't wait to treat us like they've treated the Iraqis. Let's hope that Mexico's revolutionary tradition holds firm, and that the government--corporate schmucks that they are--compromise for the common good of the country. What stupids they have been! Fascism and stupidity are expected here. Things are a little different in Mexico. As Evo Morales has said, "The time of the people has come"--and everybody knows it.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:23 PM
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31. Partial recount is official, and..
.. Lopez Obrador and his followers do not accept that.

Mexico full poll recount rejected

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5249276.stm

QUOTE
Mr Lopez Obrador has challenged the election result, saying the vote was rigged.

He has said he will not accept a partial recount, raising fears of prolonged public unrest.

Hundreds of thousands of people in Mexico have been holding rallies to support Mr Obrador.

Mr Calderon says his victory was irreversible, and his conservative National Action Party has described Mr Lopez Obrador's claims as "schizophrenic".

The dispute has paralysed Mexican politics, correspondents say.
UNQUOTE
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Ghost Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:25 PM
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32. López Obrador now says will state his position tomorrow
as regards the Electoral Tribunal's decision. But says "we do not agree", because they wanted all votes recounted.

--> http://www.jornada.unam.mx:3128/amlo-fijara-manana-su-postura-en-manifiesto-rechazo-a-la-decision-del-tepjf
Andrés Manuel López Obrador, candidato de la coalición Por el Bien de Todos, informó que mañana dará a conocer su postura respecto a la decisión del Tribunal Electoral del Poder Judicial de la Federación (TEPJF) de ordenar el recuento parcial de los votos emitidos el pasado 2 de julio.

"No estamos de acuerdo" con esta decisión, porque la coalición Por el Bien de Todos demandó de manera clara que se contara la totalidad de los votos de los comicios presidenciales, sostuvo.
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ozone_man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:34 PM
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34. A partial recount is absurd.
I can't believe how such a decision could be made, unless it was made by those afraid of what a full recount might reveal. Hold out for the full recount.
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:40 PM
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44. Rhymes with partially pregnant
And please say that to yourself again slowly, that 'I cannot believe' part. Always remember when comes to crooks anything is probable :shrug:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:43 PM
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35. They'll try to sweep it under the rug if they are pressed to the max.
There's no way will the rigid power structure willingly let real democracy gain the upper hand.

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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 07:51 PM
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36. It means a decision whether the Mexicans fight for freedom
or they accept a dictator ship

this is where America is slowly slipping too anarchy...

Conservatives push it to the extreme///
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 09:01 PM
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38. UPDATE - (Speech by Obrador Saturday night)
Lopez Obrador will continue protests despite ruling to limit recount

MEXICO CITY - Defeated presidential candidate Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador vowed to continue his campaign of protests Saturday night after his petition for a total vote recount of the tight July 2 election was rejected by an electoral tribunal.

Speaking to several thousand supporters packed into the capital's historic square, the Zocalo, Lopez Obrador said he would announce specific measures Sunday morning.

The leftist former Mexico City mayor may call on followers to march through the city or stage sit-ins and blockades of strategic points, such as airports and highways.


"We have to keep resisting and struggling," he said to thunderous cheers and pumping fists of his supporters. "We are going to continue with our peaceful resistance movement. We do not want a privileged group treating the government as their service committee."

--snip--

The recount is scheduled to begin Wednesday and must be completed by the following Monday. The tribunal has until Sept. 6 to certify results of the election or order a new vote.

Lopez Obrador's supporters, many of whom come from Mexico's lower classes, started to mobilize as word of the tribunal's decision circulated.


PB
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #38
43. He's right ... Let the mexican people
regain their country from the thieves who stole it

America may need to do the same thing...
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 10:50 PM
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41. Those who vote decide nothing, those who count votes decide everything
I believe this was a quote from Joseph Stalin.

Clearly, we now observe the classic dilemma facing all democracies. When an election is "stolen" by those in power, who operate the apparatus which tallies the tainted vote, do you "accept" the decision or do you overthrow those in power because they lack the "legitimacy" bestowed by the governed at the polls?

Sounds a lot like the situation surrounding our own country's Declaration of Independence.

Can an illegitimate government stand just because it proclaims it is on the side of democratic rule?

I think we will see at least one answer to this question by watching events unfolding in Mexico. Obviously a very large percentage of the voting populace does not bestow "legitimacy" upon the Calderon Administration to come after Sept 6. In that case, can Calderon govern a divided country as a democratic leader?

And what role will the US Republican/Neocons play in shoring up the Calderon position, just like they supported GWB in Florida?

This could get very interesting real fast ..... and then the MSM will have to come up with a story to go with the pictures they have been avoiding.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:14 PM
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42. KICK
#9 #9 #9...
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lostinacause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:43 PM
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45. There's nothing like mob violence to destroy a country.
Obrador should not be seen as a hero.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-05-06 11:47 PM
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47. We should have done in 2000 what Obrador is now doing
In taking to the streets and demanding a full recount we would have saved 2,600 American lives in Iraq, and spared the lived of hundreds of thousands of civilians killed, wounded, or displaced by American aggression.
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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 12:51 AM
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50. I'm with you, they camped out in tents!
we need to learn from them, although it looks like they are getting the runaround anyway. The similarites in what happened here make me wonder who is running things in their country ?
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 12:16 AM
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48. There's nothing like assholes running a country to destroy it.
:shrug:
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 12:27 AM
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49. There's nothing like a crooken president to destroy a country.
Social upheaval and bloodshed in the short term cannot be discounted as less-harmful to a country in the long term than the establishment of a crooked conservative goverment. The lesser of two evils, literally.

PB
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nolabels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:29 PM
Response to Reply #45
80. Any action that destroys thievery, corruption, and skull duggery........
that enslaves others sounds good to me.

It's all just a matter of who's ox is getting gored
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mdelaguna2000 Donating Member (300 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 06:32 AM
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53. So glad to see a leader (Obrador) willing to stand up
With a .6 margin for Calderon, this situation totally merits a recount if they expect Mexican voters to have faith in their democracy. The potential for errors with such a small margin seems great - if they did a full recount and confirmed this margin it would only strengthen Calderon's support.

Given the known corruption in relatively recent (and long term) Mexican political history (perhaps in contrast to our unknown corruption), Mexico still has much convincing to do in order for its voters to truly have faith that their choice is truly counted.

A partial recount only makes it look like those in power wish to remain so at any cost. Thank goodness there is a leader willing to stand up against such a stacked deck - and take all of the flack that comes with it. The sacrifice Obrador is making could potentially, ultimately, have major consequences for the electoral problems here in the U.S.

Voters in the U.S. should be taking serious notes (as should our political candidates).
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sagesnow Donating Member (311 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 07:32 AM
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54. K 'n R andThanks for this update,,,
MSM doesn't keep up with this ongoing story- I was beginning to think Obrador supporters had given up since the story had just gone into the memory hole.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:10 AM
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57. Lots of us have been checking daily for more news. Our news people
here apparently have decided Americans shouldn't worry their "pretty little heads" about what some ole' foreigners off in another country are doing about a crooked election, because we've been getting zip!

It has been almost a complete news blackout, as you know. It's blatant. They probably believe there's nothing we can do about it if we don't like it.
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In Truth We Trust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:07 AM
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55. Want Democracy back??? Paper ballots and HAND COUNTS NOW!!! n/t
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 05:14 PM
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72. Isnt that what they use in Mexico?
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 10:34 AM
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58. Has Obrador made a statement yet, today (Sunday)?
If you know, please post a link or whatever info you've got. I'm really interested to know where he's going to take this...

PB
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:08 AM
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63. Mexico City Sit-in Has the Air of a Fiesta
Mexico City Sit-in Has the Air of a Fiesta
Entertainment and free food enliven the protest calling for a recount of the votes. But some say a backlash is forming against Lopez Obrador.
By Sam Enriquez, Times Staff Writer
August 5, 2006

~snip~
But Fox can't intervene in Mexico City without a request from Mayor Alejandro Encinas, a Lopez Obrador ally. The Democratic Revolution Party, which Lopez Obrador leads, controls City Hall and has lent workers, money and materials for the encampments. Volunteers brought the rest.
(snip)

There are pingpong tables, portable TVs, volleyball nets, chess sets, dominoes and cards. Makeshift kitchens are set up every few hundred yards. Some of the many portable toilets are labeled, "Calderon's office." A boxing ring features wrestling matches and classes for kids. Movies are shown at night. Children make handicrafts.

Live music includes traditional son jarocho, as well as Irish and heavy-metal. Balloons hang from tarps and tents. Volunteers busy themselves painting signs and clipping news stories and photos of Lopez Obrador that they paste on sheets of butcher paper for display. Doctors staff medical tents.

"A lot of us still have to work so we come here to sleep, others are taking their vacation or are teachers and have this time off," said Carolina Romero, 34. "The tribunal has to bring certainty to the country and if they don't count the votes again, we'll have a president without legitimacy."
(snip/...)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-camp5aug05,1,156692.story?coll=la-headlines-world
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 11:57 AM
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65. K&R for Democracy. Maybe the U.S. can sit up and pay attention.
:patriot:
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gorbal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 03:07 PM
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68. Here is the best article I have read on WHY they want a recount-
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 03:08 PM by gorbal
Here's a snippet from the AlterNet article-

The PRD's strongest case for a recount comes from the fact that ballots in almost one-third of the country were not counted in the presence of independent observers. One analysis of IFE results found that there were 2,366 polling places where only a PAN observer was present. In these districts, Calderón beat López Obrador by a whopping 71-21 margin.

Other elements of PRD's legal challenge include documentation of several ballot boxes found in dumps in the PRD stronghold of México City. They also point to evidence such as the nonpartisan Civic Alliance's report documenting 17 polling sites in PAN-dominated Nuevo León, Michoacan and Querétaro, where the number of votes cast vastly exceeded the number of registered voters at a site.



More good reading here-


http://www.alternet.org/story/39763/
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 06:07 PM
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73. This is an important bit of information. Thanks for the link. n/t
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drduffy Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 07:26 PM
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74. Obrador is heroic....
Edited on Sun Aug-06-06 07:26 PM by drduffy
and those who stand with him. What they desire is that same as Brad and Velvet Revolution and the DNC wish in San Diego. The Mexicans are willing to stand up to power. That is heroic. I wish as many Americans were heroic. But they watch TV and get fat and distracted and cannot be bothered. Pah. They eat too much, drive too much, use too much and take from the rest of the world... And, boys and girls, that is about to end.

edited for spelling
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:27 PM
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78. Well we KNEW that would be their answer, didn't we?
Appointed judges serve their masters well :(
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-06-06 09:47 PM
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79. To late to Rec but I'll Kick
:kick:
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